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If the trade offer came of Pau Gasol for Josh Smith, would you do it?

Yes
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No
11
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#21 » by evildallas » Tue May 10, 2011 6:04 pm

dwalton wrote:this thread is really inappropriate, especially in the middle of a playoff series.... this why Atlanta is widely known as to having the worst fans in all of major sports.

Smith is better than Pau Gasol. next year, Pau Gasol will be apart of the "worst contracts in the NBA" club, and Josh Smith will still be apart of the "best contracts in the NBA" club.

their is a reason why major sports super stars would never want to play in Atlanta, and that is because of the horrible fan support that Atlanta has. you would never see threads like this on the LA, NYC, BOS, DAL, and CHI boards from their fans.


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Every regular poster here wants a Hawks to do well and win a title. Entertaining a theoretical question (or submitting one) doesn't indicate anything about being fans. Waiting until after the season doesn't change anything in my mind either.
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#22 » by evildallas » Tue May 10, 2011 6:37 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I understand why this thread was made and it is pretty much under the premise of "Would you sell high on Josh Smith?". My answer is basically no. The way you are making it seem like, is that Al Horford is either untouchable or couldn't fetch Gasol or any legit 5, period.

Yes, you do whatever is needed to be done to improve the team, but their are other ways of doing so, and OTOH, when you have a focused Josh Smith, you easily have one of the best 2 way players in the league. Not trying to compare Josh to anybody, but do you trade Al Jefferson over Paul Milsaps after Jefferson just had a 20/20 game or do you sell high on Kevin Love after his spectacular 20/15 per game season just so you can move Beasley to his natural spot?


Actually that wasn't the premise, nor did i mean to make Al Horford untouchable or unable to fetch Gasol. I used Josh because over the course of the year the general sentiment on the board was to get Horford to his natural position of PF and that he was the best piece to build around. While I assumed that Josh was peaking in terms of fan support, I had no idea that the support of Horford had waned so much. I also chose to go with Josh because I felt that Al would more reliably do the dirty work if Pau is the soft skilled center than Josh in the same PF role. Finally I remember the Josh for Pau trade idea from when Pau wanted out of Memphis.

I also didn't even think of it as selling high on Josh because it was really just one game. I'm not sure that changed perceptions with GMs around the league because they probably already realize that Josh is talented. They would still have the same questions about consistent performance. If those questions were resolved then Josh would probably be untouchable. My comments on the original post was an acknowledgement that his most recent performance would likely affect the fans weighing of the issue. Part of the idea of this poll was to ascertain how much 1 stellar game convinced everyone to stay the course with Josh.

However, really what prompted the poll was the Lakers talking about breaking up the roster. Pau Gasol is one of the most skilled bigs in the league offensively. He plays C at least half the year because of Andrew Bynum's frequent injuries. He's not complete, but if he was he would be untouchable as well. I wanted to get a sense of whether his post season slip up this year had caused fans here to sour on him like Lakers fans seemingly has. He has the height that we've craved and the consistent low post scoring that we've needed, but he's soft more often than not and wouldn't be cheap to acquire. I wanted to know if Atlanta fans thought he was too soft.

I know there are more than one way to improve a team, but realistically Marvin has no trade value and Joe's trade value is lessened by his huge contract. The only pieces that could possibly return a truly valuable piece to restructure the lineup are Josh and Al. Kirk Hinrich's expiring deal might be able to return an usable piece albeit not an exciting piece. We could have threads about whether it is best to build around Josh, Al or both. We could have threads about who is worth more in the trade market Al or Josh. We could have threads about best way to improve the team. This thread was meant to gauge a specific hypothetical trade. Much like the players involved the thread need not be perfect.

That was mindset in bringing up the topic. By the way if Josh plays consistently like he did Sunday I'll gladly buy a 4th Josh Smith jersey (I don't have an alternate jersey for him) even knowing that we're heading into a lockout.
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#23 » by theatlfan » Tue May 10, 2011 8:24 pm

evildallas wrote:However, really what prompted the poll was the Lakers talking about breaking up the roster. Pau Gasol is one of the most skilled bigs in the league offensively. He plays C at least half the year because of Andrew Bynum's frequent injuries. He's not complete, but if he was he would be untouchable as well.
I was pretty intrigued by the comments by Magic as well. I've always figured that a Smoove / Bynum front court would be a very nice pairing, but TBH, I never really thought about a Gasol / Horford pairing until this thread. Now that I think on it more, I think I may like it even more than the Smoove / Bynum pairing. While the Gasol / Horford duo has less versatility and upside, they have more present production and less questions in regards to their attitude and play (or lack thereof). There would be some issues with the Gasol / Horford pairing (i.e., defending Dwight Howard with either isn't really a good option, nor is moving one of them out to SF), but overall, I think I'd think the advantages would outweigh the negatives (as we saw with the ORL series, shutting down ORL does not necessarily mean shutting down D12).

