Hawks Better Find a way to Keep Crawford

[general]

Im not knocking the hawks for The Al horford signing That was understading,But since They messed up signing Joe They need to find a way to keep Crawford, You can find another defensive PF which is what Josh smith plays I mean sure he gets a few highlight Dunks and some times Blocks some shots help side But you can replace that Before you can Replace a 40point scorer off the bench who does even better stuff then joe and makes only Half if not less then that of what joe makes..ATL better Trade some pieces or there Going Backwards FAST...

[Ruhiel]

Dont think they need another defensive forward. They need a shooting one.

The Marvin signing was the absolute worst:
- Smith was clearly a tweener, you want him inside and matched up with big SFs,
- so pursue a big shooting PF
- Horford was clearly a tweener but he could be a defensive PF,
- so pursue a young shooting SF (clearly not Smith) but I guess they banked on Marvin becoming a Pierce type do it all player.

And only BIG time move you can get to competer is moving Horford's value for size shooting and size defense.


defensive guard: Jeffrey Teague
shooting guard: Joe Johnson
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big defensive forward: Josh Smith
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big shooting forward: Jon Leuer/Ryan Anderson
big defensive center: Andrew Bogut/Dwight Howard

Im still skeptical about Horford for superstar Dwight. But getting bigger with Bogut should be doable. Hopefully Bucks start off bad and we can get some guaranteed PT for Leuer whos overseas.

[dms269]

Im not knocking the hawks for The Al horford signing That was understading,But since They messed up signing Joe They need to find a way to keep Crawford, You can find another defensive PF which is what Josh smith plays I mean sure he gets a few highlight Dunks and some times Blocks some shots help side But you can replace that Before you can Replace a 40point scorer off the bench who does even better stuff then joe and makes only Half if not less then that of what joe makes..ATL better Trade some pieces or there Going Backwards FAST...

Finding a very good defensive forward who does have range and can score inside is not that easy to find. Finding a backup guard who shoots bad percentages is much much easier to find. Yes I would like to get Crawford back but at what cost?

[Superiorblogman]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

[D21]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

Why do I always have the feeling that ATL management doesn't know sign-&-trade.
I know it's not the easiest thing to do, but with ATL, it's always like it's not possible. So it's lost for nothing, or signed for twice they are worth.
I exagerate because both Horford and Smith are on good contract, but they were RFA, and with "limited" max contract (something guys like Rose will certainly be able to avoid with the new CBA).

I never like the idea of signing Crawford, because I never felt he was a best value for money than Murray. We are a bit better with Crawford than Murray, but it was not worth paying one spot 10M instead of 2M. The difference is usable elsewhere and would improve the team, even if I know you don't get that difference the easiest way, but by doing trades.

Crawford will certainly want a five years deal, and only ATL can give him, so he should be opened to a sign-&-trade.
If we had any chances to get Asik in a sign-&-trade, I would do it in a heartbeat, and sign someone like McGrady. We would clearly be better with McGrady and Asik, than with Crawford only (OK, we would have to get a bad contract with Asik).

[Superiorblogman]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

Why do I always have the feeling that ATL management doesn't know sign-&-trade.
I know it's not the easiest thing to do, but with ATL, it's always like it's not possible. So it's lost for nothing, or signed for twice they are worth.
I exagerate because both Horford and Smith are on good contract, but they were RFA, and with "limited" max contract (something guys like Rose will certainly be able to avoid with the new CBA).

I never like the idea of signing Crawford, because I never felt he was a best value for money than Murray. We are a bit better with Crawford than Murray, but it was not worth paying one spot 10M instead of 2M. The difference is usable elsewhere and would improve the team, even if I know you don't get that difference the easiest way, but by doing trades.

Crawford will certainly want a five years deal, and only ATL can give him, so he should be opened to a sign-&-trade.
If we had any chances to get Asik in a sign-&-trade, I would do it in a heartbeat, and sign someone like McGrady. We would clearly be better with McGrady and Asik, than with Crawford only (OK, we would have to get a bad contract with Asik).

I agree, but you know most disagreed with me when I expressed that sentiment last year. We paid Flip like $1.5 million compared to paying Jamal $10 mill plus. He did not improve the team as much as that big pay difference says he should have. Just like paying Hinrich $9 mill last year or $8 mill this year does not improve us significantly over giving Teague starter minutes and trading Hinrich for pieces. I don't really get this organization and why they complain about finances but never seem to use there assets correctly.

[dms269]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

Crawford doesn't exactly have a ton of trade value, which is part of the reason we were able to get him so cheaply. Most teams see his major faults: his lack of defense and his chucking. We wouldn't have gotten anything out of him other than possibly taking on a bad contract and just treating Jamal like an expiring contract.

