Beat the heat

[Jamaaliver]

Well I don't think we have much to worry about then. Pero has completely shut Hibbert down in the first 2 games.

Something about sample size...

[PandaKidd]

Cynicism? No just giving honest opinion of an 8th seed going against a 1 seed.

Pacers look bad now but they have been DOMINANT in stretches too.

You're asking me to believe that pero antic ,a 31 year old rookie, may decide our playoff fate.....

Odds are not with us. Sorry anyone who has watched this team in long stretches sees our deficiencies

I will root for us and be at the games, but I'd be surprised if we go past game 5

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[ATLHawksfan21]

I do agree that the sample size is tiny but its the only thing we have to go on as far the Antic/Hibbert matchup. and the sample size for them playing each other is only 2 games but the sample size of Hibbert being completely lost on offense is more like the past 6 weeks and you can add George Hill to that list.

I was looking at George's numbers against Carroll this year and I was pleasantly surprised. George and Carroll matched up 3 times this year and we played 1 game without Carroll. In the game without Carroll, George scored 26 pts on only 18 shots on 44.4% FG. In the 3 games with Carroll, George scored 64 pts on 58 shots on 39.6% FG.

Carroll is holding George to almost 1 pt per shot attempt.

[Jamaaliver]

Regular season matchups are not always an accurate indicator of what to expect in a playoff matchup. It's nigh impossible for both teams to adequately gameplan for each other when 1 team is playing at home on 4 days rest and the other is playing on the road in the 4th game of 5 nights. there's limited video watching by players or practice time for a single opponent.

I remember back in 1997: We were the 4th seed and playing the 5th seeded Charlotte Hornets who we'd swept in the regular season. It was a given we'd take the 5 game series, right? We'd dominated them all year long. We were healthy, rested and had an ideal matchup....

and we got swept in three games to CHA.

Playoffs are a different animal. I doubt Hibbert even knew who Antic was until game 3 or 4 of the season series. I guarantee you the coaches and players will be prepared for his 3-pt shooting this time around.

Past performance is not an accurate indicator of future results. Especially when dealing with an unproven commodity like our Hawks roster. We're as likely to lose by 30 as we are to win by 3.

With that said, I think the real difference-maker in this series is the one guy on our squad capable of consistently creating his OWN offense....Lou Williams. I predict we go as he goes. Otherwise we're gonna have incredibly long stretches where our offense bogs down and we can't buy a bucket.

Similar to that pathetic 2nd quarter we experienced in Game 6 last postseason.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Regular season matchups are not always an accurate indicator of what to expect in a playoff matchup. It's nigh impossible for both teams to adequately gameplan for each other when 1 team is playing at home on 4 days rest and the other is playing on the road in the 4th game of 5 nights. there's limited video watching by players or practice time for a single opponent.

I remember back in 1997: We were the 4th seed and playing the 5th seeded Charlotte Hornets who we'd swept in the regular season. It was a given we'd take the 5 game series, right? We'd dominated them all year long. We were healthy, rested and had an ideal matchup....

and we got swept in three games to CHA.

Playoffs are a different animal. I doubt Hibbert even knew who Antic was until game 3 or 4 of the season series. I guarantee you the coaches and players will be prepared for his 3-pt shooting this time around.

Past performance is not an accurate indicator of future results. Especially when dealing with an unproven commodity like our Hawks roster. We're as likely to lose by 30 as we are to win by 3.

With that said, I think the real difference-maker in this series is the one guy on our squad capable of consistently creating his OWN offense....Lou Williams. I predict we go as he goes. Otherwise we're gonna have incredibly long stretches where our offense bogs down and we can't buy a bucket.

Similar to that pathetic 2nd quarter we experienced in Game 6 last postseason.

We will fail hard if Lou Williams is the key guy. He has lost his speed since the knee injury and he cant create like he used to. It would be very nice if he could knock down the 3 though.

I agree that the playoffs are a different animal and that more dissecting of each other's gameplan and adjustments are required. and this works in our favor even more because Bud is superior to Vogel. Bud will out strategize Vogel.

There is nothing Hibbert can do to defend Antic better. He is as slow as molasses and he cannot guard Pero on the perimeter. So fine, you say they will adjust and go to a zone. Well, the perfect recipe for defeating a zone is elite team passing and 3 pt shooting which is our teams strengths.

