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Which PG Move is best for us?

Poll ended at Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:17 pm

Stand pat with Bibby/Jamal/Teague
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Trade for Chauncey Billups (Costing Crawford, luxury tax and likely a pick)
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7%
Trade for Jose Calderon (Costing Bibby and Zaza, but no picks or tax)
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20%
Trade for Steve Nash (Costing multiple #1s and Crawford)
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73%
 
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Post#21 » by CALPURNIA » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:40 am

I believe that Calderón offers far better legs than those of Nash.
Calderón, when healthy, is a good defender. He may be is not so flashy with his passes, but sets up the offense, knows when to run and when not and does not care about getting his baskets.

Compared to Harris, Calderón is a much better shoter and his carachteristics make him a good penetrator.

We could not afford to lose Bibby's shots and replace him with Harris. He does not shoot at all.
Also Calderón would be much less expensive.

Calderón would add a little bit more to what we lack in order to improve as a team.
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Post#22 » by parson » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:36 pm

Harris is a better PG than Bibby; if we played him, his other assets would come to the fore.
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Post#23 » by evildallas » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:36 am

After the game in Toronto I firmly believe it worth the added cost to go after Nash.
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Post#24 » by Master8492 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:52 am

Lots of good choices. I'd be fine with either of them. I like Calderon because he's young; he can lead an offense which this team lack and he can hit the three. I like Billups because of his defense and three point and big shot ability. Adding Nash to this offense means Phoenix suns part 2 with interior defense. All of them give the Hawks that missing leader on offense. Problem is Billups and Nash are 36 years old. Will they have anymore in the tank?

I think we buy Calderon while his stock is low; I remember his stock is pretty high when the Raptors were in the playoffs hunt.

But then again adding Nash give you that superstar which can make Atl relevant to the fans.
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Post#25 » by killbuckner » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:06 pm

It would obviously be nash for the price listed- but I think in reality it would take far more to get Nash.

Of what I think are realistic options I'd go after Billups.
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Post#26 » by theatlfan » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:56 pm

CALPURNIA wrote:Calderón, when healthy, is a good defender. He may be is not so flashy with his passes, but sets up the offense, knows when to run and when not and does not care about getting his baskets.

Problem is that Calderon hasn't been healthy in several years. He tore his hamstring (I think it was during the '08-'09 season) and hasn't had near the athleticism he had before the injury. That injury also coincided with his drop from being one of the best FT shooters in the history of the NBA to a smidge below average. He obviously doesn't have the legs he did before the injury. Now, he's got another fairly significant injury to his leg (ankle?) that means he's a game time decision every night.

Still, due to cost, I'd think that Calderon offers the best combination of favorable deal to upgrade @ PG. It's hard to project what PHX is looking for in return for Nash or what - well.... - whoever is looking for in regards to either Billups or D Harris, but we don't really have the contracts that match up with either player without opening a hole somewhere or mortgaging much of the future that we'll need since we'll be up against the LT with JJ's contract. In effect, trading for one of those 2 would prolly mean that we'll have to dump one of JJ, Smoove, or Horford in 2-3 years. Either the added salary would be cost prohibitive or the fact that we can't add cheap talent through the draft would mean that the team would stagnate more than what's going on today.
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Post#27 » by ballislife » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:48 am

Calderon + Kleiza for Bibby + Williams?

You guys would get better shooting in the lineup while getting younger overall... Williams becomes more of a focal point in Toronto's uptempo offense.
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Post#28 » by #1 pick » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:14 am

Master8492 wrote:Lots of good choices. I'd be fine with either of them. I like Calderon because he's young; he can lead an offense which this team lack and he can hit the three. I like Billups because of his defense and three point and big shot ability. Adding Nash to this offense means Phoenix suns part 2 with interior defense. All of them give the Hawks that missing leader on offense. Problem is Billups and Nash are 36 years old. Will they have anymore in the tank?

I think we buy Calderon while his stock is low; I remember his stock is pretty high when the Raptors were in the playoffs hunt.

But then again adding Nash give you that superstar which can make Atl relevant to the fans.

Caldy sucks man. I don't understand why Hawks fans don't understand that. That's like trading for Hakim Warrick because we need a PF. We need an upgrade but Caldy not it.
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Post#29 » by ballislife » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:47 am

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Master8492 wrote:Lots of good choices. I'd be fine with either of them. I like Calderon because he's young; he can lead an offense which this team lack and he can hit the three. I like Billups because of his defense and three point and big shot ability. Adding Nash to this offense means Phoenix suns part 2 with interior defense. All of them give the Hawks that missing leader on offense. Problem is Billups and Nash are 36 years old. Will they have anymore in the tank?

I think we buy Calderon while his stock is low; I remember his stock is pretty high when the Raptors were in the playoffs hunt.

But then again adding Nash give you that superstar which can make Atl relevant to the fans.

Caldy sucks man. I don't understand why Hawks fans don't understand that. That's like trading for Hakim Warrick because we need a PF. We need an upgrade but Caldy not it.


As a starter In 21 games this season Calderon is averaging 12.5 ppg, 10.1 apg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 spg, 50% fg, and 80% ft and hes 28 y/o... He has one of the top a/to ratios in the league. Hakim Warrick isn't remotely close to Calderon in any way at his position. Calderon is looking to be traded because Toronto's in a rebuilding mode, he may as well go somewhere where he can win now. His asking price isn't that high and he's a solid playmaker who can hit shots at a very good percentage... I personally think he'd be a perfect fit in atl as the starting PG with Teague backing him up... If you guys got a serviceable center (possibly prying Haywood away from Dallas), you guys would be legit contenders in the East.
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Post#30 » by dms269 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:27 am

I think we all know what Calderon can do. Yes he is a good assist guy with low turnovers and is a decent enough scorer. That being said he has some huge drawbacks. He is not a good defender. With a team with Crawford on it already, can we really afford to have a bad defender starting? I also don't think he is as good of a shooter as Bibby. Then there is his contract which is a huge negative.

I don't think trading for a Calderon or a Mo Williams is the answer to solve all of our problems. Are they good? Yes. Are they huge upgrades over Bibby? I don't think so.
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