(5) Atlanta @ (1) Chicago Game 5 Thread

[Geaux_Hawks]

I Still can't get over that god-awful officiated game. Rose D*** near tackled Teague, Joe got mobbed twice going to the rim, Crawford was fouled several times on 3 point attempts, Josh was unnecessarily elbowed in the face and some how Boozer doesn't get a T initially when it was obvious, but the results ended up a double Tech.

Then Rose will get the softest touch fouls called for him, but Teague can get leveled and still no whistle. Deng jumped into Josh while Josh was on the ground twice and gets the call. I seen that play at least 3 other times in the series and the refs didn't make a call, but tonight just so happens to get called. WOW!

Hawks won last night, plain and simple. I will say that we can't let Taj Gibson to come off the bench and get 11 points or anybody else off the bench. Despite the terrible officiating, the Hawks still kept the Bulls right where they needed too, and came close in pulling it off had they at least kept the ball movement going. Good Game regardless.

[Ctownbulls]

Refs were bad, probably in favor of the Bulls in the fourth quarter but the refs were equally as bad in game 4 for the Hawks favor. Rose could have easily gone to the line 6-10 more times in game 4.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Refs were bad, probably in favor of the Bulls in the fourth quarter but the refs were equally as bad in game 4 for the Hawks favor. Rose could have easily gone to the line 6-10 more times in game 4.

I can't agree on that, and I am no bias fan. Josh and Teague simply took over that game on both ends in the 4th. Heck, you could even argue that Teague was getting fouled hard as well in Game 4 and not receiving whistles. I saw where Rose may have had a few more opportunities to go to the line, but other times it was just good defense from Josh and Teague. Game 5 OTOH, just had some terrible officiating. It was times Crawford was getting high fived after a couple of 3's and Rose made a huge tackle to stop Teague from housing a TO.

I mean I look at the Bulls game thread and see them talk about how Teague complains, but yet on the other end, Teague gets called for the same foul Rose gets away with and some of the other calls are so soft and touchy.

[HMFFL]

Our Hawks need to learn to pump fake and force contact once the defender is in the air. It's the little things that will force the refs to make calls that go our way and we fail in this area. We focused more on Derrick Rose during game five instead of containing the rest of the Bulls players.

1-12 from the 3 won't cut it. We failed at boxing out during most of those misses and we deserved not to win this game with the way we played last night.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I think we boxed out pretty good last night, just didn't hit the 3 ball like you say. Marvin could really make a living if he pumped faked and Joe forcing more contact.

[Ctownbulls]

Refs were bad, probably in favor of the Bulls in the fourth quarter but the refs were equally as bad in game 4 for the Hawks favor. Rose could have easily gone to the line 6-10 more times in game 4.

I can't agree on that, and I am no bias fan. Josh and Teague simply took over that game on both ends in the 4th. Heck, you could even argue that Teague was getting fouled hard as well in Game 4 and not receiving whistles. I saw where Rose may have had a few more opportunities to go to the line, but other times it was just good defense from Josh and Teague. Game 5 OTOH, just had some terrible officiating. It was times Crawford was getting high fived after a couple of 3's and Rose made a huge tackle to stop Teague from housing a TO.

I mean I look at the Bulls game thread and see them talk about how Teague complains, but yet on the other end, Teague gets called for the same foul Rose gets away with and some of the other calls are so soft and touchy.

I don't disagree with you but you just proved my point. Refer to your bolded portion. Rose could have easily gone to the line a bunch more in game 4. Rose is in the mold of LeBron, where he is so strong and controls his body so well in the air that players either bounce off of him or he still gets a great shot up despite the contact. It doesn't mean it is not a foul.

[parson]

Refs were bad, probably in favor of the Bulls in the fourth quarter but the refs were equally as bad in game 4 for the Hawks favor. Rose could have easily gone to the line 6-10 more times in game 4.

I don't disagree with you but you just proved my point. Refer to your bolded portion. Rose could have easily gone to the line a bunch more in game 4. Rose is in the mold of LeBron, where he is so strong and controls his body so well in the air that players either bounce off of him or he still gets a great shot up despite the contact. It doesn't mean it is not a foul.

You just came to our board to say we were cheated in game 5?

And your only excuse is that Rose - who has been receiving greatly preferential treatment from the refs - could have had more FTs in game 4? Rose is getting touch foul calls while our PG is getting nothing while being knocked to the floor on the same drives.

Good grief, what do you think you're doing? Looks to me that you KNOW your team is having the games handed to them and you're trying to justify it, somehow, in your mind.

[Geaux_Hawks]

My bolded portion states a FEW MORE chances, not a lot more. you said 6-10(12-20 more attempts), I am suggesting 2-3(4-6 more attempts).

[Ctownbulls]

My bolded portion states a FEW MORE chances, not a lot more. you said 6-10(12-20 more attempts), I am suggesting 2-3(4-6 more attempts).

I meant 6-10 more attempts. And to Parson, I don't want to argue with you. The refs are the refs, it is the NBA and it changes every game. I in no way thought that Atlanta got screwed last night. The Bulls completely shut ATL down in the 4th and if you want to blame the refs that is fine but that was an over the top response. Bulls are playing great D on Crawford and Joe Johnson and you have Teague playing the game of his life and ZaZa going 5-6 from the field and you still lose. Maybe ATL fans are realizing no matter how well they play they will fall short. Blame the refs if you must.

edit: And as to the refs in game 4. The refs admitted a crucial missed call that would of completely changed the dynamic of the game on that Rose 3. You don't see the Bulls fans going nuts about how the refs jobbed us in game 4. The refs are inconsistent. Always have been, always will be and it is not in favor for either team.

