ESPN reporting Hawks interested in Greg Monroe

[PandaKidd]

Monroe staying put?

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2014 ... z3ABNWtT7g

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[ATLHawksfan21]

Monroe staying put?

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2014 ... z3ABNWtT7g

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I think he is just trying to further pressure the Pistons in to moving him. He may end up signing the qualifying offer, if it's his last option, but he would rather get a long-term deal signed this offseason with a new team. There is a lot of risk involved with taking that qualifying offer. Sustain a bad injury and you could lose out on 20-40 million depending on the severity.

[Jamaaliver]

Monroe staying put?

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2014 ... z3ABNWtT7g

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If worse comes to worse and he does the one-year tender, can he still be traded throughout the year? Clearly he's playing his cards right and using what little leverage he has to get out of that place.

If he walks and DET gets nothing, that would be pretty devastating. Especially since the city of DET has difficulty attracting Free Agents.

[PandaKidd]

He just signed the QO. I think that means he cannot be traded until at least February?



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[Hawk Eye]

I hope ferry learned from this summer...he better never throw away 1st round picks (bebe) and good players (Lou) for basically cap space and just bank on the fact that you can get a big name free agent to come to Atlanta. (Which we did not)

[ATLHawksfan21]

He just signed the QO. I think that means he cannot be traded until at least February?



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It looks like this report is just a rumor as SVG came out and said that the Pistons have heard nothing from Monroe's camp. I think this is Monroe's camp trying to force a trade from the Pistons. It would be stupid for him to sign a qualifying offer this early when he can wait until October 1st.

Monroe signing a qualifying offer this early would be a strong signal that no teams were interested in trading for Monroe.

[D21]

But even if DET receive ten offer for sign-&-trade doesn't mean that Monroe's camp know anything about that.
If DET ask for too much in return, or are not interested,... nobody will know it.

[PandaKidd]

Monroe cannot be traded without his consent once he signs the qualfiying offer.

[Jamaaliver]

Really good assessment of the Greg Monroe situation in Detroit:

Monroe and his agent never sought an offer sheet from another team but pursued sign-and-trade proposals with at least five other teams, including Portland and Oklahoma City...This summer, the Pistons made some subtle signings but continue to have a front line with three pieces that don’t complement one another...Monroe doesn’t have anything against Van Gundy but is uncertain if he has the patience to invest four or five more years in the Pistons. Next summer, Monroe might be able to go where he pleases without much competition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/08/18/greg-monroe-maximizing-limited-leverage-with-detroit-pistons/

Pistons can't possibly let him go for nothing, right?

They HAVE to be considering one of the sign-and-trade offers at this point. Considering how badly Monroe wants to leave (seemingly), and how poorly he fits with Drummond....he's gotta be up for grabs, right?

[Hawk Eye]

Really good assessment of the Greg Monroe situation in Detroit:

Monroe and his agent never sought an offer sheet from another team but pursued sign-and-trade proposals with at least five other teams, including Portland and Oklahoma City...This summer, the Pistons made some subtle signings but continue to have a front line with three pieces that don’t complement one another...Monroe doesn’t have anything against Van Gundy but is uncertain if he has the patience to invest four or five more years in the Pistons. Next summer, Monroe might be able to go where he pleases without much competition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/08/18/greg-monroe-maximizing-limited-leverage-with-detroit-pistons/

Pistons can't possibly let him go for nothing, right?

They HAVE to be considering one of the sign-and-trade offers at this point. Considering how badly Monroe wants to leave (seemingly), and how poorly he fits with Drummond....he's gotta be up for grabs, right?

Just out of curiosity, if Milsap were to walk in to Ferry's office today and say "Appreciate all that this franchise has done for me but I won't be returning to ATL after this upcoming season" would you be willing to work a framework deal of essentially Milsap for Monroe? We might not get better value coming back then that if we were to trade Milsap just before the trade deadline right?

[Jamaaliver]

Just out of curiosity, if Milsap were to walk in to Ferry's office today and say "Appreciate all that this franchise has done for me but I won't be returning to ATL after this upcoming season" would you be willing to work a framework deal of essentially Milsap for Monroe? We might not get better value coming back then that if we were to trade Milsap just before the trade deadline right?

I would absolutely do this trade. Hands down. Without hesitation. Hell, I'd include Adreian Payne in trade as further incentive for Monroe.

Millsap has been great. But his age/size/future salary are barriers to us keeping him as a cornerstone long-term.

[PandaKidd]

Pistons would never do that deal IMO.

Millsap at PF with Drummond and J Smoov...............

No, they need to move Josh Smith ideally, or Monroe for a wing player, someone at SG?

[azuresou1]

Just out of curiosity, if Milsap were to walk in to Ferry's office today and say "Appreciate all that this franchise has done for me but I won't be returning to ATL after this upcoming season" would you be willing to work a framework deal of essentially Milsap for Monroe? We might not get better value coming back then that if we were to trade Milsap just before the trade deadline right?

I would absolutely do this trade. Hands down. Without hesitation. Hell, I'd include Adreian Payne in trade as further incentive for Monroe.

