Tie break with Grizz

Spud2nique · Post #1 » by **Spud2nique** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:00 am

I was just thinking about last year’s lottery tiebreak draws and we beat Memphis in a coin flip for the right to choose 19th, Grizz got 20th. There is a possibility that the same thing will happen with the same two team this year as well..both 21-55 with 6 games to go.

Question for you all. Had we lost the coin flip to the Grizz and gotten the 20th pick last year and by some bad luck John Collins was taken by the Blazers or Kings or whoever owned the pick, who would’ve have drafted in your opinion?

Jarrett Allen
Terrence Ferguson
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma

Or another player.

This year the flip if it happens will be huge, difference between 2nd and 3rd pick could be large.

MaceCase · Post #2 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:47 am

I believe the Hawks interviewed Allen at the combine and had Kuzma in for a workout. I think there was a focus on forward/bigs so Harry Giles, another combine interviewee, would have been in consideration too. Maybe Schlenk could have gotten wind of his old boss wanting Jordan Bell and had some interest as well. I'd say if they stayed at 20 then Allen or Giles. If Kuzma or Bell they possibly could have traded back with Orlando for #25 and #35 and selected both.

D21 · Post #3 » by **D21** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:08 pm

Spud2nique wrote:I was just thinking about last year’s lottery tiebreak draws and we beat Memphis in a coin flip for the right to choose 19th, Grizz got 20th. There is a possibility that the same thing will happen with the same two team this year as well..both 21-55 with 6 games to go

Except it's a little bit different this time, being in the lottery. If ATL and MEM finish with the same records, they will split the total of odds they have, so 199+156=355 combinations.
There will be a random drawing and the winner gets the extra combination (178, the other 177).
As long as one their combinations come out, they will pick 1st, 2nd or 3rd
If only one of MEM and ATL combinations comes out, it's this team that will pick before the other.
If no combination appears, they will pick 4th and 5th and the team who won the random drawing will pick 4th, the other 5th

So it will really require two other teams passing them to get the drawing impact who will pick before the other

Spud2nique · Post #4 » by **Spud2nique** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:11 pm

D21 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:I was just thinking about last year’s lottery tiebreak draws and we beat Memphis in a coin flip for the right to choose 19th, Grizz got 20th. There is a possibility that the same thing will happen with the same two team this year as well..both 21-55 with 6 games to go

Except it's a little bit different this time, being in the lottery. If ATL and MEM finish with the same records, they will split the total of odds they have, so 199+156=355 combinations.
There will be a random drawing and the winner gets the extra combination (178, the other 177).
As long as one their combinations come out, they will pick 1st, 2nd or 3rd
If only one of MEM and ATL combinations comes out, it's this team that will pick before the other.
If no combination appears, they will pick 4th and 5th and the team who won the random drawing will pick 4th, the other 5th

So it will really require two other teams passing them to get the drawing impact who will pick before the other

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Spud2nique · Post #5 » by **Spud2nique** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:14 pm

MaceCase wrote:I believe the Hawks interviewed Allen at the combine and had Kuzma in for a workout. I think there was a focus on forward/bigs so Harry Giles, another combine interviewee, would have been in consideration too. Maybe Schlenk could have gotten wind of his old boss wanting Jordan Bell and had some interest as well. I'd say if they stayed at 20 then Allen or Giles. If Kuzma or Bell they possibly could have traded back with Orlando for #25 and #35 and selected both.

Oh man, Giles would not have made this fan base happy. I’d prolly guess Jarrett Allen as well...I honestly thought it might be Jarrett regardless. I’m happy we went with Collins. I hated Kuzma as I thought he would be more of a role player...he seems to be a bit more...oops.

