ImageImage

Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG?

Moderators: dms269, HMFFL, Jamaaliver

observer1995
Junior
Posts: 289
And1: 189
Joined: Jan 14, 2016

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#121 » by observer1995 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:17 pm

Here’s my deal: If Teague carries this team to two playoff wins in the second round, considering this team will likely be facing TOR/CLE, then we consider him a cornerstone, extend him, and try to look for a top notch wing player without trading a PG and just let Schroder walk after next year.
If the series is as ugly as typical Hawks second rounds have been, then serious changes must happen, and they may need to happen regardless. If the team gets bounced in the first round, then serious changes BETTER happen.
And I have a feeling that the second round will be as ugly as typical second rounds and a total embarrassment is waiting for this team in the second round.
That’s my deal. Does Teague keep this team from total embarrassment in the second round this season, like what happened in 2008-2010?
User avatar
Jamaaliver
Forum Mod - Hawks
Forum Mod - Hawks
Posts: 45,159
And1: 17,179
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
Location: Officially a citizen of the World...
Contact:
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#122 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:53 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Barring injury, Teague is going to have a amazing playoff showing and will definitely drive up his trade value, but to who? A lottery tram wouldn't be confident in resigning him I wouldn't think. A team missing a piece wouldn't really have the assets to make it worth while.


I speculated Indiana a year ago. Considering they expressed interest in Teague mid-season, I think they'd be the #1 option. He'd be the hometown hero...I definitely see us getting him for vet contracts and their draft pick.


Sacramento is desperate to be relevant again. They'll give up lottery talent for an All-Star. The issue there is Teague's impending Free Agency.

Last Summer: I think we could've gotten Nik Staukas and last year's #6 for Teague.
This summer: probably Ben McLemore and a future pick swap or something.
Rip2137
Analyst
Posts: 3,317
And1: 228
Joined: Jun 24, 2006

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#123 » by Rip2137 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:52 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:You might as well blow the whole team up if you trade Teague.

Do any of you actually have faith in Dennis stepping in as a competent starter next season?

That was going to be the next point. A team led by Dennis Schroder isn't sniffing the finals the next 2-3 years. So why hold on to Millsap and Horford? Trading Teague, you might as well get rid of everyone. I am still of the belief we are closer to the finals than mediocrity but alot disagree.
User avatar
PandaKidd
Analyst
Posts: 3,356
And1: 637
Joined: Aug 22, 2012
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#124 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:33 pm

DS is not equal to Teague . Stop comparing it like that. DS is younger, cheaper, which gives you the ability to pay MORE for other needs. Hes young and under contract. Hes a legit rotation player and yes even a starter on some teams. Teague is WALKING in a year. Youre not going to get anything of value in trade for him because teams will just sign him in a year.

Am i confident of DS running the point? YES. EVERY SINGLE MEDIOCRE player that has come here and gotten MAJOR minutes has vastly improved. DMC/THJ/Bazemore why wouldnt DS continue to improve under starters minutes? Its just crazy to think hes hit his ceiling. for 70% of the year he played BETTER than Jeff Teague. Hell there was a point when TEAGUE was the albatross and look how much hes developed under Budenholzer.

Make DS the starter , trade teague in a package with other people to get someone on the wing.

I suspect that is not the biggest problem with this team this Offseason though, Al Horford much bigger piece they will have to decide on.
observer1995
Junior
Posts: 289
And1: 189
Joined: Jan 14, 2016

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#125 » by observer1995 » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:03 pm

Rip2137 wrote:
ATLHawksfan21 wrote:You might as well blow the whole team up if you trade Teague.

Do any of you actually have faith in Dennis stepping in as a competent starter next season?

That was going to be the next point. A team led by Dennis Schroder isn't sniffing the finals the next 2-3 years. So why hold on to Millsap and Horford? Trading Teague, you might as well get rid of everyone. I am still of the belief we are closer to the finals than mediocrity but alot disagree.


