Josh Smith has two years left

[evildallas]

Most young players rely on physical advantages, Josh is no different. The key is to realize that you will eventually experience a drop off whether it be losing a step or maybe less explosive on the jump. It could happen solely with age or might get accelerated by injury. To enjoy a long productive career you need to develop technique and other skills. To his credit Josh works on that. He shot much better from outside last year, but over the course of the year it wasn't as good as you'd want for SF. Shawn Marion didn't adjust enough to be worth the big bucks at SF that he earned by being an undersized energy four. He can still play but speaking critically he's not giving the bang for the buck anymore.

For Josh to be a smart rehire at around $12M a year after this contract expires he needs to improve certain aspects of his game. If he doesn't then he'll be a bad contract and diminishing returns on the court. Might not happen year 1, but it will happen. I have faith in Josh to work hard, but I don't have faith in this organization to point him in the right direction. A decision has to be made before he reaches the end of his deal.

[Ruhiel]

RE: Josh is not a beast rolling to the basket and that's a screener fyi which was a great play at the time.

Clear out one side of the floor and Josh Smith PnR. Outside of transition this is when Smith is great offensively. He cuts to the basket and dunks or jumps into his man. There is contact at the rim and chance at a 3 point play.
The 2nd half of your sentence is unintelligible. At "what" time?

RE: Smith does not rely on athletcism as much as Marion. Why? Because he is far more talented. Smith got fat at didn't have elite athletcism last year, did he fall off? No, why because he is talented. Now Marion fell off when he lost his, why? Because his offense is based off of movement, athletcism, and timing. He still has excellent movement but his lost of athletcism killed his impact why it hurt Josh on defense but no much else where.

Marion just went through Durant and Lebron for a championship ring. He had less minutes but his impact and movement was there. Not saying he fell off

RE: If you are going to use youtube video as a source, then why isn't O.J. Mayo a superstar? You seems to have an understanding of measureables but a terrible understanding of skills and the importance of motion.

RE: You don't understand words yet either. I seen your post where you said Smith and Teague are PnR players. That was the dumbest sh.. I've heard yet. But you can learn. I will help just a tad.

Iirc I said Smith is best when Joe Johnson and Teague, are running the PnR. So if your name is not Paul, Deron, Rubio, etc you can't run the pick and roll?


The pick is the most used play by all guards. Whether you can shoot like Bibby, take it to the hoop like Westbrook or threaten to do it all and then dish like Nash. You are using a pick.

Teague gets a pick he tries to get to the rim. If 2 men are on him he passes the ball. Every pg uses the Pick.

Most teams run 3 out 2 in. If Smith is in Larry Drew had these perimeter guys to choose from: Kirk, Teague, Crawford, Johnson, Williams, Damien, Pape Sy. This causes defensive problems and the offense (all jump shooters) was not good enough to excel in the East.

So I can see Smith not running the PnR enough but we will need to see your list of PnR forwards before conceding Smith isn't a great PnR player.

[#1 pick]

Clear out one side of the floor and Josh Smith PnR. Outside of transition this is when Smith is great offensively. He cuts to the basket and dunks or jumps into his man. There is contact at the rim and chance at a 3 point play.

The whole post was so terrible that I will just quote this one paragraph and that's it. That wouldn't work. Most teams pick up the PnR after two successful attempts so once they do, Smith would then have to use movements, bbiq, and have a relible spot jumper to keep the defense guessing. The problem is, Smith has none of those and that would be the end of the PnR for the game. It's not that simple, this isn't HS or AAU Basketball. The NBA defenders are extremely crafty and well coached and coaches are making a lot of money to do just that. It's not that simple. That where you don't understand movement, skillset, and ability. That's why you think Jon Leuer is the next great thing or Travis Leslie is Dominique 2.0. You have no understanding in that regard. Your analysis will always be flawed because of it.

Josh Smith is terrible in PnR sitiuations, almost so that sometimes he succeeds by luck aka missing the pick. You must be very phyiscal to work as an extremely effective PnR finisher. Smith doesn't. Transition is clearly Smith #1 offensive strength. Smith other strength is the backdoor cut and putting himself in position for alley oops. He has a lot of talent as well on offense but lack of offensive bbiq, decision making, consistency, etc harm him so much you can overlook the strengths.

[Ruhiel]

4th options
Jon Leuer > Josh Childress > Marvin Williams > Damien Wilkins

Impact
Josh Smith, Jason Collins > Josh Smith, Marvin Williams

Ryan Andersen who can post up for an occasional hook shot. A 7 footer who can shoot 3s and do the Childress baseline dunk maybe hit a pull up jumper.

A good fundamentals player. Childress type role with a pull up jumper and he can play the PFs while Smith plays the SF. Unlike Marvin, unlike Childress. The Hawks are now big and have perimeter play.

6'8
7'0 (perimeter)
7'0
Thats what Leuer does.

RE: "You must be very phyiscal to work as an extremely effective PnR finisher."

Firstly I said great at clearing out one side and playing PnR. Secondly, "extremely effective" is some real hyperbole. Smith is great at playing inside.
Thirdly you don't know what you're talking about in regards to setting a pick or finishing.

PnR are all about moving your foot fast enough to get the inside track on the defense.

If you screen to hard then the defender sticks to you and unless you flat out knock him to the ground you cant slip and roll.

1st) Who are these guys who are "extremely effective" at PnRolling (Smith is only "great" at clear out wing PnRs)
2nd) Show us where they are being "very phyiscal" that leads to being an "extremely effective" PnR finisher.

[Ruhiel]

How many players are known for PnRs?

Deron Williams is a PnR PG but Nash is a Playmaker PG, along with Derrick Rose
but Chris Paul is BOTH a Playmaker PG and a PnR PG.

....
Lol at citing Bibby as the reason Horford can be elite. Horford was playing center. The spacing was different.
Doing Pick and Rolls up the Gut is different from doing it on the elbow/wing.

Anyway I asked who are the elite PnR FORWARDS that you are ranking with Horford. Yet saying Smith can't set a screen and "roll" with these FORWARDS because they are so physical or what not.

Who are they? Is Amare among them?