If were starting over....start over!!

geeman · Post #1 » by **geeman** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 9:03 pm

How many of you guys would do a trade centered around:

Al Horford for DeMarcus Cousins?

Yungsta404 · Post #2 » by **Yungsta404** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 9:48 pm

not me. He is a knucklehead that I want no part of.

Post #3 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 9:57 pm

NO! DeMarcus has talent. But he's not a guy you build a franchise around. Guys like that get GMs and coaches fired.
Also, ATL is the kind of city he'd find trouble in. (Compared to San Antonio, Sacramento, Charlotte, Toronto)

I LOVE AL, but if we must start over, it might be prudent to at least see what we could get for him. A top 5 pick? A
younger Big Man perhaps (but one more stable than Cousins)

I don't want AL's best years to come on a last place rebuilding squad.

geeman · Post #4 » by **geeman** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 10:29 pm

What if, we could get a third team with asset ( and would like a s&T with josh). Would you feel different with him next to AL. That would be a nice front line!!

parson · Post #5 » by **parson** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 11:23 pm

DeMarcus Cousins would be a return to the "will he grow up today?" nightmares we've faced for 9 years. I will always love Josh Smith - and I still think he could be a major, major star - but I don't want to take on another headcase.

Now, in a few years, when we've assembled a group of solid-headed veterans who can ride herd on one headcase...

GrimeyKidd · Post #6 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 12:28 am

Rather keep horford than this.

Post #7 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 2:12 am

I said before that I'd do Horford for Cousins but I'm not looking for us to rebuild, Miami's about to fall apart and there's not much competition in the east after next year (which is when I'm predicting the big 3 opt out) other than Indiana and maybe Chicago. If we can get Paul or Dwight or assemble a denver type team we should compete in the east.

Post #8 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 2:48 am

parson wrote:DeMarcus Cousins would be a return to the "will he grow up today?" nightmares we've faced for 9 years. I will always love Josh Smith - and I still think he could be a major, major star - but I don't want to take on another headcase.

Truer words have never been spoken.

tcorbin · Post #9 » by **tcorbin** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 7:19 am

Jamaaliver wrote:NO! DeMarcus has talent. But he's not a guy you build a franchise around. Guys like that get GMs and coaches fired.
Also, ATL is the kind of city he'd find trouble in. (Compared to San Antonio, Sacramento, Charlotte, Toronto)

I LOVE AL, but if we must start over, it might be prudent to at least see what we could get for him. A top 5 pick? A
younger Big Man perhaps (but one more stable than Cousins)

I don't want AL's best years to come on a last place rebuilding squad.

He is not even talented. He shoots .450FG% for a center and is 10 times worst at taking long jump shots, than Josh. He is really bad in the clutch, rarely converting and 3.0 turn overs per game. Below average defender and just an average rebounder with 9.0rpg

Post #10 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 2:56 pm

tcorbin wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:NO! DeMarcus has talent. But he's not a guy you build a franchise around. Guys like that get GMs and coaches fired.
Also, ATL is the kind of city he'd find trouble in. (Compared to San Antonio, Sacramento, Charlotte, Toronto)

I LOVE AL, but if we must start over, it might be prudent to at least see what we could get for him. A top 5 pick? A
younger Big Man perhaps (but one more stable than Cousins)

I don't want AL's best years to come on a last place rebuilding squad.

He is not even talented. He shoots .450FG% for a center and is 10 times worst at taking long jump shots, than Josh. He is really bad in the clutch, rarely converting and 3.0 turn overs per game. Below average defender and just an average rebounder with 9.0rpg

Cousins is a huge headcase but there is no way that you can argue his talent, and lol at saying that his jump shot is worse than Smith's, it's a lot more consistent. 9.0 is above average, expecially for a very young C. He needs the right coach and a locker room full of Vets, if you give him that he'll become a top 3 C.

jagstang76 · Post #11 » by **jagstang76** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 5:39 pm

Cousins may have potential, but Horford is already providing excellent production and is still young. He's by no means a superstar, but he is a fantastic building block for this team. I think we could legitimately bring back Teague and Korver plus a couple other contributors, and then add a real star at the 2, 3, or 5 and be a real contender. Of course, we just have any fillers and expect greatness. We need the right players. But I think there's a good chance.

SJSF · Post #12 » by **SJSF** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 6:22 pm

You can't ever start over in basketball. It's not like you are ever gutting your whole roster. It's all about getting that one maybe two players. And then your set for ten years. The Sixers haven't had a true franchise guy since the real AI left. If the Sixers can land a franchise guy and then add a Jrue and Thad and maybe a another role guy. We would be lucky. But hopefully we can get value for Bynum with a ST deal.

Post #13 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 8:10 pm

SJSF wrote:You can't ever start over in basketball. It's not like you are ever gutting your whole roster.

I'd disagree with you there. In the last 12 months we've dumped every player except Horford. Changed coaches. GM. Marketing staff. Sales Staff. Public relations staff.

Dozens have been let go.

Only Horford remains.

That's starting over.

And even he might not survive the rebuild.

MaceCase · Post #14 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 8:55 pm

SJSF wrote:You can't ever start over in basketball. It's not like you are ever gutting your whole roster. It's all about getting that one maybe two players. And then your set for ten years. The Sixers haven't had a true franchise guy since the real AI left. If the Sixers can land a franchise guy and then add a Jrue and Thad and maybe a another role guy. We would be lucky. But hopefully we can get value for Bynum with a ST deal.

Well you are right in that the NBA is not like baseball where you can have an all out firesale sending your productive but well paid vets out for nothing more than minor league prospects but that's mainly because there is a salary cap. You can't just dump contracts on any team willing to take them on and you can't run a threadbare salaried team because there are also constraints on the minimum amount you can spend on your rosters.

This means that you usually see an exchange of salaries of varying length but many teams have started over. The JailBlazers for instance. Even the post Malice' Pacers where they traded off Artest, JO, and Stephen Jackson then told Jamal Tinsley not to show up for 2 years. The biggest hurdle is always getting the salary off the books but the Hawks have already cleared that with only one longterm salary remaining and that is for the very valuable Horford. The Hawks can put a complete new team around him or they can move him for prospects to really begin anew. Possibilities are endless.

jagstang76 · Post #15 » by **jagstang76** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 9:49 pm

Mace is right, when Hawks are at the point of completely rebuilding and will only hang onto the the guys they want. The biggest trick this offseason is getting the RIGHT people to fill the roster. You can't just sign a bunch of guys to 1 yr deals. You are going to have to commit to someone and pray they work out. Perhaps we can trade Josh and get back a couple guys that give us options for the future. Other than that, Ferry is going to have to be flawless in order to turn it around in the next season or two. Otherwise, we are looking at a 3 yr process at least to allow for transitional players to move on and open up room for better options.