My assessment on all the topic prospects (+ Young)

[Spud2nique]

Exactly, whenever you call out his favorite prospects he runs to meaningless stats. This is college basketball, if you are good enough, you will play more than 21MPG.

I think Bagley compares more to a few of these guys.

Amare Stoudamire: When he came out, he was an athletic freak and nobody out athleticismed (lol) him. Bagley has had the same dominance in high school and Duke.

Rasheed Wallace: This is going to be a possible version of Bagley down the road. Wallace also came into the league with elite athleticism, over time his stroke become sweeter. Bagley in 4 years could resemble a Blazers Sheed. Good segway to...

Jermaine O’neal: Same deal with Jermaine. Came out as a high school but developed over time. Big man who has superior quickness for his size and a nice touch around the rim. Once he joined the Pacers he started dominated. I see a lot of Bagley here.

Tom Chambers: Elite power forward for the Sonics and Suns who would dunk in your face (well Mark Jackson’s) and shoot 15-20 footer with the best of them. He had a mid range game as well as an above the rim...could be Bagley a bit.

Amare difference is clear. Bagley is a much better overall athlete. Amare as a prospect might have been a more explosive athlete but outside of that, Bagley was significantly better as an offensive prospect. Bagley is just far more talented than Amare was. Amare game is based on instinct. Bagley thinks and reads the game.

Sheed has some similarities as a prospect, mainly the feel for the offensive side of the game and the fact that he is a thinker. That's about it.

I dont see O'Neal at all.

I dont see Chambers either.

I see a combination of Bosh/Rodman/Westbrook. Not saying hes the best of all but that's what he is most similar to for me.

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[King Ken]

I think Bagley compares more to a few of these guys.

Amare Stoudamire: When he came out, he was an athletic freak and nobody out athleticismed (lol) him. Bagley has had the same dominance in high school and Duke.

Rasheed Wallace: This is going to be a possible version of Bagley down the road. Wallace also came into the league with elite athleticism, over time his stroke become sweeter. Bagley in 4 years could resemble a Blazers Sheed. Good segway to...

Jermaine O’neal: Same deal with Jermaine. Came out as a high school but developed over time. Big man who has superior quickness for his size and a nice touch around the rim. Once he joined the Pacers he started dominated. I see a lot of Bagley here.

Tom Chambers: Elite power forward for the Sonics and Suns who would dunk in your face (well Mark Jackson’s) and shoot 15-20 footer with the best of them. He had a mid range game as well as an above the rim...could be Bagley a bit.

Amare difference is clear. Bagley is a much better overall athlete. Amare as a prospect might have been a more explosive athlete but outside of that, Bagley was significantly better as an offensive prospect. Bagley is just far more talented than Amare was. Amare game is based on instinct. Bagley thinks and reads the game.

Sheed has some similarities as a prospect, mainly the feel for the offensive side of the game and the fact that he is a thinker. That's about it.

I dont see O'Neal at all.

I dont see Chambers either.

I see a combination of Bosh/Rodman/Westbrook. Not saying hes the best of all but that's what he is most similar to for me.

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Jamison was a much more skilled than Bagley as a prospect. The most skilled of that draft year. Sadly he lacked the height 6'8ish, and the athletic ability. He was the best prospect of the 90s for UNC from a skills stance. Of course VC had the most NBA success due to his athletic ability and talent level which wasnt showcased in Chapel Hill.

I felt like Kyle Kuzma developed in Jamison image as a prospect and that was only worth a late 1st in 2018. The game changed. Stretch four who do nothing but score and shoot aren't worth as much as they were in 1998.

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[MaceCase]

I'm sure you'll find my Bagley comp to Griffin as his best case scenario. Without the playmaking though, he's a taller Julius Randle.

Still sticking to Porter being closer to Klay. Not as advanced a shooter but a 2-dribble max player, and I say this based on his high school profile because I gave him a mulligan for his sip of a virgin margarita at Mizzou. Wiggins was the top ranked high school recruit too, but we've seen just how badly a lack of handle has hurt his potential 6 years later.

Another awful comparison.

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Hey, Supes. OJ Mayo should be reinstated this summer, what are your thoughts on him being the Hawks PG going forward?

[Spud2nique]

Amare difference is clear. Bagley is a much better overall athlete. Amare as a prospect might have been a more explosive athlete but outside of that, Bagley was significantly better as an offensive prospect. Bagley is just far more talented than Amare was. Amare game is based on instinct. Bagley thinks and reads the game.

Sheed has some similarities as a prospect, mainly the feel for the offensive side of the game and the fact that he is a thinker. That's about it.

I dont see O'Neal at all.

I dont see Chambers either.

I see a combination of Bosh/Rodman/Westbrook. Not saying hes the best of all but that's what he is most similar to for me.

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Jamison was a much more skilled than Bagley as a prospect. The most skilled of that draft year. Sadly he lacked the height 6'8ish, and the athletic ability. He was the best prospect of the 90s for UNC from a skills stance. Of course VC had the most NBA success due to his athletic ability and talent level which wasnt showcased in Chapel Hill.

I felt like Kyle Kuzma developed in Jamison image as a prospect and that was only worth a late 1st in 2018. The game changed. Stretch four who do nothing but score and shoot aren't worth as much as they were in 1998.

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I’m just saying a lot of Bagkey’s hooks and throw ins are reminiscent of Jamison’s..not as shot putty but the baby jump hooks.


