i was wrong about Teague

johnny878 · Post #1 » by **johnny878** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:43 am

its amazing what guarenteed playing time can do for a guy. Guy is showing more poise and killer instict then anyone on the team.

brings up two points

1) Sunds Drafting is looking a hell of alot better with Teague and Crawford emerging as legit players. in fact how often does a team hit in back to back drafts with picks that late?

2) drew is looking pretty silly not playing either during the regular season

HoopsGuru25 · Post #2 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:49 am

I was pro-Teague when we drafted him but down on him after a poor rookie year....but he had a PER of 14 this year(better than Hinrich and Bibby). It really is amazing that the Hawks had 2 potential starting point guards in Teague and Jordan Crawford and didn't bother to play either of them when Bibby was one of the worst starting pg's in the league.

parson · Post #3 » by **parson** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:14 am

HoopsGuru25 wrote:It really is amazing that the Hawks had 2 potential starting point guards in Teague and Jordan Crawford and didn't bother to play either of them when Bibby was one of the worst starting pg's in the league.

Insecure coaches crave vets.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #4 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:25 am

I figured we had got the 3rd best PG in that bunch back in 2009 only trailing Curry and Jennings. Was pretty much the most explosive, most fastest(Only Lawson can compete) of them all, which he uses to play good defense to go along with his ability to also score and create shots. Really isn't a pure point and that is what probably hurt him a lot coming out of college.

I just wanted Crawford because he dunked on Lebron James, but he is a capable scoring guard. Pretty much JC1 in the same mold.

Hate that we forced ourselves into trading so much for Hinrich. Could have been playing Teague and gotten a decent center with Jordan and Bibby. I still wouldn't have mind the trade sense Hinrich would have been a better back up/mentor to Teague over Bibby, but we could have gotten better for what we moved. I would have love to have gotten Nick Young out that deal as well.

parson · Post #5 » by **parson** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:41 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I still wouldn't have mind the trade sense Hinrich would have been a better back up/mentor to Teague over Bibby,

Good point. Hinrich seems to be a good coach for young PGs. Guy's got an impressive track record - Rose/Wall/???Teague??? If it turns out we burned Jordan to make Teague a starting-quality PG, it will have more than worth it.

But, yeah. We could have offered Jamal with Bibby and gotten Hinrich and a big (Seraphin, maybe? McGee would have been too much to dream of).

ATL DirtyBird · Post #6 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:27 am

Do you realize how minute the sample size? There is a large body of work that suggests otherwise. Wait a bit longer before coming to any conclusion or creating a thread.

Ruhiel · Post #7 » by **Ruhiel** » Mon May 9, 2011 2:13 pm

Teague is playing against the near unanimous MVP of the league. He's showing his scoring and apotential to create havoc in the lane. And that break where he nearly charged into Korver showed Increased willingness and understanding on how to lead the break.

@ATLDirtyBird which post are you referring to?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #8 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon May 9, 2011 3:32 pm

ATL DirtyBird wrote:Do you realize how minute the sample size? There is a large body of work that suggests otherwise. Wait a bit longer before coming to any conclusion or creating a thread.

He has had games in the regular season this year showing that he has potential to breakout any minute if Drew was ever willing to give him some burn. Some games he has scored points during garbage time, that makes him look like he was playing against JV squads and should be playing with the varsity.

Then in this series against the MVP, he is playing great D, scoring efficiently, blowing by defenders, exploding for dunks. Last night he came up huge in the 4th QTR to help seal that victory. I know Josh was performing on another level as well, but Teague came up with some big buckets.

parson · Post #9 » by **parson** » Mon May 9, 2011 4:05 pm

ATL DirtyBird wrote:Do you realize how minute the sample size? There is a large body of work that suggests otherwise. Wait a bit longer before coming to any conclusion or creating a thread.

Nope, there is NOT a "large body of work that suggests otherwise." He had 966 minutes all of the regular season. That works out to 13.8 minutes/game. Last year, he averaged 10.1. In the CHI series, he's averaging 41.5 min/game.

This series is literally the 1st "large body of work" he's ever had.

