4/2 Bulls at Hawks

[DirtybirdGA]

[PandaKidd]

will be in the house, wood be nice for an upset

[Jamaaliver]

AND WE'RE out of the playoffs and into the lottery!!!!!

[Rip2137]

I said this in the other thread, but again, no we aren't. We are "tied" with the Knicks, with the Knicks having one more loss and losing the tie break.

[Jamaaliver]

I said this in the other thread, but again, no we aren't. We are "tied" with the Knicks, with the Knicks having one more loss and losing the tie break.

ESPN, NBA.com, CBSSPORTS all say otherwise:

Notebook: Bulls 105, Hawks 92

THE FACT: Atlanta lost for the 21st time in 28 games and is percentage points behind the Knicks for the No. 8 spot.

http://www.nba.com/games/20140402/CHIATL/gameinfo.html

[Jamaaliver]

With the loss, the Knicks now have sole custody of the eighth seed in the East, and the Hawks are now on the outside looking in, according to the official standings on NBA.com.

http://soaringdownsouth.com/2014/04/02/bulls-vs-hawks-game-recap-atl-loses-sixth-straight-game-chicago-105-92/

[Jamaaliver]

Chicago held off slumping Atlanta for a 105-92 victory Wednesday night, bumping the Hawks out of the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference with two weeks left in the season.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker/recap/NBA_20140402_CHI@ATL/augustin-gives-bulls-spark-hawks-fall-below-playoff-line

[Jamaaliver]

Don't look now, but the Knicks are officially in the playoffs. At least by percentage points.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24511815/nightly-grades-knicks-are-in-the-playoffs-for-now

[Jamaaliver]

The Knicks shot 60 percent from the field to end the night percentage points ahead of the Atlanta Hawks (32-42) for the eighth and final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/03/sports/basketball/with-rout-knicks-have-playoff-spot-for-now.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

[Jamaaliver]

The Knicks are in the playoffs. At 33-43, they’re in a virtual tie with the 32-42 Hawks, but hold a 0.2% lead in winning percentage.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/nba-knicks-playoffs-hawks-8-seed/

[theatlfan]

I said this in the other thread, but again, no we aren't. We are "tied" with the Knicks, with the Knicks having one more loss and losing the tie break.

As jamaal points out (several) times, we 're out right now. The problem is that since we're under .500, splitting two games would actually boost out W%..

[PandaKidd]

we are out based on winning percentage, but look at the records. We have played 2 less games than the NYK. If we have equal records down to the last 2 games, we control our own destiny.

if we wind up with the exact same record, we win, we own the head to head tie breaker

[Rip2137]

Exactly. We have to lose 2 more games than the Knicks the rest of the way for them to make the playoffs. So despite us being in "9th", if we win out and the Knicks win out, we are in. If the Knicks win out and we lose 1 game, we are in.

Basically there is absolutely nothing the Knicks can do except hope we lose. If we have to lose 2 more games for them to be in the playoffs, then I don't see us as being "out of the playoffs" because of scheduling.

[D21]

if we wind up with the exact same record, we win, we own the head to head tie breaker

Not 100% true
If both teams have the same record at the end, they will look at the head-to-head, and it's 2-2, and won't change.
Then, it will be the conference record, and at this moment, we are 22-22 and NYK are 22-24.
If we finish with a lower conference record than NYK, they win the tiebreaker.
So we have to loose, and especially against Eastern Conference teams... and we only have Eastern teams left.

[PandaKidd]

if we wind up with the exact same record, we win, we own the head to head tie breaker

Not 100% true
If both teams have the same record at the end, they will look at the head-to-head, and it's 2-2, and won't change.
Then, it will be the conference record, and at this moment, we are 22-22 and NYK are 22-24.
If we finish with a lower conference record than NYK, they win the tiebreaker.
So we have to loose, and especially against Eastern Conference teams... and we only have Eastern teams left.

I thought we were 3-1 ? My apologies

[Jamaaliver]

So...even though the NBA assigns playoff seeding based on win %, we're ignoring that altogther.

So that first round matchup of the 1st & 8th seeds that NBA.com currently reflects is wrong? We're ignoring that Heat-Knicks matchup officially reported by every credible sports site in the country, and insisting it's instead a Pacers-Hawks matchup instead?

Fair enough....

[PandaKidd]

So...even though the NBA assigns playoff seeding based on win %, we're ignoring that altogther.

So that first round matchup of the 1st & 8th seeds that NBA.com currently reflects is wrong? We're ignoring that Heat-Knicks matchup officially reported by every credible sports site in the country, and insisting it's instead a Pacers-Hawks matchup instead?

Fair enough....

no its the Media, it is a story to say KNICKS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS NOW, but its by PERCENTAGE POINTS ONLY.

Every team plays 82 games. When 1 team is at 82 and the other is at 80 TEAM 1 has 42-40 record and team 2 has a 41-39 record, who is making the playoffs if they split the series 2-2?

51% vs 51% winning percentage.

Statistically the Knicks are in the playoffs right now, that is a correct statement , however, the Hawks are 2 games less played than the knicks, so........

KNICKS have 6 games left
HAWKS have 8 games left

IF they both lose out, KNICKS 33-49 HAWKS 32-50 - HAWKS MISS PLAYOFFS

IF they both split remainding games, KNICKS 36-46 HAWKS 36-46 - HAWKS GO (if we have a better conf record)

Basically the Hawks have to just do whatever the knicks do. If knick win 6 in a row, Hawks have to win 6 in a row.

We have 2 games that we dont know the outcome yet, so its kind of premature to say the hawks are "out of it". What they should say is the hawks are tied essentially with the Knicks

[Jamaaliver]

Yeah. I get that. But teams don't get credit for games they haven't won.

That's why league's have to keep standings based on win percentage throughout long seasons.

We are OUT of the playoffs, and have to win extra games to get back in.

We're arguing two sides of the same concept, except that every major league system in the world requires you to win the games.

no its the Media, it is a story to say KNICKS ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS NOW, but its by PERCENTAGE POINTS ONLY.

Again, I understand the math. But it's not the media. It's the official standings as monitored by the National Basketball Association. The league officially assigns standings based on win percentage...not wins or losses NOT games back!!!!

We have to win those two games to get the 8th seed back. (It's why Indy has the most WINS in the Eastern Conference, but is still the #2 seed. League assigns standings based win percentage when one team has more games played than another.)

Again, it's pretty much in use by every professional league in existence. At the halfway point, ALL Star Game Coaches are assigned by which team is in first place...which is calculated by win percentage.


Again...it's the official format/process of the NBA. Not Jamaaliver.....

[PandaKidd]

League assigns standings based win percentage when one team has more games played than another.

Exactly, but, all we were saying is that its premature.

You are correct, the hawks as of today are 9th and on the outside looking in