We could have been playing Teague all year.

parson · Post #1 » by **parson** » Sat May 7, 2011 1:39 am

I know I'm bad, sometimes, about I-told-you-so's but this kid can play.

geeman · Post #2 » by **geeman** » Sat May 7, 2011 2:15 am

yes, but now with craword ( not signed) teague ( rookie deal) Cap ( 1year at 9 mil) do we do next year?
Is it Crawford or Kirk? Maybe nether?

dwalton · Post #3 » by **dwalton** » Sat May 7, 2011 2:31 am

Teague is making Drew look bad. Teague should have been getting more minutes off the bench. right now, he looks just as good as Jamer Nelson scoring, but he also looks as bad as Jamer Nelson playing PG. Teague is young and i have no doubt that he will get better leadership skills and get a team to play team basketball. when Teague becomes a floor general, i think he can be a slightly better version of Kyle Lowry.

parson · Post #4 » by **parson** » Sat May 7, 2011 2:56 am

geeman wrote:yes, but now with craword ( not signed) teague ( rookie deal) Cap ( 1year at 9 mil) do we do next year?
Is it Crawford or Kirk? Maybe nether?

I think we go with Hinrich and Teague at point, all the time, for one year. That'll help grow Teague. Then we re-sign Hinrich only if he comes reasonably priced.

I don't have any room for Jamal. I'd rather get a Center, play Smoove at SF and let Marvelous back up Smoove and Joe.

evildallas · Post #5 » by **evildallas** » Sat May 7, 2011 5:10 am

What do we do? Start Teague and Joe. Keep Hinrich as the backup combo guard while possibly resigning Damien Wilkins cheaply and Pape Sy. Publicly state that we'd love to keep Jamal, but offer him a sizable pay cut to stay. If he finds no better offers and resigns then trade Hinrich's expiring contract for an overpaid big that can still play, but realistically Jamal probably leaves out of pride for a similar offer elsewhere which means finding a big some other way.

Teague should have been playing minutes all year long and his performance under this pressure with this opponent definitely cast doubt on Larry Drew as a talent evaluator if nothing else. Would he have made mistakes? Sure, but he would have learned and developed with PT. The biggest negative I've seen from Teague this series is not realizing that the officials are allowing physical perimeter defensive play. He's trying to stay with the defender, but not making use of the way it's being officiated. Having said that he's not the only one. Chicago's defense is riding all the Hawks outside shooters tightly and we're not giving them the same level of pressure back. Maybe the refs don't won't let us get away with that type of contact, but you can't say that for sure because we never tried to find out in game 3.

BTW, I like to see the team work a full camp with Teague penetrating and creating for himself and others. While Teague was able to get into the lane and break down the D, it really worked for him, Josh, and Marvin. Al is could of worked better for but he's still rushing shots even when open. Joe however seemed lost without total control of the ball. A camp with the offense might help. Then again it might have just been Chicago's defensive intensity that kept him so in check.

MaceCase · Post #6 » by **MaceCase** » Sat May 7, 2011 3:24 pm

At this point what would have been the benefit of playing Teague more throughout the year? More wins? Well we'd still be in a similar matchup against a top team in the 2nd round and he's already playing as well as one could hope. What he's doing is what plenty wanted out of him all year, he's scoring. He's not pretending to be a PG or trying to set up the offense instead he's taking the ball and looking for his spots to score and no amount of playing time will make him a purer passer same way all the amount of playing time Rose has received hasn't made him one either.

geeman · Post #7 » by **geeman** » Sat May 7, 2011 3:48 pm

At this point what would have been the benefit of playing Teague more throughout the year? More wins? Well we'd still be in a similar matchup against a top team in the 2nd round and he's already playing as well as one could hope. What he's doing is what plenty wanted out of him all year, he's scoring. He's not pretending to be a PG or trying to set up the offense instead he's taking the ball and looking for his spots to score and no amount of playing time will make him a purer passer same way all the amount of playing time Rose has received hasn't made him one either.

You don't think that more playing time this year = a better setup man........ :roll:

MaceCase · Post #8 » by **MaceCase** » Sat May 7, 2011 4:21 pm

geeman wrote:
At this point what would have been the benefit of playing Teague more throughout the year? More wins? Well we'd still be in a similar matchup against a top team in the 2nd round and he's already playing as well as one could hope. What he's doing is what plenty wanted out of him all year, he's scoring. He's not pretending to be a PG or trying to set up the offense instead he's taking the ball and looking for his spots to score and no amount of playing time will make him a purer passer same way all the amount of playing time Rose has received hasn't made him one either.

You don't think that more playing time this year = a better setup man........

As I used the example of Derrick Rose who is vastly superior to Teague and pointed out that 3 years of him running the point in Chicago hasn't turned him to a purer passer you came at me with that retort....
Hmm, methinks you don't read or you just don't understand that square pegs don't fit round holes. Teague was a college shooting guard and scorer and is not surprisingly finding success in the NBA as a scorer yet you want to roll your eyes and still hang your hat on him becoming Steve Nash over 82 games? Okay, that's your prerogative but the evidence is pointing elsewhere.