Spud2nique · Post #6 » by **Spud2nique** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:21 pm

D21 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:I was just thinking about last year’s lottery tiebreak draws and we beat Memphis in a coin flip for the right to choose 19th, Grizz got 20th. There is a possibility that the same thing will happen with the same two team this year as well..both 21-55 with 6 games to go

Except it's a little bit different this time, being in the lottery. If ATL and MEM finish with the same records, they will split the total of odds they have, so 199+156=355 combinations.
There will be a random drawing and the winner gets the extra combination (178, the other 177).
As long as one their combinations come out, they will pick 1st, 2nd or 3rd
If only one of MEM and ATL combinations comes out, it's this team that will pick before the other.
If no combination appears, they will pick 4th and 5th and the team who won the random drawing will pick 4th, the other 5th

So it will really require two other teams passing them to get the drawing impact who will pick before the other

Yes but it’s still a draw of us vs them if neither gets into the top 3. Like the Wolves getting 6th over the Knicks last year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-tiebreaker-results-as-knicks-lose-no-6-lottery-slot-to-wolves/

MaceCase · Post #7 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:40 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
MaceCase wrote:I believe the Hawks interviewed Allen at the combine and had Kuzma in for a workout. I think there was a focus on forward/bigs so Harry Giles, another combine interviewee, would have been in consideration too. Maybe Schlenk could have gotten wind of his old boss wanting Jordan Bell and had some interest as well. I'd say if they stayed at 20 then Allen or Giles. If Kuzma or Bell they possibly could have traded back with Orlando for #25 and #35 and selected both.

Oh man, Giles would not have made this fan base happy. I’d prolly guess Jarrett Allen as well...I honestly thought it might be Jarrett regardless. I’m happy we went with Collins. I hated Kuzma as I thought he would be more of a role player...he seems to be a bit more...oops.

Well, despite some gaudy scoring performances Kuzma's not much more than a role player as is so don't get too hung up on it. He basically would have been our new Mike Scott: designated bench microwave. I think he would have been a get under the scenario I proposed where we got Bell as well. They could have been our thunder and lightning, small duo with enough scoring and defense to mix and match lineups. As is, Allen and Collins presented more two-way potential on their own.

King Ken · Post #8 » by **King Ken** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:40 pm

Spud2nique wrote:I was just thinking about last year’s lottery tiebreak draws and we beat Memphis in a coin flip for the right to choose 19th, Grizz got 20th. There is a possibility that the same thing will happen with the same two team this year as well..both 21-55 with 6 games to go.

Question for you all. Had we lost the coin flip to the Grizz and gotten the 20th pick last year and by some bad luck John Collins was taken by the Blazers or Kings or whoever owned the pick, who would’ve have drafted in your opinion?

Jarrett Allen
Terrence Ferguson
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma

Or another player.

This year the flip if it happens will be huge, difference between 2nd and 3rd pick could be large.

We need to win the coin flip again

Spud2nique · Post #9 » by **Spud2nique** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:50 pm

MaceCase wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
MaceCase wrote:I believe the Hawks interviewed Allen at the combine and had Kuzma in for a workout. I think there was a focus on forward/bigs so Harry Giles, another combine interviewee, would have been in consideration too. Maybe Schlenk could have gotten wind of his old boss wanting Jordan Bell and had some interest as well. I'd say if they stayed at 20 then Allen or Giles. If Kuzma or Bell they possibly could have traded back with Orlando for #25 and #35 and selected both.

Oh man, Giles would not have made this fan base happy. I’d prolly guess Jarrett Allen as well...I honestly thought it might be Jarrett regardless. I’m happy we went with Collins. I hated Kuzma as I thought he would be more of a role player...he seems to be a bit more...oops.

Well, despite some gaudy scoring performances Kuzma's not much more than a role player as is so don't get too hung up on it. He basically would have been our new Mike Scott: designated bench microwave. I think he would have been a get under the scenario I proposed where we got Bell as well. They could have been our thunder and lightning, small duo with enough scoring and defense to mix and match lineups. As is, Allen and Collins presented more two-way potential on their own.