I believe the key to this series will be Teague and not Lou Williams. Teague makes this team go and if he is on his game like he has been throughout April we will be right there at the end of it. If he fades away and is hesitant we will lose and it will probably happen quickly. Teague consistently creates his own offense when he is aggressive. No one has been creating for Teague. He has been doing it all himself and creating for others.

[PandaKidd]

Lou Williams will make or break this series, but Teague is the key. He has to be the MVP. We go as he goes

[PandaKidd]

Anyone ACTUALLY going to go to the games?

[Jamaaliver]

There is nothing Hibbert can do to defend Antic better. He is as slow as molasses and he cannot guard Pero on the perimeter.

If our primary offensive plan is to simply park Antic at the 3-pt line in hopes of Pero carrying our offense, we're in for a rude awakening.

Again, Hibbert is a monster defending the paint. Why would his coaches remove him from that area to stand next to a no name Center at the 3-pt line? Mike Woodson might make this kind of adjustment, that's about it. Indy is used to opposing teams attempting to lure him away from the basket. They see it every year in the postseason. They'll adjust. And early.

Indy is an elite defensive team that's been together for years. I don't see them being befuddled because Antic can occasionally hit threes.

this works in our favor even more because Bud is superior to Vogel. Bud will out strategize Vogel.

Time will tell. But this is Bud's first go round as the primary decision-maker. Seems a bit early to make that statement considering Indy is the top team in the East, and we are well under .500.

Beyond that, it'll be fun to see how Indy defends Teague. I'd trap him early and often to get the ball out of his hands. I'd let Paul George and Lance Stephenson take turns picking him up full court at varying times. We really don't have any other guards to put pressure on defenders (except Lou). They'll focus their entire defense on stopping Teague. They'll force turnovers and convert them for easy buckets. And every long jumper that Antic misses will become a fast break opportunity for Indy. This is the recipe for beating ATL in Indiana.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Anyone ACTUALLY going to go to the games?

I would like to go to atleast one in the first round but I already have a busy week planned for next week. Outside of basketball, my other passion is music and I'm going to the Sweetwater Music Fest this weekend, Devin the Dude on Wednesday and Counterpoint Music Fest next weekend to see the return of Outkast.

I hope our first game is on Saturday. I will skip Sweetwater and watch the game at a sports bar or something. Does anyone have a good recommendation on a place to watch the game in the city where a lot of other Hawks fans will be? I live in Macon so I don't know the hotspots in the city.

[ATLHawksfan21]

There is nothing Hibbert can do to defend Antic better. He is as slow as molasses and he cannot guard Pero on the perimeter.

If our primary offensive plan is to simply park Antic at the 3-pt line in hopes of Pero carrying our offense, we're in for a rude awakening.

Again, Hibbert is a monster defending the paint. Why would his coaches remove him from that area to stand next to a no name Center at the 3-pt line? Mike Woodson might make this kind of adjustment, that's about it. Indy is used to opposing teams attempting to lure him away from the basket. They see it every year in the postseason. They'll adjust. And early.

Indy is an elite defensive team that's been together for years. I don't see them being befuddled because Antic can occasionally hit threes.

this works in our favor even more because Bud is superior to Vogel. Bud will out strategize Vogel.

Time will tell. But this is Bud's first go round as the primary decision-maker. Seems a bit early to make that statement considering Indy is the top team in the East, and we are well under .500.

Beyond that, it'll be fun to see how Indy defends Teague. I'd trap him early and often to get the ball out of his hands. I'd let Paul George and Lance Stephenson take turns picking him up full court at varying times. We really don't have any other guards to put pressure on defenders (except Lou). They'll focus their entire defense on stopping Teague. They'll force turnovers and convert them for easy buckets. And every long jumper that Antic misses will become a fast break opportunity for Indy. This is the recipe for beating ATL in Indiana.