I'm definitely intrigued by the idea, and depending on what happens through the rest of the playoffs, it wouldn't surprise me if there were more discussions around one of our bigs for one of theirs. In all honesty, depending on what LAL decides to do, I could see any scenario based around Horford or Smoove for Bynum or Gasol right now.
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#24 » by azuresou1 » Tue May 10, 2011 8:30 pm

I'd rather hold out an try to bait a Dwight S&T for Horford or Smith, with us absorbing bad contracts.
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#25 » by Skyhawk1 » Tue May 10, 2011 8:30 pm

The Lakers are NOT stupid enough to trade one of the best 7footers in the world for a crazy PF who can't score, can't rebound, can't shoot when they have a much better version in Odom. Now, for those of you hesitant in trading J. Smith for a guy like P. Gasol I simply have no respect. That's just beyond any stupidity.
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Post#26 » by azuresou1 » Tue May 10, 2011 8:44 pm

The guy who proposes that we trade for Al Jefferson is calling me stupid for not making a trade that doesn't make us a championship contender, shortens our window, and guarantees that we'll never sign anyone other than minimum salary players.

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Re: Trade poll 

Post#27 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue May 10, 2011 9:02 pm

evildallas wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:I understand why this thread was made and it is pretty much under the premise of "Would you sell high on Josh Smith?". My answer is basically no. The way you are making it seem like, is that Al Horford is either untouchable or couldn't fetch Gasol or any legit 5, period.

Yes, you do whatever is needed to be done to improve the team, but their are other ways of doing so, and OTOH, when you have a focused Josh Smith, you easily have one of the best 2 way players in the league. Not trying to compare Josh to anybody, but do you trade Al Jefferson over Paul Milsaps after Jefferson just had a 20/20 game or do you sell high on Kevin Love after his spectacular 20/15 per game season just so you can move Beasley to his natural spot?


Actually that wasn't the premise, nor did i mean to make Al Horford untouchable or unable to fetch Gasol. I used Josh because over the course of the year the general sentiment on the board was to get Horford to his natural position of PF and that he was the best piece to build around. While I assumed that Josh was peaking in terms of fan support, I had no idea that the support of Horford had waned so much. I also chose to go with Josh because I felt that Al would more reliably do the dirty work if Pau is the soft skilled center than Josh in the same PF role. Finally I remember the Josh for Pau trade idea from when Pau wanted out of Memphis.

I also didn't even think of it as selling high on Josh because it was really just one game. I'm not sure that changed perceptions with GMs around the league because they probably already realize that Josh is talented. They would still have the same questions about consistent performance. If those questions were resolved then Josh would probably be untouchable. My comments on the original post was an acknowledgement that his most recent performance would likely affect the fans weighing of the issue. Part of the idea of this poll was to ascertain how much 1 stellar game convinced everyone to stay the course with Josh.

However, really what prompted the poll was the Lakers talking about breaking up the roster. Pau Gasol is one of the most skilled bigs in the league offensively. He plays C at least half the year because of Andrew Bynum's frequent injuries. He's not complete, but if he was he would be untouchable as well. I wanted to get a sense of whether his post season slip up this year had caused fans here to sour on him like Lakers fans seemingly has. He has the height that we've craved and the consistent low post scoring that we've needed, but he's soft more often than not and wouldn't be cheap to acquire. I wanted to know if Atlanta fans thought he was too soft.

I know there are more than one way to improve a team, but realistically Marvin has no trade value and Joe's trade value is lessened by his huge contract. The only pieces that could possibly return a truly valuable piece to restructure the lineup are Josh and Al. Kirk Hinrich's expiring deal might be able to return an usable piece albeit not an exciting piece. We could have threads about whether it is best to build around Josh, Al or both. We could have threads about who is worth more in the trade market Al or Josh. We could have threads about best way to improve the team. This thread was meant to gauge a specific hypothetical trade. Much like the players involved the thread need not be perfect.

That was mindset in bringing up the topic. By the way if Josh plays consistently like he did Sunday I'll gladly buy a 4th Josh Smith jersey (I don't have an alternate jersey for him) even knowing that we're heading into a lockout.


LOL..evildallas that post wasn't directed at you. Your explanation has pointed out some things I assumed though, so Sorry mate.

But to answer your questions about Pau, I think he isn't this softy a lot of people reference him as. Who else has LA relied on as an inside presence, especially when Bynum's fragile knee's were out of the lineup? Bynum has never been a dominant big man in the playoffs and Odom is more fit as a stretch 4.

Like you say, he has the height we crave, someone with the consistent low post skills we don't have outside Josh's inconsistency, and won't come cheap. He is better than any of the guys we would have to offer. As far as being soft, I think he handled KG quite well in the playoffs last year(And I am a KG fanatic). I just feel we should pair him next to Josh and have one of the best front court tandem's in the league.

Two versatile shot-blocking defenders, with the abilities to dominate the offense in multiple facets is too good to stop and seems a lot better than just one shot blocker that can dominate in multiple facets and a solid defender, with an amazing mid-range, but no real post threat.

Then you throw in a Robin-type SG(Joe), an explosive up and coming PG who isn't afraid to attack(Teague), and a solid scoring bench with some decent defenders, then you got a nice contender. I would welcome Gasol with open arms if we pulled off a trade.
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Re: Trade poll 

Post#28 » by evildallas » Tue May 10, 2011 9:15 pm

Geaux_Hawks, I was not upset at your post, just trying to explain what I was thinking in the submitting this poll specifically answering why I posed it as I did instead of with Horford. I look forward to the Al, Josh, both, neither thread after the season (as long as that isn't for quite some time).
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