We could trade Horford, Hinrich and Marvelous to ORL for Dwight Howard and Turkoglu ...
... IF ...
... we could dump Joe's salary in the new amnesty idea being tossed around.
Losing Joe's contract would put us $8 million under the cap, giving us the room to offer ORL a savings of that same $8 million, plus another $8 million saved from the expiring contract of Hinrich and the benefit of getting rid of Turkoglu.
And Horford is a pretty attractive addition if they have to trade DH. He's not as valuable as Bynum but the deal is, overall, much more cash-friendly for ORL.
We could make the deal, in principle, with ORL before we actually bought out Joe.
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My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
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The proposed amnesty clause allows you to get cap relief, not get rid of the obligation. It's an accounting trick for cap rules, not really world money savings. Our ownership group cannot afford to eat Joe's entire contract. Few can as that would be $107M out on top of whatever you spend on the ongoing roster. I'm not sure they'd even swallow Marvin's deal because it still adds up to $25 million. They might do that it means staying under any luxury tax during the time, but don't expect them to spend it if they do. The most likely candidate for a amnesty buyout would be Zaza. Again this is just a business decision not a basketball decision. The 10M over 2 years would allow us to stay under the luxury tax in theory and we'd replace him with a league minimum salary guy.
The amnesty clause isn't meant for ownership groups like the ASG nor is it meant for players like Joe at this point in their contract. The ASG has actually done a good job of avoiding horrible investments (excluding public opinion on Joe's deal and Marvin's regression into worthlessness). The worst during their stint was probably the Speedy Claxton deal as that was money paid to a guy who couldn't get healthy enough to even play. He would have been an amnesty candidate. Marvin might be an amnesty candidate if the ownership group had deeper pockets because you could replace his production with an inexpensive player, invest in another player at another position (both assume MLE usage) and stay under the tax threshold. I say if because you still pay Marvin 8M not to play. If the ASG could afford that they could just spend the MLE anyway or resign Jamal anyway and keep Marvin for about the same real world cost. The owners that benefit are the ones who would spent the money if allowed, but the cap rules prevent it or they the amnesty gets them out of luxury tax.
The amnesty clause isn't meant for ownership groups like the ASG nor is it meant for players like Joe at this point in their contract. The ASG has actually done a good job of avoiding horrible investments (excluding public opinion on Joe's deal and Marvin's regression into worthlessness). The worst during their stint was probably the Speedy Claxton deal as that was money paid to a guy who couldn't get healthy enough to even play. He would have been an amnesty candidate. Marvin might be an amnesty candidate if the ownership group had deeper pockets because you could replace his production with an inexpensive player, invest in another player at another position (both assume MLE usage) and stay under the tax threshold. I say if because you still pay Marvin 8M not to play. If the ASG could afford that they could just spend the MLE anyway or resign Jamal anyway and keep Marvin for about the same real world cost. The owners that benefit are the ones who would spent the money if allowed, but the cap rules prevent it or they the amnesty gets them out of luxury tax.
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You make a good point but let me ask whether Dwight Howard is worth $107 million in revenue to the ASG.
[edit] Not that I know that answer.
[edit] Not that I know that answer.
My mother told me, she said, "Elwood, to make it in this world you either have to be oh, so clever or oh, so pleasant." Well, for years I was clever; I recommend pleasant.
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")
Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart, in the film "Harvey")