ATL/DAL: Joe for Terry

[Branduil]

I don't think the Mavs will be interested in Joe Johnson unless the Hawks are willing to take Haywood back.

[Harry10]

I don't think the Mavs will be interested in Joe Johnson unless the Hawks are willing to take Haywood back.

Hawks would be okay with Joe and Zaza (3 years) for Terry, Haywood (6 years), and pick

[Ruhiel]

Move Smith and Marvin then why would Dwight and CP3 come here? To play with Horford?

You lost me when you suggested Howard and Paul would come to Atlanta. Not getting that part.

Am I the only one who saw this? It's from the AJC - Orlando Ledbetter's talking about the Falcons' draft and slips this in:

Blog Crossover, watched the NCAA games with Mike C. He’s getting ready for a long offseason. I’ve heard D. Howard and CP3 want to come here, but the Hawks don’t have any cash left.

The link is http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-falcons-bl ... lcons_blog

If both "want to come here" and Sund (or the ASG) can't find a way, there's no hope for them. They'd have to stop calling themselves NBA personnel and just admit they're hacks (like the rest of us).

Henceforth, Hawks trade Joe Johnson for Jason Terry. If Hawks get blown out and then trade smith or Horford they are done for, CP3 and D12 would not want to come here. Marvin for a center would be a compete now move and move CP3/D12 further out of the equation.
Like it or not Hawks have some pieces and a chance, it is up to the FO to decide what they want to do.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I don't think the Mavs will be interested in Joe Johnson unless the Hawks are willing to take Haywood back.

Hawks would be okay with Joe and Zaza (3 years) for Terry, Haywood (6 years), and pick

Terry and Haywood aren't attractive to me. Terry is overrated even though an expiring and Haywood has an ugly contract for what he does and being 31.

Lets get Minny involved and send Terry, Dallas 1st, and Haywood to them for Beasley, Memphis 1st, and Darko. Ship Zaza with Joe and get a Future first from Dallas (maybe).

Then Trade up and Draft Donatas Motiejunas with a Marvin + Memphis first package with Cleveland for their 2nd first pick and Semih Erden.

Motiejunas looks like another version of Pau Gasol and gets comparisons to Sabonis. Only flaw I see is a need for an improved motor on the defensive end and some muscle, but if we have Darko, then we can still have somebody for Dwight while Montie develops more. Also Montiejunas can space the floor for those type of lane cloggers.

1-Hinrich/Teague
2-Nick Young/Draft Malcolm Lee
3-Josh/Beasley
4-Horford/Beasley/McRoberts
5-Montiejunas/Darko/Erden

Well prepared to sign CP3 and any other needed glue pieces in 2012

[CViggity]

Ugh Atlanta defense gets even worse with JET

[johnny878]

I don't think the Mavs will be interested in Joe Johnson unless the Hawks are willing to take Haywood back.

Hawks would be okay with Joe and Zaza (3 years) for Terry, Haywood (6 years), and pick

hell no i wouldnt. Haywoods contract is ugly enough that id only take it if marvin was dealt. i dont care how much joe gets paid, least he can play

[Ruhiel]

Ugh Atlanta defense gets even worse with JET

For one flipping year, why are people arguing about this? This is a ploy to get Dwight frikkin Howard and any all star PG who will follow the best defensive big man in the league!

You can't bear one bad season of Terry who will most likely be coming off the bench or be bought out or flipped again for another expiring, for a shot at Dwight Howard.

A) Marvin Williams would start at the 2 and we could play the big lineup
result .500 team for 1 more year
B) Joe Johnson stays and starts at the 2
result .500 team, at best, for 5 more years

[Geaux_Hawks]

Ugh Atlanta defense gets even worse with JET

For one flipping year, why are people arguing about this? This is a ploy to get Dwight frikkin Howard and any all star PG who will follow the best defensive big man in the league!

You can't bear one bad season of Terry who will most likely be coming off the bench or be bought out or flipped again for another expiring, for a shot at Dwight Howard.

A) Marvin Williams would start at the 2 and we could play the big lineup
result .500 team for 1 more year
B) Joe Johnson stays and starts at the 2
result .500 team, at best, for 5 more years

Terry for one year isn't worth taking on Haywood and then gambling that we could possibly get Dwight. I mean the guy has already said he doesn't plan on joining forces with other super star players to win a ring, so grabbing one of the elite PG's is no longer an option. Right now Orlando is a good enough situation, with an owner willing to spend money and a GM creative enough to make deals, and a good enough PG plus a decent coach. I could see a guy like Nene leaving Denver and bolting to Orlando. That kind of move would keep Dwight in Orlando.