Millsap has been great. But his age/size/future salary are barriers to us keeping him as a cornerstone long-term.

Millsap + Payne for a half season rental of Monroe is a god awful trade. I MIGHT trade Payne for Monroe at the midway point to try to make a contending push, but I'm not trading both of them to take a step back on the court AND in terms of franchise building.

[Jamaaliver]

Millsap + Payne for a half season rental of Monroe is a god awful trade. I MIGHT trade Payne for Monroe at the midway point to try to make a contending push, but I'm not trading both of them to take a step back on the court AND in terms of franchise building.

A VERY good point, Mike. But i suspect that if we get Monroe here, give him a taste of life in a great city, in a wide open system, on a team of professionals and veterans, competing for a playoff spot...he'll easily make us front runners to re-sign him next Summer.

But if we have to contend on equal footing in Free Agency with LA, Knicks, Spurs....we might have slightly more difficulty. The same way we struggled too attract Gasol, Dwight, Deng, 'Melo.

Get Monroe here for a year, to see what we can do on the court under Coach Bud next Korver and Horford...it'd be very difficult for him to walk away to a rebuilding Laker or Knicks team.

NOTE: I still consider Millsap + Payne for one year of Monroe a much better deal than Bebe and lou for three weeks of John Salmons.

[azuresou1]

That's still an awfully big bet for a pretty mediocre player with big gaps in his game.

I think our team is better as is than it would be without Millsap/Payne but with Monroe. I also think that going into next season, the team would be better re-signing Millsap to a short 2 year contract than giving Monroe the type of money he wants (remember, he turned down a 5 year/60 million deal) while holding on to Payne. Also, who's to say that Millsap wouldn't also give us a hometown discount, given that we've done wonders for his career?

Ultimately at the end of the day though - I think Monroe is a (slight) downgrade from Millsap. He's a good but not elite interior scorer, he has limited range, doesn't provide shotblocking, and is a subpar team defender. If you look, you'll see that he actually compares very closely to guys like Tiago Splitter:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y3=2014

Sure, you can say that Splitter just won a championship next to Tim Duncan... but let's be real Diaw was much more important for the Spurs and Millsap can be a better, more scoring oriented Diaw.

[D21]

...remember, he turned down a 5 year/60 million deal...

What he said was he never got this offer or any other offer from DET...

[Jamaaliver]

^D21 is correct. Monroe has stated he never received the 5-year $60 million offer from the Pistons. Though word is he would have indeed turned it down. He's just that focused on leaving the Pistons.

I also think that going into next season, the team would be better re-signing Millsap to a short 2 year contract than giving Monroe the type of money he wants...I think Monroe is a (slight) downgrade from Millsap.

I think you and I simply have greatly differing opinions of Monroe's abilities. I see him more in-line with strong post scorers like Zach Randolph and AL Jefferson. Strong back-to-the-basket players with limited defensive potential. In the right system, next to the right personnel they both have thrived and greatly improved their team.

Let's not forget that Monroe has had 5 coaches in five years in DET. Five different systems. And that his teams have been poorly designed with little spacing provided. In our system, he'd be a beast next AL. Very few front courts in the league would have the size to counter both players.

Let's not forget, you were less than sold on Millsap for years before he came to ATL and had the season of his career. I can see Monroe having similar improvement. Plus, he's just now entering his prime years.

And I cannot emphasize enough just how potent our front court will be with both Horford and a real Center playing side-by-side. We missed out on Dwight, Pau, Dieng, AL Jefferson. Please don't let us strike out again, Danny Boy.

[Jamaaliver]

Next summer, the competition could be evn more fierce for Monroe's services than I feared:

Next summer, 14 teams have cap space...the cap could be around $68 million. For Monroe, it will again be a seller’s market. So where should he go?

If we don't get him in trade before the deadline, I don't thin we get him.

Washington Post lists teams as:

Hawks
Magic
Raptors
Mavs
Bucks
Celtics
Lakers
Grizzlies
Heat
Knicks
Suns

[azuresou1]

I can understand that the difference of opinion about Monroe's talent is going to primarily be fueling the divide, but I still don't see why we're tossing Millsap + Payne for a half-season rental of Monroe which hurts us in the short term, and doesn't give us any edge in resigning Monroe (we don't get his Bird rights).

Is Monroe more likely to resign with us because he likes our coaches in the half-season before we get eliminated in the 1st/2nd round versus the extra cash that will inevitably come from whatever team tosses him a max? I don't think so. I think he's more likely to come if he sees us take Chicago or Cleveland to 7, or even put up an ECF run and sees that we're a very good, underrated team which can also pay him.

On the other hand, we can talk a Payne/Monroe swap which gives Detroit long term value while helping us this season. That would actually be intriguing as we could swap in/out our big man lineup like the Lakers used to do with Pau/Bynum/Odom.

[Jamaaliver]

Monroe has signed the QO. We HAVE to make a move to get him in trade between now and the deadline.

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As we've seen time and again, waiting to pursue these top players in Free Agency is often fruitless for us.

Millsap for Monroe makes too much sense NOT to pursue.