Anyone hear Josh Smith on 92.9 the Game this morning?

[parson]

Lol, @1$. Josh Smith will surprise a lot of people this coming season. He's going to be playing with 2 quality bigs and a scoring PG for the first time in his career. I highly doubt he'll be a bust in Detroit,

He's played with Al Horford and Joe Johnson, both better than anyone y'all can trot out. His PGs have been Mike Bibby and Jeff Teague. Yours is a car wreck waiting to happen.

The problem with Smith is that he will - simultaneously - be your best and worst player. Not only is he determined to keep his dumb shot choices, he's PROUD of them.

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[Jamaaliver]

Lol, @1$. Josh Smith will surprise a lot of people this coming season. He's going to be playing with 2 quality bigs and a scoring PG for the first time in his career. I highly doubt he'll be a bust in Detroit,

He's played with Al Horford and Joe Johnson, both better than anyone y'all can trot out. His PGs have been Mike Bibby and Jeff Teague. Yours is a car wreck waiting to happen.

While I won't be as harsh as parson regarding the makeup of Detroit's roster, we've had almost a decade of watching Josh up close. During that time he's been a serious point of contention for fans, coaches and was part of a very notable rift in our locker room during the early part of his tenure.

On the court, he's been one of the most inefficient PFs in the NBA. Leading our team in turnovers, 3-pt attempts, team suspensions and boneheaded plays. We've stated for years that he needed a strong, well respected head coach and a veteran locker room to help keep him in-line.

Time will tell how he works out for you guys, but it does not appear to be an ideal fit for the Pistons. Not on the court. Not in the locker room. And as Monroe and Drummond come into their own, Josh has not shown the maturity to defer to less established players...even if they are of greater talent, production, importance.

Come back throughout the season and let us know how it goes. I'm predicting your fans will start booing Josh and his jumpshot around Feb. It'll be all downhill from there.

[Jamaaliver]

And with adding Mo Cheeks, Jennings and Josh....you have to at least admit there is the potential for dysfunction.

None of these guys are proven winners.

[+1AllDay]

Lol, @1$. Josh Smith will surprise a lot of people this coming season. He's going to be playing with 2 quality bigs and a scoring PG for the first time in his career. I highly doubt he'll be a bust in Detroit,

He's played with Al Horford and Joe Johnson, both better than anyone y'all can trot out. His PGs have been Mike Bibby and Jeff Teague. Yours is a car wreck waiting to happen.

The problem with Smith is that he will - simultaneously - be your best and worst player. Not only is he determined to keep his dumb shot choices, he's PROUD of them.

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Hortford is indeed good, but I think me and you can agree that his natural position is at PF. He's been playing out of position for years. Monroe and Drummond are both 6'11 and both are playing there natural position. Joe Johnson is a beast, no arguing with that. Jennings is better than Teague or Bibby. Jennings problem was that he had to chuck because nobody else on his team was scoring. If you take a look at Jennings stats at the end last season when he and Ellis started to mesh, he averaged a higher FG% and around 15pts and 8.7ast. I'm hoping we'll see those numbers being that Jennings will have plenty of options in Detroit.

I hear what you're saying about Smith, but our team is totally different compared to the Hawks. We're extremely young and we have 2 talented bigs that played great together last season.

[+1AllDay]

Come back throughout the season and let us know how it goes. I'm predicting your fans will start booing Josh and his jumpshot around Feb. It'll be all downhill from there.

Definitely, I'll make sure I do that bro.

And with adding Mo Cheeks, Jennings and Josh....you have to at least admit there is the potential for dysfunction.

None of these guys are proven winners.

That's the Piston way! We take on players who the league has given up on and we make them into winners. Look at Billups, RaSheed(everyone thought he was a headcase), and Ben Wallace. Even look at the draft selection of Drummond. Everyone thought Drummond would be a bust! Signing Smith and trading for Jennings is basically a traditional Dumars move. I have no comment referring to Cheeks, I wanted Hollins...

[Jamaaliver]

And with adding Mo Cheeks, Jennings and Josh....you have to at least admit there is the potential for dysfunction.