[parson]

And to Parson, I don't want to argue with you. The refs are the refs, it is the NBA and it changes every game. I in no way thought that Atlanta got screwed last night. The Bulls completely shut ATL down in the 4th and if you want to blame the refs that is fine but that was an over the top response. Bulls are playing great D on Crawford and Joe Johnson and you have Teague playing the game of his life and ZaZa going 5-6 from the field and you still lose. Maybe ATL fans are realizing no matter how well they play they will fall short. Blame the refs if you must.

As I said, you're over here to try to justify - in your mind - the cheating. Do you agree that hand-checking is not legal? That TWO-handed handchecking, the type Noah does on every possession, is even more illegal? Do you agree that handchecking to the point of pushing is illegal?

Your team is not playing "great D" - they are fouling. And the proof is that we get called for the foul whenever we try to do the same. AND Y'ALL CRY FOR THAT FOUL.

Read your own words, Rose should have more FTs because of contact. Well, if the refs called contact on Y'ALL, you'd all be sitting on the bench.

Ctownbulls, you're actually calling for touch fouls to be called on us while calling the pushing, holding, hacking y'all do "great D." You're schizophrenic.

edit: And as to the refs in game 4. The refs admitted a crucial missed call that would of completely changed the dynamic of the game on that Rose 3. You don't see the Bulls fans going nuts about how the refs jobbed us in game 4. The refs are inconsistent. Always have been, always will be and it is not in favor for either team.

You're complaining about it now, aren't you? And you had ESPN Chicago doing that, didn't you? You're calling "crucial" a 3 pt. attempt where Rose jumped sideways to make contact. It was a 12 point victory for us, yet you're reduced to claiming that, if that one foul had been called, that the Bulls would have played better and we'd have played worse. That's a pretty good example of "going nuts."

The refs are not "inconsistent" - they are allowing y'all to play in a way that we are not being allowed to.

And you're over here because you know it, you feel guilty and you're hoping to find a way to excuse it.

[Ruhiel]

I think Hawks small lineup wasnt rolling in the 4th and Zaza should have been inserted to see if we could get some easy points, Bulls got a lot of boards and lived in the paint.

Collins and the rest of the starters were not pushing the urgency from the start, they were meticulous it worked as far as buckets but not FTA...Hawks needed to be more aggressive.

Derrick Rose has yet to see foul trouble. When Johnson posted him up for that and-1
I thought Drew/Joe would keep going to that play.

Teague needs to draw fouls from the jump, Josh as well, Smith was in foul trouble before Deng.

Hawks need to cut off the head of the snake and go at Rose until its so blatantly obvious the refs are jobbing us.

[HMFFL]

Kirk Hinrich: Hamstring getting better

Atlanta Hawks guard Kirk Hinrich says his ailing right hamstring is finally starting to show some improvement.

Hinrich was hurt in the closing minutes of a series-clinching win over Orlando. Second-year player Jeff Teague has filled in admirably, averaging 16 points a game against the Bulls with only five turnovers. He's a major reason the Eastern Conference semifinal is tied 2-2 heading into Game 5 at Chicago on Tuesday night.

Hinrich says he's only doing "very simple" exercises but feels his hamstring is getting better. When asked if he could possibly return in this series, he says, "I don't want to rule anything out."

But coach Larry Drew doesn't expect Hinrich to play against Chicago, even if the series goes to a seventh game Sunday. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/ ... id=6516300

I wish Kirk was healthy enough to play Thursday, but we'll just need to find ways to win without him, and stretch the series out.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I really think Kirk could really add that constant perimeter shooting we lack right now and not be a liability on D. This is a great time to have him on the floor with Teague and also allow others to get breathers. Joe and Teague are averaging over 40+ minutes and Joe looked tired last night.

[parson]

I agree but the problem is Drew's preference for Jamal. If we had Hinrich (who I agree would be of great help) then Teague wouldn't play, even after what he's done up to now.

In crunch time, it'd still be Jamal and Joe playing iso-ball.

Right now, I'd rather play Marvelous as Joe's backup, instead of Jamal. I'd use Jamal when Teague needed a break.

[HMFFL]

I felt playing Jamal was the right decision at the time. It was an off night, but the chances are high he's going to turn it around, and most of the time he does. Drew is going to get criticized for his decision making, but the team failed to stop Chicago's reserves, and ultimately they cost us the game.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Jamal is like an advanced version of Korver, and when Korver was getting killed on D, Thibs took him out to keep the Hawks from milking that mis-match. Drew has to learn when to play Jamal and when not to.

When Brewer & Deng are on the floor, Drew needs to match up with Marvin or Smith on the floor at 3 instead of Crawford at the 2 guard position. If Bogans or Korver are on the floor, thats when Crawford needs to be out there. That way Crawford doesn't become a liability on the D or can take advantage of them on the offensive end. Brewer is to long for Crawford.

[parson]

Jamal fits Drew's offense. That makes him just too attractive to not play (for Drew).

I still think Drew played Teague under protest and will use Jamal the 1st moment Teague stumbles. If Jamal has a great game, Drew'll use that for months to justify playing him over Teague. He just cannot see what he has in Teague.

I read Drew's comments about Teague - after the game - basically saying he hopes Teague will play like a starter rather than a backup next year. We'll NEVER see those comments about Jamal.

The 1st time Teague plays badly...