The sacrifice of one man offers harmony to this board.

parson · Post #1 » by **parson** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:55 pm

The injury to Brook Lopez means there is now no reason for the "tank" crowd and the "never give up" fans to argue. Both sides can agree we should play as hard as we can, trying to win games ... AND that we should watch the Nets.

This way, both sides can claim to be "right" when we start winning playoff games. The tankers can say it was the high lottery talent we added, while those wanting to build can say we improved our play the right way.

Maybe, in February, this could become a watch-the-draft thread, as in, "who are we gonna draft?"

I'll start it: as I've said before, I want Joel Embiid.

Post #2 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:20 pm

Hard to believe how amazing that Joe Johnson trade has the potential to turn out to be. Not only did Ferry shed that albatross contract without taking back anything long term, but he also got us a First round pick in 2013 (the Rockets pick, which turned out to be Bebe), and now we have the right to swap picks in both 2014 and 2015! One of which, or both of which, could be lotto picks, and this upcoming draft class is the one you want a lotto pick in. All for Joe Johnson! That untraceable asset which we were stuck with for years to come. We have the potential to get more from the Joe trade than what OKC or Orlando got for Harden or Dwight.

Add in the other trades Ferry's made: dumping off the Marvin deal, and getting Korver for free, if he hits a homerun in this draft and with our upcoming cap space in a couple years, he has a chance to go down in history as quite possibly the best GM in Hawks history. But, then again, I'm getting ahead of myself.

parson · Post #3 » by **parson** » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:32 pm

And then, there's 2015 ...

An entire board filled with guys saying, "I told you so."

SBM · Post #4 » by **SBM** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:12 am

I am still not a part of the Ferry deserves a statue fan club. Hate Brooks got hurt but happy it may put us closer to a lottery pick. At the end of the day, you can't count on this type of stuff. This is pure luck as on talent alone the Nets are clearly better than us. My point remains we need to add to our team now that things are falling our way. This is not our doing this is luck.

atlantabbq99 · Post #5 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:00 am

ATL Boy wrote:Hard to believe how amazing that Joe Johnson trade has the potential to turn out to be. Not only did Ferry shed that albatross contract without taking back anything long term, but he also got us a First round pick in 2013 (the Rockets pick, which turned out to be Bebe), and now we have the right to swap picks in both 2014 and 2015! One of which, or both of which, could be lotto picks, and this upcoming draft class is the one you want a lotto pick in. All for Joe Johnson! That untraceable asset which we were stuck with for years to come. We have the potential to get more from the Joe trade than what OKC or Orlando got for Harden or Dwight.

Add in the other trades Ferry's made: dumping off the Marvin deal, and getting Korver for free, if he hits a homerun in this draft and with our upcoming cap space in a couple years, he has a chance to go down in history as quite possibly the best GM in Hawks history. But, then again, I'm getting ahead of myself.

If the Hawks get a top 3 pick (maybe in both years), and that pick becomes a hall of famer, this could be the greatest trade in NBA history, or possibly up there with the Bill Russel trade or Magic Johnson trade.

atlantabbq99 · Post #6 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:14 am

I want to get Exum or Wiggins, for the simple fact that the Hawks would have one cool international roster......

Nogueira - Brazil
Horford - Dominican Republic
Wiggins - Canada
Korver - USA
Schröder - Germany

No, but for real, Parker is the safe pick. Wiggins looks amazing, but their are a few similarities between Wiggins and Marvin right now that doesn't look good.

parson · Post #7 » by **parson** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:03 pm

SBM wrote:I am still not a part of the Ferry deserves a statue fan club. Hate Brooks got hurt but happy it may put us closer to a lottery pick. At the end of the day, you can't count on this type of stuff. This is pure luck as on talent alone the Nets are clearly better than us. My point remains we need to add to our team now that things are falling our way. This is not our doing this is luck.

If you ask ORL fans, they'll say their GM refused to take Lopez (in a Dwight Howard trade) because he feared Lopez's foot was chronic. Alot of people knew BKN's situation was precarious. Just because YOU didn't know doesn't mean others didn't.

Ferry gambled, yes, so luck was involved, but it was a calculated gamble.

It may turn out to be a franchise-changing gamble.

MaceCase · Post #8 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:21 pm

When you looked at the Brooklyn team you saw a win now team, something rather evident from the Wallace and Johnson trades. That timeframe only became even more limited once they picked up even older players on worse contracts. So negotiating a deal that would give you draft pick considerations a whole 3 years into the future isn't exactly a shot in the dark.

In the NBA it's rather well known that 30 year olds decline considerably and of their two younger players one has chronic ankle problems and the other is a big man with a previous foot injury...which are only the second worst thing to have next to a knee injury as Yao Ming and Zydrunas Ilgauskas will attest.

We can say that Ferry definitely saw a situation where the Hawks would have a better record than the Nets and I'm sure he accounted for the possibility that they'd be in the lottery as well.

SBM · Post #9 » by **SBM** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:29 pm

parson wrote:
SBM wrote:I am still not a part of the Ferry deserves a statue fan club. Hate Brooks got hurt but happy it may put us closer to a lottery pick. At the end of the day, you can't count on this type of stuff. This is pure luck as on talent alone the Nets are clearly better than us. My point remains we need to add to our team now that things are falling our way. This is not our doing this is luck.

If you ask ORL fans, they'll say their GM refused to take Lopez (in a Dwight Howard trade) because he feared Lopez's foot was chronic. Alot of people knew BKN's situation was precarious. Just because YOU didn't know doesn't mean others didn't.

Ferry gambled, yes, so luck was involved, but it was a calculated gamble.

It may turn out to be a franchise-changing gamble.

Who says I didn't know it other than you. I know Brook had been hurt, but that does not mean lottery for a team in win now mode with Paul Pierce, KG, Deron, and Joe. Those are still four perennial all-stars. On talent alone this team belongs in the playoffs just like the Lakers from last year belonged.

parson · Post #10 » by **parson** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:58 am

You called it "pure luck." What else does that mean?

SBM · Post #11 » by **SBM** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:06 am

It is pure luck. Ferry didn't do anything but play his card and it may or may not hit. You can say well he knew to play that card because it had hit before or anything else you want to see but the truth is at the beginning of the season the overwhelming majority thought that the Nets would be a playoff team and on talent alone they should be.

HornetJail · Post #12 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:14 am

I envy you guys. A pick like this would be a dream come true for us Horncats fans. A top 10 pick in a stacked draft like this one for one of the worst contracts in the NBA. That's an enormous asset for you guys.