Hawks Targeting Ray Allen/Lux. Tax? Blowing Smoke?

[Ruhiel]

Double Dribbles

— As an aside, the Hawks have only six players under contract. So on top of the draft, they expect to be active in the free-agent market come July. Of the players under contract, Smith and Zaza Pachulia enter the season in the final year of their deals. Also, Williams has a player option next summer.

— Don’t be surprised if the Hawks make a run at former Sixth Man of the Year Jamal Crawford, who spent the past season with the Trail Blazers. Ray Allen (Celtics) and Alonzo Gee (Cavs) are also said to be on their radar.

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Pretty intriguing news. If they sign Ray Allen for Joe Johnson's backup that's tops in the league. But Gee is intriguing as the Hawks haven't had a 2 way backup guard for a while.

The way I see it the Hawks would be better off signing Gee and embracing defense because Larry Drew might see Ray Allen and just say go make shots. And seeing Drew tell Allen to go out and defend is pretty ridiculous.

If you can sign Ray Allen and still instill a defensive culture (draft a center) would be better. Otherwise its just overkill and you're susceptible to injury like 2011-2012.



Teague, ?PG
Johnson, Allen (This would be hands down, the best shooting guard rotation in the league).
Smith, Williams (nice rotation anti-Lebron, anti-Pierce, anti-Durant)
Horford, ?PF
Melo, Pachulia

Already Signed: Teague, Johnson, Smith, Horford, Williams, Pachulia = $60,921,971

or $60.9M

Yet to be signed:
Ray Allen: $4M(?)
PF: ? $1.3 million for Ivan Johnson? or less for a 2nd rounder
Fab Melo: $1.3 million, rookie scale for #23 pick.
$6.6M

Total $67.5M with a backup PG yet to be signed and the minimum roster 13 yet to be filled.

So are the Hawks going to go into the luxury tax before the season? It would be nice to see.

[evildallas]

Intriguing or insane. Ray Allen is a solid guy but he was really broken down in the playoffs. I'm not sure he'd pass a physical at the start of the season. If we're going to sign something from Boston I'd go after KG to see if he can't impact the defensive intensity of the squad.

Jamal Crawford???? WHY? He's expensive instant offense of the bench, he's an iso player who doesn't improve those around him, and he's a horrible defender. The biggest reason to avoid is that we know from experience that his offense doesn't work well in the playoffs because the refs allow it to be more physical on defense. Crawford struggled horribly in the playoffs. Resigning him is the worst idea I'm heard this offseason.

I don't know much about Alonzo Gee. I'd hear good things about him, but whenever the Cavs played the Hawks I didn't see much to be interested in.

By the way, even if we do draft Fab Melo, the starter should be Zaza. Melo needs time to adjust to the NBA game by logging minutes against the 2nd team centers. Zaza proved this year that he can start even if the matchups aren't that favorable for him against some teams. With Al and Josh on the floor with him his limitations will be hidden better and he'll still provide the interior toughness we missed during the Boston series.

[monsterblock]

i made a thread about Kidd coming to the Hawks, but Ray Allen, i just don't see him wanting to come to the Hawks, but great if he does.

i thought their is a slight possibility of Kidd wanting to come to the Hawks, because the Hawks are built like the old Nets team with just alot of running and dunking, defense, and 3pt shooting..... as for Ray, i always image that he would want to go to a half court type of team like the Spurs.

i don't think Ray would come to Atlanta, but great if he does.

[Ruhiel]

i made a thread about Kidd coming to the Hawks, but Ray Allen, i just don't see him wanting to come to the Hawks, but great if he does.

i thought their is a slight possibility of Kidd wanting to come to the Hawks, because the Hawks are built like the old Nets team with just alot of running and dunking, defense, and 3pt shooting..... as for Ray, i always image that he would want to go to a half court type of team like the Spurs.

i don't think Ray would come to Atlanta, but great if he does.

Hawks don't do a lot of dunking actually, and it's kind of hard to run without rebounding, as it would be if you played Kidd, Johnson and Teague.
Obviously would be better for the team chemistry short term and long term as far as Teague's development.

But you have to rebuild or rebrand the Hawks as more trustworthy. Showing him the roster and saying we need help to run an offense with lots of big men in Joe Smith Horford and Smith.

He said playing hard and toughness were what attracted him to the Bulls. I doubt that you could entice Kidd by saying you want to run up and down and spread the floor and shoot 3s and have him bring back his glory days of the Nets when he had to carry a team. You have to give players a small role and know that there is a high % that they'll hope they a) meet expectations b) excel.

And as far as Zaza vs Melo. Melo starting would be to learn on the fly its flexible of course but the sooner he can hold his own with the starters the better. Zaza is a nice starter and might be the best backup center in the league. But Melo would get up to speed playing a lot of minutes with the starters.
You have Teague, Joe, Josh, and Al Horford who draw attention. The center Just has to catch and finish.
So talent wise with Zaza starting sometimes that's overkill, whereas the bench is drained.
Zaza would get the nod vs Dwight and Bynum etc. but against worse teams Melo should get a lot of minutes.

Kidd-Gee-Marvin-Ivan-Zaza

[monsterblock]

i made a thread about Kidd coming to the Hawks, but Ray Allen, i just don't see him wanting to come to the Hawks, but great if he does.

i thought their is a slight possibility of Kidd wanting to come to the Hawks, because the Hawks are built like the old Nets team with just alot of running and dunking, defense, and 3pt shooting..... as for Ray, i always image that he would want to go to a half court type of team like the Spurs.

i don't think Ray would come to Atlanta, but great if he does.

Hawks don't do a lot of dunking actually, and it's kind of hard to run without rebounding, as it would be if you played Kidd, Johnson and Teague.
Obviously would be better for the team chemistry short term and long term as far as Teague's development.

But you have to rebuild or rebrand the Hawks as more trustworthy. Showing him the roster and saying we need help to run an offense with lots of big men in Joe Smith Horford and Smith.

He said playing hard and toughness were what attracted him to the Bulls. I doubt that you could entice Kidd by saying you want to run up and down and spread the floor and shoot 3s and have him bring back his glory days of the Nets when he had to carry a team. You have to give players a small role and know that there is a high % that they'll hope they a) meet expectations b) excel.

And as far as Zaza vs Melo. Melo starting would be to learn on the fly its flexible of course but the sooner he can hold his own with the starters the better. Zaza is a nice starter and might be the best backup center in the league. But Melo would get up to speed playing a lot of minutes with the starters.
You have Teague, Joe, Josh, and Al Horford who draw attention. The center Just has to catch and finish.
So talent wise with Zaza starting sometimes that's overkill, whereas the bench is drained.
Zaza would get the nod vs Dwight and Bynum etc. but against worse teams Melo should get a lot of minutes.

Kidd-Gee-Marvin-Ivan-Zaza

Yes they do............. When Horford is Healthy

[Jamaaliver]

If the ASG is gonna go into the luxury tax for a year or two, it needs to be in a big, splashy move that grabs headlines and takes a real shot on a title run with a head coach able to get us over the hump.

Gasol, Howard, Deron.

Not on a few minor pieces that keep us irrelevant and an inept coach on the last year of his contract.

[HMFFL]

Alonzo Gee interest me the most. I'd love to have Ray Allen, but it's not going to happen.

[MaceCase]

Not buying the Ray or even Jamal hype. Similar tease to KMart, Rasheed, Shaq, Ilgauskas etc. Management will say they are courting these guys but they won't make the salary commitment to even give them a competitive offer unless they stack em all up on minimum deals.