None of these guys are proven winners.

That's the Piston way! We take on players who the league has given up on and we make them into winners. Look at Billups, RaSheed(everyone thought he was a headcase), and Ben Wallace.

...and Allen Iverson, and Rodney Stuckey, and Charlie Villanueva, and Ben Gordon, and Lawrence Frank, John Kuester, and Michael Curry. Those guys did NOT work out as well.

I like you guys' young talent...a lot. But let's be honest; Joe Dumars' moves over the last 5 years haven't yielded nearly the same success as his early ones that you mentioned above.

[Jamaaliver]

Jennings is better than Teague... Jennings problem was that he had to chuck because nobody else on his team was scoring.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. There's a reason Jennings found 0 takers on the free agent market this summer.

But I'll leave that analysis to the Milwaukee Bucks fans. They were more than happy to be rid of him.

Overwhelmingly happy.

Ecstatic, even.

[parson]

Lol, @1$. Josh Smith will surprise a lot of people this coming season. He's going to be playing with 2 quality bigs and a scoring PG for the first time in his career. I highly doubt he'll be a bust in Detroit,

He's played with Al Horford and Joe Johnson, both better than anyone y'all can trot out. His PGs have been Mike Bibby and Jeff Teague. Yours is a car wreck waiting to happen.

The problem with Smith is that he will - simultaneously - be your best and worst player. Not only is he determined to keep his dumb shot choices, he's PROUD of them.

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Hortford is indeed good, but I think me and you can agree that his natural position is at PF. He's been playing out of position for years. Monroe and Drummond are both 6'11 and both are playing there natural position. Joe Johnson is a beast, no arguing with that. Jennings is better than Teague or Bibby. Jennings problem was that he had to chuck because nobody else on his team was scoring. If you take a look at Jennings stats at the end last season when he and Ellis started to mesh, he averaged a higher FG% and around 15pts and 8.7ast. I'm hoping we'll see those numbers being that Jennings will have plenty of options in Detroit.

I hear what you're saying about Smith, but our team is totally different compared to the Hawks. We're extremely young and we have 2 talented bigs that played great together last season.

Didn't mean to come across as so hard on the Pistons, just wanted to point out that Smith's had good players beside him and he's had good PGs, yet he still managed to learn to shoot a maddeningly number of long 2s. And, on your young team - where he'll be a veteran - who is going to tell him ... well, anything?

Matter-of-fact, with 2 post players beside him, what's to stop him from acting like Carmello Anthony? [You just think I'm joking]

I'm serious when I say you're going to love him and hate him. Eventually, you'll get tired of the swings.

[Yungsta404]

tired of hearing the excuses that josh needs a good coach, veterans, needs more talent around him etc. None of that will matter unless he changes himself and be willing to start listening. If he doesnt then nothing will change.

[+1AllDay]

And with adding Mo Cheeks, Jennings and Josh....you have to at least admit there is the potential for dysfunction.

None of these guys are proven winners.

That's the Piston way! We take on players who the league has given up on and we make them into winners. Look at Billups, RaSheed(everyone thought he was a headcase), and Ben Wallace.

...and Allen Iverson, and Rodney Stuckey, and Charlie Villanueva, and Ben Gordon, and Lawrence Frank, John Kuester, and Michael Curry. Those guys did NOT work out as well.

I like you guys' young talent...a lot. But let's be honest; Joe Dumars' moves over the last 5 years haven't yielded nearly the same success as his early ones that you mentioned above.

Iverson- We know he had personal problems at the end of his career, but without a doubt he'll enter the hall of fame. If he agreed to come off the bench he could have had a a successful year in Detroit. We traded for Iverson to start to rebuilding process. Iverson was a huge expiring and our team was about to be sold. Dumars knew we had bad-times ahead of us!
Stuckey- He's a decent player, he's just not starting material
Charlie V- smh...
Ben Gordon- We both know that Gordon was incredible with the Bulls, who in the world would have known he would have come to Detroit and become a bust. Gordon averaged over 20ppg twice with the Bulls, Dumars was doing a good job paying for talent like that. After Gordon's 1st season in Detroit he had ankle surgery, which I think affected his lateral and overall speed. No excuse though.
Frank- bum...
Kuester- big-time bum...
Curry- Say what you want, but he did take us to the playoffs...