I love Mike Scott and will always love what he brought to us, specially in 2015, but in no way should you ever really compare what Scott did or does or will ever do to Kuzma. Skill set alone there’s a huge difference. Kuzma handles a TON better. Mike Scott could barely dribble, it was always a one dribble handoff at the top of the key mainly handing it to Teague or another guard.

MaceCase · Post #10 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Apr 1, 2018 4:12 am

Spud2nique wrote:
MaceCase wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:

Oh man, Giles would not have made this fan base happy. I’d prolly guess Jarrett Allen as well...I honestly thought it might be Jarrett regardless. I’m happy we went with Collins. I hated Kuzma as I thought he would be more of a role player...he seems to be a bit more...oops.

Well, despite some gaudy scoring performances Kuzma's not much more than a role player as is so don't get too hung up on it. He basically would have been our new Mike Scott: designated bench microwave. I think he would have been a get under the scenario I proposed where we got Bell as well. They could have been our thunder and lightning, small duo with enough scoring and defense to mix and match lineups. As is, Allen and Collins presented more two-way potential on their own.

I love Mike Scott and will always love what he brought to us, specially in 2015, but in no way should you ever really compare what Scott did or does or will ever do to Kuzma. Skill set alone there’s a huge difference. Kuzma handles a TON better. Mike Scott could barely dribble, it was always a one dribble handoff at the top of the key mainly handing it to Teague or another guard.

Meh, different styles to the same result. Combo scorers that when their shot is off offer nothing else in the forms of defense, rebounding, or facilitating.

Spud2nique · Post #11 » by **Spud2nique** » Sun Apr 1, 2018 7:29 am

MaceCase wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
MaceCase wrote:Well, despite some gaudy scoring performances Kuzma's not much more than a role player as is so don't get too hung up on it. He basically would have been our new Mike Scott: designated bench microwave. I think he would have been a get under the scenario I proposed where we got Bell as well. They could have been our thunder and lightning, small duo with enough scoring and defense to mix and match lineups. As is, Allen and Collins presented more two-way potential on their own.

I love Mike Scott and will always love what he brought to us, specially in 2015, but in no way should you ever really compare what Scott did or does or will ever do to Kuzma. Skill set alone there’s a huge difference. Kuzma handles a TON better. Mike Scott could barely dribble, it was always a one dribble handoff at the top of the key mainly handing it to Teague or another guard.

Meh, different styles to the same result. Combo scorers that when their shot is off offer nothing else in the forms of defense, rebounding, or facilitating.

Consuela too of course...

D21 · Post #12 » by **D21** » Mon Apr 2, 2018 12:37 am

Spud2nique wrote:Yes but it’s still a draw of us vs them if neither gets into the top 3. Like the Wolves getting 6th over the Knicks last year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-draft-2017-tiebreaker-results-as-knicks-lose-no-6-lottery-slot-to-wolves/

The difference I was talking about is that the coin flip is 50/50 for each team, but this time, there is few chances that they look at the coin filp since it needs two teams getting in the Top 3 in the lottery

Post #13 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Apr 2, 2018 2:22 pm

Jinx thread tbh. We'll be looking at the tie break with the Magic for 3rd at this rate.

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Post #14 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 2, 2018 2:30 pm

^The only benefit I can think is that we might hit gold on a risky draftee we wouldn't consider in the top-2.

(Porter, Mikal Bridges, Trae or Bagley)

Spud2nique · Post #15 » by **Spud2nique** » Mon Apr 2, 2018 3:12 pm

ATL Boy wrote:Jinx thread tbh. We'll be looking at the tie break with the Magic for 3rd at this rate.

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We are the Hawks. Anything that doesn’t work out for us will be and has been a jinx situation forever. Let’s face it, we can’t compete with the Grizz dropping 19 in a row or the Suns working on their 15 game masterpiece slide.

We didn’t and won’t have a shot at catching the Grizz. :wink:

(jinx no jinx).