And I am afraid you’re about to be proven very, very wrong in about three weeks. If this team is swept and completely stomped on in the second round by CLE/TOR, then exactly where are they at? Where they were in 2008-2010, where they were considered the cute team with zero shot at getting to the finals.

And it'd be a TOTAL stomping. If it's a CLE series, 20+ point blowouts each game.
King Ken
General Manager
Posts: 9,773
And1: 5,478
Joined: Jul 01, 2014
   

Re: RE: Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#126 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:22 am

observer1995 wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:
ATLHawksfan21 wrote:You might as well blow the whole team up if you trade Teague.

Do any of you actually have faith in Dennis stepping in as a competent starter next season?

That was going to be the next point. A team led by Dennis Schroder isn't sniffing the finals the next 2-3 years. So why hold on to Millsap and Horford? Trading Teague, you might as well get rid of everyone. I am still of the belief we are closer to the finals than mediocrity but alot disagree.


And I am afraid you’re about to be proven very, very wrong in about three weeks. If this team is swept and completely stomped on in the second round by CLE/TOR, then exactly where are they at? Where they were in 2008-2010, where they were considered the cute team with zero shot at getting to the finals.

And it'd be a TOTAL stomping. If it's a CLE series, 20+ point blowouts each game.

Worse than overvealous fans like Panda Kidd is outsiders like this guy coming to demand our best players for nothing because we don't have a great team yet.

If you don't get your tail out of here kid.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
User avatar
ATL Boy
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 10,959
And1: 4,005
Joined: May 15, 2011
Location: Atlanta GA
       

Re: RE: Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#127 » by ATL Boy » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:45 pm

King Ken wrote:
observer1995 wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:That was going to be the next point. A team led by Dennis Schroder isn't sniffing the finals the next 2-3 years. So why hold on to Millsap and Horford? Trading Teague, you might as well get rid of everyone. I am still of the belief we are closer to the finals than mediocrity but alot disagree.


And I am afraid you’re about to be proven very, very wrong in about three weeks. If this team is swept and completely stomped on in the second round by CLE/TOR, then exactly where are they at? Where they were in 2008-2010, where they were considered the cute team with zero shot at getting to the finals.

And it'd be a TOTAL stomping. If it's a CLE series, 20+ point blowouts each game.

Worse than overvealous fans like Panda Kidd is outsiders like this guy coming to demand our best players for nothing because we don't have a great team yet.

If you don't get your tail out of here kid.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

There's no need for comments like this. This is a basketball forum where everyone is welcomed to share their opinions.

And Observer isn't an outsider. He's an Atlanta fan who has systematically posted on the board for the past few weeks.
SichtingLives wrote:life hack:

When a man heaves a live chainsaw towards you from distance, stand still. No one has good accuracy throwing a chainsaw.
King Ken
General Manager
Posts: 9,773
And1: 5,478
Joined: Jul 01, 2014
   

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#128 » by King Ken » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:46 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
King Ken wrote:
observer1995 wrote:
And I am afraid you’re about to be proven very, very wrong in about three weeks. If this team is swept and completely stomped on in the second round by CLE/TOR, then exactly where are they at? Where they were in 2008-2010, where they were considered the cute team with zero shot at getting to the finals.

And it'd be a TOTAL stomping. If it's a CLE series, 20+ point blowouts each game.

Worse than overvealous fans like Panda Kidd is outsiders like this guy coming to demand our best players for nothing because we don't have a great team yet.

If you don't get your tail out of here kid.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

There's no need for comments like this. This is a basketball forum where everyone is welcomed to share their opinions.

And Observer isn't an outsider. He's an Atlanta fan who has systematically posted on the board for the past few weeks.