He is routinely getting to the basket against one of (if not the best) defenses in the NBA.
He is playing terrific defense. Notice that we switched him to Korver when Korver started getting open?
He has been our most consistent starter in this series.
He has only 5 turnovers in 4 games.

All the other things - vision, experience, decision-making are open to personal opinion, but the only "large body of work" he has ever had is NOW. Drew should have been playing Teague about 20 minutes every game, then he could have claimed credit when Teague starting going off. Now, Drew simply has to admit he didn't know what he had OR he's going to have to explain why he sat such a talented player.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #10 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon May 9, 2011 5:47 pm

parson wrote:
ATL DirtyBird wrote:Do you realize how minute the sample size? There is a large body of work that suggests otherwise. Wait a bit longer before coming to any conclusion or creating a thread.

Nope, there is NOT a "large body of work that suggests otherwise." He had 966 minutes all of the regular season. That works out to 13.8 minutes/game. Last year, he averaged 10.1. In the CHI series, he's averaging 41.5 min/game.

This series is literally the 1st "large body of work" he's ever had.

He is routinely getting to the basket against one of (if not the best) defenses in the NBA.
He is playing terrific defense. Notice that we switched him to Korver when Korver started getting open?
He has been our most consistent starter in this series.
He has only 5 turnovers in 4 games.

All the other things - vision, experience, decision-making are open to personal opinion, but the only "large body of work" he has ever had is NOW. Drew should have been playing Teague about 20 minutes every game, then he could have claimed credit when Teague starting going off. Now, Drew simply has to admit he didn't know what he had OR he's going to have to explain why he sat such a talented player.

He will have to do this. The fans saw what Teague was capable of, but he didn't. He didn't even give the guy some burn even when he knew Bibby was not the PG for us. For what Bibby gave us, he could have played Teague more.

evildallas · Post #11 » by **evildallas** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:31 pm

parson wrote:
HoopsGuru25 wrote:It really is amazing that the Hawks had 2 potential starting point guards in Teague and Jordan Crawford and didn't bother to play either of them when Bibby was one of the worst starting pg's in the league.

Insecure coaches crave vets.

Very good point. Insecurity and playing favorites lead to some questionable decisions (see Jim O'Brien in Indiana and Larry Brown in Charlotte as well).

HoopsGuru25 · Post #12 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon May 9, 2011 10:51 pm

ATL DirtyBird wrote:Do you realize how minute the sample size? There is a large body of work that suggests otherwise. Wait a bit longer before coming to any conclusion or creating a thread.

Where is the large body of work that suggests otherwise though? The only other time Drew has played him is when he's been forced to because of injuries(this time a long term injury) or trade. His per minute numbers were actually solid and young players usually play better when given more minutes except for those who have fatigue issues and/or problems with foul trouble.

Post #13 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:16 pm

It was obvious Teague had talent and was quick, but it can be hard to gauge things since Drew was benching him.

myrak433 · Post #14 » by **myrak433** » Tue May 10, 2011 10:41 pm

Listen, Teague wasn't earning his minutes earlier in the year. when he did play he was passive and was a turnover machine. he did have flashes of good play but he was extremely inconsistent. it wasn't until Kirk came to this team that Teague started playing well. watch who Teague sets beside when he is on the bench. watch what Kirk is doing the whole time Teague is on the bench. Kirk is constantly in Teagues ear the whole time he is on the bench. Kirk brings much more to this team than his play on the court. he was well worth the first round picks and Crawford. even if Crawford turns out to be the next Wade as long as Teague turns out to be the next Rose. it was worth it.

because I don't think Teague would have developed without Kirk, at least not this fast. So enough with all the we gave up too much for Kirk. he has proven to be worth it to me.