ZA ZA ZA · Post #9 » by **ZA ZA ZA** » Sat May 7, 2011 4:33 pm

if we were starting Teague the whole year we would have never needed to make that trade, just had Bibby off the bench. Then, we wouldn't have to be worrying about resigning Jamal or not because we'd still have Jordan Crawford waiting to replace him and we'd have that pick to find a serviceable big.

That's the biggest advantage we would have had if we were playing teague this whole time. But not to mention, yes, he would have been more developed as a passer by now.

Skyhawk1 · Post #10 » by **Skyhawk1** » Sat May 7, 2011 8:47 pm

Last night I was thinking about how much better Teague would be if he had been given playing time. He would be better no doubt, more confident. He's got to work on his shot, but even though he's undersized, his defense is decent. He's probably one the best surprises of the playoffs. L. Drew has done a bad job all year. That's just another example. Play Teague. Get rid of Jamal, Smith, Marvin in the offseason.

FCNATL85 · Post #11 » by **FCNATL85** » Sat May 7, 2011 9:03 pm

We did not play him all year, nor last year. Let's move on.
We have to deal with other issues right now. BTW, he is still struggling defending Rose (44 vs 21)

johnny878 · Post #12 » by **johnny878** » Sun May 8, 2011 12:13 am

MaceCase wrote:At this point what would have been the benefit of playing Teague more throughout the year? More wins? Well we'd still be in a similar matchup against a top team in the 2nd round and he's already playing as well as one could hope. What he's doing is what plenty wanted out of him all year, he's scoring. He's not pretending to be a PG or trying to set up the offense instead he's taking the ball and looking for his spots to score and no amount of playing time will make him a purer passer same way all the amount of playing time Rose has received hasn't made him one either.

i dont know, maybe the hawks wouldnt have to of given up jordan crawford and a 1st round pic for kirk hinrich. And Jordan Crawford apparently could of more or less filled Jamal Crawfords offense of the bench role pretty adequetely, so the hawks wouldnt really be screwed this next offseason when jamal leaves.

MaceCase · Post #13 » by **MaceCase** » Sun May 8, 2011 9:30 am

The Hawks aren't screwed when Jamal leaves because, TADA! We have Kirk Hinrich! And again, Jeffrey Teague is proving his value as a scoring point. Not a defender and definitely not a distributor but lets hold onto the ideal that's he's definitely is Chris Paul in the making rather than put a damper on him being the next Rodney Stuckey and Aaron Brooks.

Post #14 » by **HMFFL** » Sun May 8, 2011 12:54 pm

I think sitting Teague has also helped him. He seemed to have confidence issues throughout the regular season and he was very streaky. I wish he had more court time during the regular season, but it's behind us now, and we can only focus on what's to come during the future.

evildallas · Post #15 » by **evildallas** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:58 pm

Teague is playing much better defense than given create for here. Rose was on fire on Friday and no one was stopping him. I'm not saying Teague defended him well that game, but look at the other 3 games. Teague has made Rose work hard and be inefficient in scoring his points. When he's been on Korver he's negated him. You can't just look at the scoring totals alone as an indication of performance.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #16 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon May 9, 2011 10:54 pm

The Hawks have played good defense on Rose. Some of those step back jumpers and on the run floaters(especially these)are just going to go in regardless of how good the defense is.

Grime_Wizard · Post #17 » by **Grime_Wizard** » Wed May 11, 2011 4:24 am

HoopsGuru25 wrote:The Hawks have played good defense on Rose. Some of those step back jumpers and on the run floaters(especially these)are just going to go in regardless of how good the defense is.

yea and i think thats the problem. They put too much attention on Rose and because he has court vision he gets other people open, which really sucks because everyone plays off of their man to pay attention to Rose. The Hawks should do what Boston did to Miami and Cleveland last year, let the main guy do all he wants, but pay more attention to the role players.

TyroneSlothrop · Post #18 » by **TyroneSlothrop** » Wed May 11, 2011 6:56 am

FCNATL85 wrote:We did not play him all year, nor last year. Let's move on.
We have to deal with other issues right now. BTW, he is still struggling defending Rose (44 vs 21)

Huh? Rose is the league MVP and in 3 out of 5 games this series he's been horribly inefficient shooting the basketball. Is Teague supposed to shut him down completely?

Ern III · Post #19 » by **Ern III** » Fri May 13, 2011 4:06 am

Larry Drew must be fired. To bury a player as capable as Teague while having the Hawks play such a mediocre form of offense almost the whole season, especially in light of the team's ball movement and production for three quarters of game five in Chicago, gives management the mandate for dismissal.

parson · Post #20 » by **parson** » Fri May 13, 2011 4:19 am

Every coach plays favorites -- that's how you judge him. Thing is, he'd better pick the right guy. Drew picked Jamal over Teague. He wants a good shooter at the point.

Now, we have to say Drew didn't know what he had. That's not good.

And since I said I'd laugh at anyone who claimed Teague wasn't playing good defense against Rose ...

.... ha.