What do we want for Smoove

[MaceCase]

If the owners get their wish of having a 45 mil hard cap. The Hawks are going to be in trouble finically. The only option will be trading JSmith/AHarford for cap space. The reason why I only address them is cause NO one is going to want to trade for MWilliams and Joe Johnson's contract. That would put the Hawks at 19 mil over the cap and would pay dollar for dallor for being over the tax. That's 48 mil!! My guess is that the cap will be set somewhere around 49-53 mil which the Hawks would still be overthe cap by a large margin. Combine with the Team being put up for sale, it seems like salary cap releif will be the way the Hawks might go when trading away one of their valuable assets.

Yea, well so will 98% of the league so that doesn't seem like a competitive disadvantage for the Hawks for this proposed hard cap.

What about this

Boston Incoming
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams
12 1st rd pick lotto protected

Atl Incoming
Ray Allen
Jeff Green (s&t)

No, just no. The Hawks are giving up two better players (Yes, Marvin is better than Green) and a 1st round pick for two guys who don't even fill a need?? Green is looking for a deal close to what Marvin is making and obviously longer so how does that solve the Hawks salary issue even? Only way a deal like that get's considered is if Boston is offering both theirs and the Clippers pick in return.

[ray ray]

@MaseCase- You are right, however 98% of league are not for sale like the Hawks.

[MaceCase]

@MaseCase- You are right, however 98% of league are not for sale like the Hawks.

How does that affect the Hawks in a negative way again? From most reports the team has already been sold so I guess having a perennial 2nd round playoff team in a large and growing market outweighed having a team fit underneath a fictional salary cap. If the idea was to just dump Smith then he would have been gone ages ago but every single report on his availability seems to indicate that the Hawks want a lot for him in return sometimes even too much. How hard do you think it is to dump a productive 25 year old on a reasonable and short contract if that's a teams only intention?

[dms269]

If the owners get their wish of having a 45 mil hard cap. The Hawks are going to be in trouble finically. The only option will be trading JSmith/AHarford for cap space. The reason why I only address them is cause NO one is going to want to trade for MWilliams and Joe Johnson's contract. That would put the Hawks at 19 mil over the cap and would pay dollar for dallor for being over the tax. That's 48 mil!! My guess is that the cap will be set somewhere around 49-53 mil which the Hawks would still be overthe cap by a large margin. Combine with the Team being put up for sale, it seems like salary cap releif will be the way the Hawks might go when trading away one of their valuable assets.

IF they get a hard cap...that is a big if.

So many teams would be over right now so the chance seems ot very slim since with a hard cap, you can't go over.

I think if they salary dump Smith or Horford, then they won't get as much return from a prospected buyer. I doubt a buyer would want to buy the Hawks without having one of their top 3 best players on the team.

[dms269]

What about this

Boston Incoming
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams
12 1st rd pick lotto protected

Atl Incoming
Ray Allen
Jeff Green (s&t)

I don't see how this is a good deal for the Hawks. Ray is a shell of his former self and is not worth Josh. It all depends on what Green is to command. I do like green as a player and actually do feel he might be an upgrades over Marvin, but he is not so much better than Marvin that it makes up for the 1st and the difference between Smith and Ray.

Plus the lineup would be in shambles. You either would have to go small:
Teague/ray/jj/green/horford
or mismatched
Teague/jj/green/horford/zaza with ray off the bench

Neither one of those is that good.

[Geaux_Hawks]

WOW!, LOL!... It is funny how fans of other teams have come here and basically have to tried to pry Josh Smith away for little value. The guy is 25 years old and can lead a team in BPG, SPG, and can put up 18 & 10 if he stays in the post more. On top of that, he can facilitate for others. So why would you just "dump" a player like him for?!?! Marvin is not a garbage player, but his salary is. The guy just got overpaid, thats all. Doesn't mean you have to attach your best assets to him, just to move him. I guess the Magic should attach Arenas to Dwight and take back as many expirings and mid-low prospects & picks as they can just because there will be a "supposedly" 45 million dollar hard cap..LMAO!!

IMHO, I think most people, including Hawks fans under-rate Marvin. As MaseCase stated, Marvin is probably better than Green and at the very least, they are the same, but yet Jeff will probably be wanting the same kind of deal Marvin got.

Now of course, Marvin should have gotten lesser, but that's another story. Still though, if he had been making about 4-5 million, then Marvin could probably fetch some pretty decent value. around the league. Many executives have reportedly said, Marvin's salary is whats keeping him from being traded. Outlaw is an albatross, Marvin is just overpaid slightly and playing on the wrong team.

[dms269]

I think most people hear only have selective reading. They only read "hawks for sale" and "Hawks close to luxury tax" or "hard cap, Hawks would be over" and assume since all of that is out there, it must be true, and since it must be true, the Hawks need to dump Smith.

[Ruhiel]

RE: The guy is 25 years old and can lead a team in BPG, SPG, and can put up 18 & 10 if he stays in the post more. On top of that, he can facilitate for others. So why would you just "dump" a player like him for?!?

1) He cant stay in the post more if you play him, Horford, Pachulia. Smith has to play outside
2) If he plays the , Marvin or Damien Wilkins is at the 3 and the Hawks suck on defense and offense.

catch 22,

[HMFFL]

RE: The guy is 25 years old and can lead a team in BPG, SPG, and can put up 18 & 10 if he stays in the post more. On top of that, he can facilitate for others. So why would you just "dump" a player like him for?!?

1) He cant stay in the post more if you play him, Horford, Pachulia. Smith has to play outside
2) If he plays the , Marvin or Damien Wilkins is at the 3 and the Hawks suck on defense and offense.

catch 22,

His career high is 8.7rpg. Saying he can average 10 if he stays in the post is a stretch. It's going to take more discipline for him to accomplish 10rpg, not just staying in the post, but sticking to the fundamentals, and doing the simple things like boxing his opponent out. The only thing Josh has proven is that his averages are declining and that he still needs to mature. I like Josh, but I find it very frustrating to watch him, and at times he drives us right into the ground.

[Ruhiel]

The question should be what you can get for "Smoove" an undersized tweener who needs a stretch 4 or a Paul Pierce type 3 just to overcome his own weaknesses.

If he ever averages 10 rebounds... your team is losing because hes playing way too many minutes.

Hawks have explored trading Smith. But you're getting garbage for various reasons. Now the Hawks can try to hold onto Josh and Horford and get some center not named Dwight...but eventually Horford, Milicic, Smith will lead to Josh wide open, clock winding down and he'll be forced to shoot it.

Hawks signed Marvin Williams, Josh and Horford AND Joe Johnson long term. Everyone knew this team was undersized and Smith cant shoot and JJ is the 3rd best player overall and Marvin Williams was a bust.

Everyone knew Smith was undersized JJ was not worth $120 million. Don't blame Smith/Marvin/Horford/Joe for Hawks management blunders.

everyone but management and some homers knew the extent that these individuals were 1-dimensional at certain areas low ceilings short of superstars and not a title team.

Who sucks more the core players for being weak shooters, slashers and playmakers, and undersized in the post on both sides etc etc or management for recognizing and not caring or not recognizing things that were obvious way back to 2007, 2008.