Guys it finally seems we have our point guard of the future. now all we need is a Center.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #15 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 11:06 pm

myrak433 wrote:Listen, Teague wasn't earning his minutes earlier in the year. when he did play he was passive and was a turnover machine. he did have flashes of good play but he was extremely inconsistent. it wasn't until Kirk came to this team that Teague started playing well. watch who Teague sets beside when he is on the bench. watch what Kirk is doing the whole time Teague is on the bench. Kirk is constantly in Teagues ear the whole time he is on the bench. Kirk brings much more to this team than his play on the court. he was well worth the first round picks and Crawford. even if Crawford turns out to be the next Wade as long as Teague turns out to be the next Rose. it was worth it.

because I don't think Teague would have developed without Kirk, at least not this fast. So enough with all the we gave up too much for Kirk. he has proven to be worth it to me.

Guys it finally seems we have our point guard of the future. now all we need is a Center.

Not earning his minutes?? Passive and Turnover machine?? The guy never got minutes to begin with and when he did get them he would start out ok, then make a turnover, and snatched out after doing so, to later rot on the bench and collect DNP-Coach Decision's. Drew never let the guy learn in-game or allowed him to make up his mistakes. It wasn't until Bibby was traded which then forced Drew to play Teague during the trade deadline and kirk calf injury. Even after that he sat him on the bench. If Kirk doesn't get hurt in the series against Orlando, then Teague is still on the bench maybe. Kirk has had his influence on Teague and is worth what we gave up considering where we may end up drafting and guys going back to school and also Crawford being a chucker. I still would like that 1st back. They can have Crawford.

C3 · Post #16 » by C3 » Wed May 11, 2011 4:02 am

As a outsider, I've been impressed from what little I have seen. Watching Teague makes me feel a little sorry for Hinrich, I'm sure he is seeing what I'm seeing and probably thinking "awe, not again". But don't worry, if Teague starts over a healthy Kirk, you can be confident that Kirk will handle it like a pro.

myrak433 · Post #17 » by **myrak433** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:18 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
myrak433 wrote:Listen, Teague wasn't earning his minutes earlier in the year. when he did play he was passive and was a turnover machine. he did have flashes of good play but he was extremely inconsistent. it wasn't until Kirk came to this team that Teague started playing well. watch who Teague sets beside when he is on the bench. watch what Kirk is doing the whole time Teague is on the bench. Kirk is constantly in Teagues ear the whole time he is on the bench. Kirk brings much more to this team than his play on the court. he was well worth the first round picks and Crawford. even if Crawford turns out to be the next Wade as long as Teague turns out to be the next Rose. it was worth it.

because I don't think Teague would have developed without Kirk, at least not this fast. So enough with all the we gave up too much for Kirk. he has proven to be worth it to me.

Guys it finally seems we have our point guard of the future. now all we need is a Center.

Not earning his minutes?? Passive and Turnover machine??

Teague was playing bad in at the start of the season, he was playing like a rookie. and I have a good feeling that Larry Drew is not to comfortable by loosing more games than he has to to help Teague develop on the fly. If I was LD I wouldn't either. he would have to show me something in practice.
of the season.

The guy never got minutes to begin with and when he did get them he would start out ok, then make a turnover, and snatched out after doing so, to later rot on the bench and collect DNP-Coach Decision's.

Teague did get minutes at the start go back and look the first 10 or so games Teague was getting about 15 to 20 or something like that. he wasn't playing like he is now. all he would do is bring the ball up and pass the ball to JJ.

Drew never let the guy learn in-game or allowed him to make up his mistakes. It wasn't until Bibby was traded which then forced Drew to play Teague during the trade deadline and kirk calf injury. Even after that he sat him on the bench. If Kirk doesn't get hurt in the series against Orlando, then Teague is still on the bench maybe. Kirk has had his influence on Teague and is worth what we gave up considering where we may end up drafting and guys going back to school and also Crawford being a chucker. I still would like that 1st back. They can have Crawford.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #18 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:02 pm

^^ Drew played the guy 13 minutes the first 2 months,then 12, then 9, 15,16,& 18. How can you learn from such limited action. To be a turnover machine he only averaged 0.9 a game. Just goes to show you that if Teague slipped just once he pulled him, but no point in arguing, we both can agree that this is our PGOTF.

I guess I didn't like how you came on here and made it seem like he was pure garbage until Hinrich showed up. I always believed in him.