One thing is for damn sure, we draft Bagley and we immediately become a top 5 rebounding squad within 2 years in the league with a frontcourt of Bagley, Collins and Prince.


Let’s the chips fall where they may! (Just don’t screw it up).

[King Ken]

I'm sure you'll find my Bagley comp to Griffin as his best case scenario. Without the playmaking though, he's a taller Julius Randle.

Still sticking to Porter being closer to Klay. Not as advanced a shooter but a 2-dribble max player, and I say this based on his high school profile because I gave him a mulligan for his sip of a virgin margarita at Mizzou. Wiggins was the top ranked high school recruit too, but we've seen just how badly a lack of handle has hurt his potential 6 years later.

Another awful comparison.

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Hey, Supes. OJ Mayo should be reinstated this summer, what are your thoughts on him being the Hawks PG going forward?

I was never saying trade a top pick for Mayo. I wanted him in replacement for an aging Bibby for a team where Joe was our defacto PG at the time.

Ancient Bibby
Joe
Marvin
Smoove
Horf

We needed someone who was a #1 option who could play psuedo PG or just defend PGs.

Let's be clear. This was when our GM Rick Sund. Stop trolling. It was context and the role that was available at the time. It would have been a perfect fit for Woody system. At the time, Mayo trade value was Josh Mcroberts. We could have got him for peanuts.

Context.

[Jamaaliver]

Man...I thought I was bad for bringing up old stuff.

Are you guys rehashing a debate from 2010...from a different fan site?


From one professional ******** to another...

Bravo!!!

[jayu70]

I'm sure you'll find my Bagley comp to Griffin as his best case scenario. Without the playmaking though, he's a taller Julius Randle.

Still sticking to Porter being closer to Klay. Not as advanced a shooter but a 2-dribble max player, and I say this based on his high school profile because I gave him a mulligan for his sip of a virgin margarita at Mizzou. Wiggins was the top ranked high school recruit too, but we've seen just how badly a lack of handle has hurt his potential 6 years later.

Another awful comparison.

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Hey, Supes. OJ Mayo should be reinstated this summer, what are your thoughts on him being the Hawks PG going forward?

Das cold brah, deep bone chilling cold.

[jayu70]

Man...I thought I was bad for bringing up old stuff.

Are you guys rehashing a debate from 2010...from a different fan site?


From one professional ******** to another...

Bravo!!!

You had to be there. Turned into an instant classic.

[azuresou1]

Ken are you always such a condescending ****? I thought you southern boys had manners and class but I guess you find human trash everywhere.

[CP War Hawks]

This is solid analysis.

Bagley is overly reliant on his dominant left hand. Definitely limits his capability as a ball handler.

So are you saying he's essentially Smoove without the freakish aa and defensive instincts, but a more well rounded offensive game

[jayu70]

Ken are you always such a condescending ****? I thought you southern boys had manners and class but I guess you find human trash everywhere.

When Ken has an opinion (which we all do) he has a my way or the highway attitude. He leaves to space for being wrong which he is...a lot.

[King Ken]

Ken are you always such a condescending ****? I thought you southern boys had manners and class but I guess you find human trash everywhere.

You been taking shots at everyone talking like a big boy, now you want to cry wolf.

Just because you are willingly wrong doesnt mean I dislike you or I am "condescending". I just dont think you know what you are talking about. You aren't consistent either. One minute, you point to data, I destroy that talking point, the next minute, you go to how you feel, wrong again.

That is on you my friend. I am not out here saying misinformation. Everything i say, I can back it up. Because I watch and research it at least on this topic. Your feelings is not my problem. You just need to toughen up. I am not your mother, no Timothy, you aren't always right.

[King Ken]

Ken are you always such a condescending ****? I thought you southern boys had manners and class but I guess you find human trash everywhere.

When Ken has an opinion (which we all do) he has a my way or the highway attitude. He leaves to space for being wrong which he is...a lot.

Neva wrong Jay. Just occasionally temporary not right

[King Ken]

Ken are you always such a condescending ****? I thought you southern boys had manners and class but I guess you find human trash everywhere.

When Ken has an opinion (which we all do) he has a my way or the highway attitude. He leaves to space for being wrong which he is...a lot.

Jay, I am very open to all opinions but when it comes to Marvin bagley and Al Horford or LeBron James, you better be on point or I will be in that ass like my name is Fleece Johnson

[azuresou1]

Do you know the difference between some mild banter and being condescending? I find it hard to believe that any adult talks like that, much less someone who is old enough to know who Tom Chambers is.

Don't talk about mothers because clearly yours didn't raise you right. I'm not wasting any more time with you.

[King Ken]

Do you know the difference between some mild banter and being condescending? I find it hard to believe that any adult talks like that, much less someone who is old enough to know who Tom Chambers is.

Don't talk about mothers because clearly yours didn't raise you right. I'm not wasting any more time with you.

This dude trying his best to outwit me. "Sir, I know the difference between mild banter and being condescending and I find it to be egregious that you would dare question me. Do you even know who Tom Chambers is?"

Face it kid, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar trying to push nonsense you knew nothing about. You played yourself. Stop trying to act higher than thou when me, you and your mother know you ain't **** but a stubborn melodramatic dweeb who doesn't know what he is talking about. Congratulations, you played yourself.

[King Ken]

Atlboy, this one went left

[ATL Boy]

This did get completely derailed. It's getting locked.