[Superiorblogman]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

Crawford doesn't exactly have a ton of trade value, which is part of the reason we were able to get him so cheaply. Most teams see his major faults: his lack of defense and his chucking. We wouldn't have gotten anything out of him other than possibly taking on a bad contract and just treating Jamal like an expiring contract.

But he is all of a sudden a hot commodity now? Teams are wanting to do sign and trades so that they can lure him by more pay? I don't buy that for 1 second just does not go together. Chicago reportedly wanted Crawford last offseason when they were under the cap, meaning we could have done a uneven trade, got back a pick, a defensive upgrade in Bogan, and who knows what else since Asik was a unknown. Crawford had and has value. He is currently the hottest non Center name out there.

[Ruhiel]

A number of teams made calls to Crawford’s camp on Wednesday including the New Jersey Nets, New Orleans Hornets, Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, Phoenix Suns and Portland Trail Blazers, according to sources close to the situation.

ugh we need a decent slashing shooter with PF/C size for Al and Josh but the choices amongst these guys... old Brian Cardinal, soft Channing Frye, 6'9 Luke Babbitt?

Lakers are surprising. They have nothing to offer but backup downgrades.

[dms269]

Crawford should have been traded last year for future assets just like Hinrich should be traded this year for future assets or someone that can actually change the makeup of this team. I hate to lose such a big piece and get nothing back but it is almost crying over spoiled milk. Yes, I said spoiled not spilled. You let the milk sit there and spoil. You knew time was running out on the expiration date. No sense in crying over it now. The ASG and Sund have proven time and time again that they are incompetent, nothing new.

Crawford doesn't exactly have a ton of trade value, which is part of the reason we were able to get him so cheaply. Most teams see his major faults: his lack of defense and his chucking. We wouldn't have gotten anything out of him other than possibly taking on a bad contract and just treating Jamal like an expiring contract.

But he is all of a sudden a hot commodity now? Teams are wanting to do sign and trades so that they can lure him by more pay? I don't buy that for 1 second just does not go together. Chicago reportedly wanted Crawford last offseason when they were under the cap, meaning we could have done a uneven trade, got back a pick, a defensive upgrade in Bogan, and who knows what else since Asik was a unknown. Crawford had and has value. He is currently the hottest non Center name out there.

I just don't believe his value is as high as you seem to think. His lack of D is a killer for some teams. He is a chucker, just look at his percentages. He isn't exactly well liked by Chicago or New York fans for those reasons exactly. Chicago might have given up a pick, a crappy pick, but no way they would have given up Asik. Teams don't usually give up prospects they are high on. Would be like us giving up Teague, just doesn't happen for mediocre upgrades.

I don't think he is such a hot commodity now honestly. Yes teams are interested, but it is because he is a free agent, not because he is this stud player every team wants. He is a solid backup SG who can shoot, of course teams are going to be interested.

[Superiorblogman]

I definitely don't think he has high value don't mistake what I am trying to communicate, but he was worth too much to us to let him walk without getting anything though I think that will be the resolution. I would have sent him to a Chicago team under the cap for Bogans and a 1st. Any 1st round pick we get out of him would be nice to me. Of course I would rather have a C. Remember we don't set the value the market does. We overpay our own now it's time to get overpaid for them. Why are we only skeptical about us getting the good end of the stick sometimes? We overpaid to keep Marvin, Joe, and Zaza and we overpaid to get Hinrich. Why so skeptical about us getting over on someone for a change?

[truehawksfan121]

The hawks should let Crawford go. He don't run plays and refuses to play any defense. Last year he stop attacking the rim and when his shots stop falling we got killed with him on the court. Jamal always want to go 1 on 1. A person like him killed the chemistry on the team. he never take good shots. they are always contested and never from the play the coach is trying to get the team to run. Its hard to get people to buy in defensively when u have someone who is not even trying to play defense. I think josh smith got upset when he got criticize for his shot selection when Jamal take bad shots too, and let his man go by him all the time. I mean its crazy that they let him take the second most shots on the team with him only play 25 to 30 minutes a game. Thats who Jamal been since got into the league. it is the same reason why Chicago, New york, and golden state gave up on him. I thought with him older and playing on a winning team for the first time that he would change his old habits. Now he would have gotten his extension last year if he would have made an effort to play defense. the hawks didn't need him to be a lock down defender, they needed him not to let the man go by u. He is a great shooter the hawks didn't mind him taking all them shots. They just needed him to play with in the offense and take easier shots

[Ruhiel]

GL to Jamal and his family. Wish us well because we may have just signed a cancer.