[Ruhiel]

Ugh Atlanta defense gets even worse with JET

For one flipping year, why are people arguing about this? This is a ploy to get Dwight frikkin Howard and any all star PG who will follow the best defensive big man in the league!

You can't bear one bad season of Terry who will most likely be coming off the bench or be bought out or flipped again for another expiring, for a shot at Dwight Howard.

A) Marvin Williams would start at the 2 and we could play the big lineup
result .500 team for 1 more year
B) Joe Johnson stays and starts at the 2
result .500 team, at best, for 5 more years

Terry for one year isn't worth taking on Haywood and then gambling that we could possibly get Dwight. I mean the guy has already said he doesn't plan on joining forces with other super star players to win a ring, so grabbing one of the elite PG's is no longer an option. Right now Orlando is a good enough situation, with an owner willing to spend money and a GM creative enough to make deals, and a good enough PG plus a decent coach. I could see a guy like Nene leaving Denver and bolting to Orlando. That kind of move would keep Dwight in Orlando.

For the record I am against and never said to take on Haywood.

As for Nene and Howard all signs point to Nene staying, Zach Randolph staying and David West could bolt to NJ, so Orlando's chances of improving down low are looking slim in Free Agency. Dwight saying he doesn't want to play with another "super star" is "poppycocK". Otis Smith and D12 wouldn't have any problems if Gilbert Arenas went back to his old self.

Hawks biggest problem is financial stability and willingness to pay. Depending on how the Hawks playoffs' go we will see if "Dwight Howard to look at Atlanta for Free Agency" rumors start circulating in the media

[Geaux_Hawks]

We could always go with my Montiejunas plan. It would still allow for 2 big name signings, and If we don't get Howard(My thinking) then we could have CP3 to lead the troops. I honestly think Howard isn't leaving though.

[Ruhiel]

We could always go with my Montiejunas plan. It would still allow for 2 big name signings, and If we don't get Howard(My thinking) then we could have CP3 to lead the troops. I honestly think Howard isn't leaving though.

I can dig it,
Never seen Motiejunas play in a real game but For what it counts on my old 2K Motiejunas played like a skinny Kukoc/Diaw type, pick and pop, shoot 3s his main weakness was his wingspan.

proxied for potential I figured Motie was like a 90, Hawks would still have the 6'9.75 Horford at center, talent is talent though...

[Harry10]

Ugh Atlanta defense gets even worse with JET

so...... who cares, about Terry's defense, the trade is about Terry's contract. the trade allows the Hawks to get CP3 or Deron.

even if the Hawks miss out on Dwight, Deron, or CP3, with Terry's contract, the Hawks can still make an offer for Devin Harrin, or Al Jefferson, or Jarret Jack, or etc......... so with any of those guys, the Hawks' defense gets better...... so you are wrong, the Hawks defense gets better after the trade.

[Harry10]

I don't think the Mavs will be interested in Joe Johnson unless the Hawks are willing to take Haywood back.

Hawks would be okay with Joe and Zaza (3 years) for Terry, Haywood (6 years), and pick

hell no i wouldnt. Haywoods contract is ugly enough that id only take it if marvin was dealt. i dont care how much joe gets paid, least he can play

Haywoods contract is ugly enough....... but still allows the Hawks to make an offer to Dwight, Deron, or CP3.

Haywood/Horford/Smoove/Marvin/CP3...... is ten times better than the current roster we have now.

even if we can't get Dwight, Deron, CP3, we can still go after Devin Harris or Jarret Jack

Haywood/Horford/Smoove/Marvin/Devin Harris..... is also better than what the team is now, and has a shot at getting out of the second round. unless you like keeping Joe and the Hawks remaining as a pretender.

[jym85]

Yeah if the Mavs are going to re-sign Chandler after the year he's had they pretty much have to move Haywood I think and sign a guy like Kwame on the cheap

and if that Roddy kid is going to play PG next year, he pretty much has to have a SG like Johnson next to him that could take some of the ball-handling duties off him

Really depends so much on how he develops and Chan staying healthy but.....
Roddy/Johnson/Marion/Dirk/Chandler
would have a hell of a lot of potential on both ends

[Ruhiel]

"Jason Terry's angry tirade during Friday's game, directed at J.J. Barea, is already water under the bridge. The incident led to Terry being benched for the night but it also sparked the Mavs from a 14-point deficit to a solid victory. It doesn't sound like anything more will come of this."

still IDK if Mavs would commit to Johnson now Brewer is that runner they need at SG. and they have 2 decide on Caron Butler...

[Branduil]

Brewer is really better off as a SF.