In conclusion, signing players that don't work out and picking coaches who don't work out is all about being a GM. You win some and you lose some, but you don't give up and just tank for a 1st overall pick like the Cavs.

Jennings is better than Teague... Jennings problem was that he had to chuck because nobody else on his team was scoring.

We'll have to agree to disagree there. There's a reason Jennings found 0 takers on the free agent market this summer.

Agreed

[+1AllDay]

He's played with Al Horford and Joe Johnson, both better than anyone y'all can trot out. His PGs have been Mike Bibby and Jeff Teague. Yours is a car wreck waiting to happen.

The problem with Smith is that he will - simultaneously - be your best and worst player. Not only is he determined to keep his dumb shot choices, he's PROUD of them.

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Hortford is indeed good, but I think me and you can agree that his natural position is at PF. He's been playing out of position for years. Monroe and Drummond are both 6'11 and both are playing there natural position. Joe Johnson is a beast, no arguing with that. Jennings is better than Teague or Bibby. Jennings problem was that he had to chuck because nobody else on his team was scoring. If you take a look at Jennings stats at the end last season when he and Ellis started to mesh, he averaged a higher FG% and around 15pts and 8.7ast. I'm hoping we'll see those numbers being that Jennings will have plenty of options in Detroit.

I hear what you're saying about Smith, but our team is totally different compared to the Hawks. We're extremely young and we have 2 talented bigs that played great together last season.

Didn't mean to come across as so hard on the Pistons, just wanted to point out that Smith's had good players beside him and he's had good PGs, yet he still managed to learn to shoot a maddeningly number of long 2s. And, on your young team - where he'll be a veteran - who is going to tell him ... well, anything?

Matter-of-fact, with 2 post players beside him, what's to stop him from acting like Carmello Anthony? [You just think I'm joking]

I'm serious when I say you're going to love him and hate him. Eventually, you'll get tired of the swings.

I understand what you're saying and I didn't think you were being mean at all. We're having a good conversation in my eyes...I like hearing and reading other posters views of players. I'm hoping Smith can take advantage of being in a new situation. We're looking for Smith to defend more than score. When we traded TayShaun Prince to the Grizzlies and put Kyle Singler in the starting line-up we were abused on a nightly basis. That's why we're so open to having Smith play the 3, because even though he isn't the best fit at the 3, he's better than what we've had. Then when you throw in the idea that he can play the 4 whenever Monroe and Drummond need a rest, that sounds like a versatile line-up that can hit opposing teams from different angles.

[parson]

He's a pretty good defender at the 3 - and that was something most Hawks fans never expected 9 years ago. He can stay in front of some of the best offensive talents at SF. Yeah, Carmello Anthony got his but Smith made him shoot over him to earn those points. His shotblocking is trending down, but I think that's because he's focusing more on staying on his feet. Also, we've noticed he's not dunking as much. Again, that's probably due to his maturing. Or maybe he just got bored with us.

[Yungsta404]

Hes doesnt dunk alot anymore cause he isnt as athletic as he once was. He doesnt get as much lift as he use to. This is very noticeable when watching some old clips of him.


edit:
I also noticed he doesnt get off the ground as quickly either so that could explain his decline in blocks. I remember he use to average nearly 3 blocks a game.

In this clip you can really see how athletic he use to be.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4IJN7Nj1Dk[/youtube]

[No-Man]

Ill bet you any amount of money (like 1$) that Josh Smith will be a bust for you in 2 years.

He will not be an All Star for Detroit

Lol, @1$. Josh Smith will surprise a lot of people this coming season. He's going to be playing with 2 quality bigs and a scoring PG for the first time in his career. I highly doubt he'll be a bust in Detroit, I respect your opinion though.

Al Horford is better than any big Detroit have.
Joe Johnson is better than any wing player Detroit have.
Teague is better than Jennings.

Seriously man.

[Jamaaliver]

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