I never seen him before, figured he was another Bucks fan

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
MaceCase
General Manager
Posts: 8,363
And1: 2,483
Joined: Apr 08, 2009
       

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#129 » by MaceCase » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:57 pm

He even posts on the Squawk under the name Lurker, Supes, so you've definitely seen him on the boards and chat.
*WLONC*
We Like Our New Core
User avatar
PandaKidd
Analyst
Posts: 3,356
And1: 637
Joined: Aug 22, 2012
     

Re: RE: Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#130 » by PandaKidd » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:02 pm

King Ken wrote:
observer1995 wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:That was going to be the next point. A team led by Dennis Schroder isn't sniffing the finals the next 2-3 years. So why hold on to Millsap and Horford? Trading Teague, you might as well get rid of everyone. I am still of the belief we are closer to the finals than mediocrity but alot disagree.


And I am afraid you’re about to be proven very, very wrong in about three weeks. If this team is swept and completely stomped on in the second round by CLE/TOR, then exactly where are they at? Where they were in 2008-2010, where they were considered the cute team with zero shot at getting to the finals.

And it'd be a TOTAL stomping. If it's a CLE series, 20+ point blowouts each game.

Worse than overvealous fans like Panda Kidd is outsiders like this guy coming to demand our best players for nothing because we don't have a great team yet.

If you don't get your tail out of here kid.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk



:crazy: :lol:

Mr. RC Buford salty this morning?
User avatar
PandaKidd
Analyst
Posts: 3,356
And1: 637
Joined: Aug 22, 2012
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#131 » by PandaKidd » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:03 pm

MaceCase wrote:He even posts on the Squawk under the name Lurker, Supes, so you've definitely seen him on the boards and chat.

even if the guy has 1 post doesnt mean his opinion isnt welcome. You know how many forums i belong too? JEEZ, like 30+ (I only post on about 3 normally).
Rip2137
Analyst
Posts: 3,317
And1: 228
Joined: Jun 24, 2006

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#132 » by Rip2137 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:13 pm

PandaKidd wrote: You know how many forums i belong too? JEEZ, like 30+ (I only post on about 3 normally).


D...do we need to have a intervention?
User avatar
PandaKidd
Analyst
Posts: 3,356
And1: 637
Joined: Aug 22, 2012
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#133 » by PandaKidd » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:21 pm

Rip2137 wrote:
PandaKidd wrote: You know how many forums i belong too? JEEZ, like 30+ (I only post on about 3 normally).


D...do we need to have a intervention?

I was a car guy for a long time so i belonged to every Nissan/Honda/Toyota board there was. Just saying there was a point when I found this place and I had 1 post, post count doesnt necessarily = noob status.

All i meant :D
Rip2137
Analyst
Posts: 3,317
And1: 228
Joined: Jun 24, 2006

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#134 » by Rip2137 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:45 pm

Lol
User avatar
Jamaaliver
Forum Mod - Hawks
Forum Mod - Hawks
Posts: 45,159
And1: 17,179
Joined: Sep 22, 2005
Location: Officially a citizen of the World...
Contact:
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#135 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Aug 5, 2016 2:48 pm

Took me a while to remember where this was.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Jamalliver be ready to dig these kind of threads from the graveyard if we ever move Teague or Dennis for a major asset. I will gladly eat crow.




King Ken wrote:I am telling you right now, we gonna hold to both players if the deal isn't just. Wack draft picks in a weak draft isn't going to get Atlanta to trade either player.


King Ken wrote:Teague or Dennis won't be going no where without you trading a top 3 pick or major assets. It's not happen or they are holding on to each player and waiting till free agency to make a move if they make one at all.



Rip2137 wrote:Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a expiring point guard. That's insane to even think so.
User avatar
Geaux_Hawks
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,473
And1: 1,154
Joined: Feb 18, 2011
     

Re: Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG? 

Post#136 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Aug 5, 2016 4:04 pm

The #12 pick was about where I would have placed Teague's value back then also. At best Sacramento's #8 pick would have had us making out like bandits. End of the day, we got a good prospect, with hopes he can become a Leonard-type steal. I think Ken went back into his cave a while back, so he may never see this.

P.S- Can we put "Grave Digger" under Jamals name instead? I kid, I kid..lol

Return to Atlanta Hawks