Why do you always have to go to such extremes? Please quote the post I made stating that we need Pero to carry the offense. I never said it and never would say it because its an absurd notion. We will rely on Jeff Teague and Paul Milsap to carry the offense like we have all year. and with the Pero/Hibbert matchup it is more than just about Pero's 3 pt shooting. It is just as much about Pero's ability to shut down Hibbert on the other end. Hibbert abused us last year in the playoffs and I don't see him doing that this year with Pero on him. Obviously, they won't have Hibbert on Pero on the wing at all times but he will be at times and it will open things up for us and if they choose to go zone, it will open up things for our 3 pt shooters.

and you throw the shot in once again about us being well below .500. I could care less what our season record is when we have had injuries all year. I only care about what we have looked like when we are healthy and when we are healthy we are better than .500 and there is no denying that. So you keep using pointless statistics to down your team and I will keep using relevant statistics to support my team.

Bud had a lot more responsibility when he was with the Spurs than you seem to think. Pop has said so himself.

Indy may be the top team in the East, record wise, but they have been playing like the 4th or 5th best team in the East for the past 6 weeks. I'm not about to just forget about their struggles because they won one game against OKC. George HIll and Hibbert have some serious confidence issues right now.

[PandaKidd]

Anyone ACTUALLY going to go to the games?

I would like to go to atleast one in the first round but I already have a busy week planned for next week. Outside of basketball, my other passion is music and I'm going to the Sweetwater Music Fest this weekend, Devin the Dude on Wednesday and Counterpoint Music Fest next weekend to see the return of Outkast.

I hope our first game is on Saturday. I will skip Sweetwater and watch the game at a sports bar or something. Does anyone have a good recommendation on a place to watch the game in the city where a lot of other Hawks fans will be? I live in Macon so I don't know the hotspots in the city.

Hudson Grille Downtown or Taco Mac in the Arena.

I prefer Park Bar, but its a smaller local joint.

Cant go wrong with Stats either, but theres always Hawks fans at hudson grille

[ATLHawksfan21]

Anyone ACTUALLY going to go to the games?

I would like to go to atleast one in the first round but I already have a busy week planned for next week. Outside of basketball, my other passion is music and I'm going to the Sweetwater Music Fest this weekend, Devin the Dude on Wednesday and Counterpoint Music Fest next weekend to see the return of Outkast.

I hope our first game is on Saturday. I will skip Sweetwater and watch the game at a sports bar or something. Does anyone have a good recommendation on a place to watch the game in the city where a lot of other Hawks fans will be? I live in Macon so I don't know the hotspots in the city.

Hudson Grille Downtown or Taco Mac in the Arena.

I prefer Park Bar, but its a smaller local joint.

Cant go wrong with Stats either, but theres always Hawks fans at hudson grille

Hudson is the one attached to Philips right?

That would be perfect because Sweetwater is taking place at Olympic Centennial Park.

[PandaKidd]

I would like to go to atleast one in the first round but I already have a busy week planned for next week. Outside of basketball, my other passion is music and I'm going to the Sweetwater Music Fest this weekend, Devin the Dude on Wednesday and Counterpoint Music Fest next weekend to see the return of Outkast.

I hope our first game is on Saturday. I will skip Sweetwater and watch the game at a sports bar or something. Does anyone have a good recommendation on a place to watch the game in the city where a lot of other Hawks fans will be? I live in Macon so I don't know the hotspots in the city.

Hudson Grille Downtown or Taco Mac in the Arena.

I prefer Park Bar, but its a smaller local joint.

Cant go wrong with Stats either, but theres always Hawks fans at hudson grille

Hudson is the one attached to Philips right?

That would be perfect because Sweetwater is taking place at Olympic Centennial Park.

Hudson is right across the street from Philips, its at the corner of Centennial Olympic Park Drive and Marietta Street

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.757502, ... e2!6m1!1e1

[ATLHawksfan21]

Hudson Grille Downtown or Taco Mac in the Arena.

I prefer Park Bar, but its a smaller local joint.

Cant go wrong with Stats either, but theres always Hawks fans at hudson grille

Hudson is the one attached to Philips right?

That would be perfect because Sweetwater is taking place at Olympic Centennial Park.

Hudson is right across the street from Philips, its at the corner of Centennial Olympic Park Drive and Marietta Street

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.757502, ... e2!6m1!1e1

Hell yeah. Thanks man. I will be there for the game if we play on Saturday. Won't be able to make it on Sunday unless we get like a 1 pm game.

[Jamaaliver]

Why do you always have to go to such extremes? Please quote the post I made stating that we need Pero to carry the offense

Didn't realize I was taking it to extremes...

But you have reiterated this issue...many times over the last three days...repeatedly. Pero owns Hibbert. Pero OWNS Hibbert. I was assuming you mentioned this matchup more than any other because you thought it was important. You even included multiple video links to hammer home the importance of Pero.

We have played Indy twice this year with our current starting 5 and we beat them by double digits both times. Pero has dominated Hibbert in both matchups...

There is nothing Hibbert can do to defend Antic better

Well I don't think we have much to worry about then. Pero has completely shut Hibbert down in the first 2 games.

We know that Pero Antic destroyed Hibbert in both games and made him completely useless.

Just like Jamaal discrediting the mismatch that we have with Antic vs Hibbert by saying oh he will just guard someone else. Please tell me who else he will guard.

Again...you keep bringing this matchup to the forefront of the conversation. Over and over and over again. As if its significance is greater than any other. I don't believe Antic is that much of a difference maker.

That's the extreme I'm looking at.

[Jamaaliver]

And I finally found this quote where Bud mentions that teams have been guarding Antic more and more with opposing PFs while their Centers stay in the paint:

Several times this year, the opposition has used their power forward to guard Antic and their center to guard Millsap. It's had mixed results.

"We have done that," Casey said. "Antic is still a big man..."

"Sometimes they defend it really well and sometimes we are lucky and the ball goes in the basket," Budenholzer said of the strategy.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/atlanta-hawks/2014/mar/23/game-thread-mack-gets-another-start/

I anticipate this is what we will see a great deal of against Indy. Thus negating the Antic advantage, but potentially working in Millsap's favor.

[Yungsta404]

yea hibbert just guards whoever is closest to the basket...

[ATLHawksfan21]

And I finally found this quote where Bud mentions that teams have been guarding Antic more and more with opposing PFs while their Centers stay in the paint:

Several times this year, the opposition has used their power forward to guard Antic and their center to guard Millsap. It's had mixed results.

"We have done that," Casey said. "Antic is still a big man..."

"Sometimes they defend it really well and sometimes we are lucky and the ball goes in the basket," Budenholzer said of the strategy.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/atlanta-hawks/2014/mar/23/game-thread-mack-gets-another-start/

I anticipate this is what we will see a great deal of against Indy. Thus negating the Antic advantage, but potentially working in Millsap's favor.

I beg the Pacers to use Hibbert on Milsap. Please lawdy let Hibbert matchup with Milsap. It will not end well for them.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Why do you always have to go to such extremes? Please quote the post I made stating that we need Pero to carry the offense

Didn't realize I was taking it to extremes...

But you have reiterated this issue...many times over the last three days...repeatedly. Pero owns Hibbert. Pero OWNS Hibbert. I was assuming you mentioned this matchup more than any other because you thought it was important. You even included multiple video links to hammer home the importance of Pero.

We have played Indy twice this year with our current starting 5 and we beat them by double digits both times. Pero has dominated Hibbert in both matchups...

There is nothing Hibbert can do to defend Antic better

Well I don't think we have much to worry about then. Pero has completely shut Hibbert down in the first 2 games.

We know that Pero Antic destroyed Hibbert in both games and made him completely useless.

Just like Jamaal discrediting the mismatch that we have with Antic vs Hibbert by saying oh he will just guard someone else. Please tell me who else he will guard.

Again...you keep bringing this matchup to the forefront of the conversation. Over and over and over again. As if its significance is greater than any other. I don't believe Antic is that much of a difference maker.

That's the extreme I'm looking at.

Your damn right I have mentioned Pero getting the best of Hibbert repeatedly but when did I ever say that Pero will be the focus of our offense in any of those posts? I have clearly stated that Pero worked him on both sides of the ball so I'm not sure why you only focus on the offensive side. Hibbert avg'd 15 pts and 8 rebs a game against us last year in the playoffs. He will not match those numbers this year. and in the videos I posted it shows Pero getting most of his open looks from 3 while the Pacers are in a zone. Watch the vids and you will see David West with the late contest on the majority of Pero's shots.

[Jamaaliver]

Your damn right I have mentioned Pero getting the best of Hibbert repeatedly but when did I ever say that Pero will be the focus of our offense in any of those posts?