Game Thread: Hawks at Bulls, 01/23/19

[peoriabird]

My man too good of a poster to go full troll. Is there a way we can check to see if PB has been hacked by Bob8?

Why is this society so all or none these days??? I didn't say Trae played poorly, I just can't understand why he doesn't know when his shot isn't falling and continue to force it? That's all. If Dorsey came in and jacked up as many shots as Trae does, the story line would be different! How Come? You point guard should not lead the team in FGA unless he is the most efficient scorer on the team which Trae is not. He is at the bottom just ahead of Dorsey. Shoot away Kyrie and Curry! You have proven that you are better at shooting than your teammates. But Russel Westbrook, You are a great talent but your azz struggle with efficiency so pass that rock to PG and Trae...pass that rock to JC and Kevin Huerter!

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this one PB

So you think that Trae should lead the team in FGA?

[Jamaaliver]

Why is this society so all or none these days??? I didn't say Trae played poorly, I just can't understand why he doesn't know when his shot isn't falling and continue to force it? That's all. If Dorsey came in and jacked up as many shots as Trae does, the story line would be different! How Come?

You might have a point if Trae didn't lead the team in assists last night. for the 30th time this year.

Trae had more assists than the entire Bulls starting five combined.

Young was so effective with the ball in his hands that CHI started doubling off the PnR just to get the ball out of his hands.


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It kinda feels like you're just digging, trying desperately to find a reason to criticize amidst an overwhelmingly positive performance.

[peoriabird]

Why is this society so all or none these days??? I didn't say Trae played poorly, I just can't understand why he doesn't know when his shot isn't falling and continue to force it? That's all. If Dorsey came in and jacked up as many shots as Trae does, the story line would be different! How Come?

You might have a point if Trae didn't lead the team in assists last night. for the 30th time this year.

Trae had more assists than the entire Bulls starting five combined.

Young was so effective with the ball in his hands that CHI started doubling off the PnR just to get the ball out of his hands.


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It kinda feels like you're just digging, trying desperately to find a reason to criticize amidst an overwhelmingly positive performance.

For the umteen time...I am not criticizing Trae's performance....I am Not Criticizing Trae's performance! Got It? I am concerned about his need to shoot rather than pass...Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double last year but many were concerned about his need to shoot a lot too. I ask y'all one more time...Do you think that Trae Young should lead this team in FGA????

[Jamaaliver]

I ask y'all one more time...Do you think that Trae Young should lead this team in FGA????

Bro, Trae didn't lead the team in FGAs last night.

Or the game before that.

Or the game before that.

[hawkmanreturns]

People really need to watch the game before judging Trae's performance last night. He was near 100% correct on his reads in the first half on the pick and roll when the Bulls foolishly chose not to trap. He made the "hockey assist" in the second half when he was getting trapped on the pick and roll. He actually was decent defensively and mixed it up inside to get some rebounds. There's a reason he was +24 despite the poor shooting night.

[peoriabird]

I ask y'all one more time...Do you think that Trae Young should lead this team in FGA????

Bro, Trae didn't lead the team in FGAs last night.

Or the game before that.

Or the game before that.

Why can't you answer the question yes or no?

[peoriabird]

Trae will be forever judged by his October/more November shooting, so when he has a shooting night like last night, the woodworkers come crawling out.
Just to note, for Dec/Jan:
John Collins is leading the team in shot attempts.
Kevin Huerter is leading the team in 3 point shot attempts

FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
John Collins, PF 7.9 13.3 .591 0.9 2.3 .375 2.7 3.8 0.72 7.0 11.0 .636 1.450 0.62
Trae Young, PG 5.5 14.0 .395 1.5 5.2 .285 3.4 4.2 0.80 4.0 8.8 .461 1.137 0.45

Taurean Prince, SF 5.0 11.5 .431 2.2 6.2 .360 1.8 2.2 0.84 2.8 5.3 .514 1.214 0.53

Kevin Huerter, SG 3.4 8.2 .418 1.7 4.4 .392 0.7 0.9 0.76 1.7 3.8 .448 1.125 0.52


Trae Young leads the team in shot attempts per game and Price leads the team in 3 point shot attempts

I'm taliking about the TOTAL number of shots (not average shots per game) they've taken from December.
Collins 329 shots, Trae 320...in November alone he took 231 shots, Huerter took 90 shots in November.
Huerter 124 3 point shots, Trae 113.

In other words...Words others have trouble speaking. You don't want Trae leading the team in FGA or 3 point attempts. If so we are in agreement. and that is my only issue with Trae.

[ATL Boy]

Didn't think the board would get this divisive after such a dominating performance.

Trae Young was great last night. The shots didn't fall, but that was a result of it being "one of those nights" as opposed to just terrible shot selection. He racked up the assists, the hockey assists and kept the turnovers low. We're seeing some serious growth out of him in comparison to the start of the season.

One thing that made me happy was the fact that we consistently made the Bulls pay for consistently doubling and trapping Trae, and that was due to the presence of Collins. It would've been even worse for Chicago if Huerter were playing. Earlier in the year, when Collins was out, teams could just get away with those relentless double teams of Trae, who would then try to force the issue when his teammates couldn't take advantage. I can't wait to get those lotto picks in here to give him even more help.

Collins ouplayed Markkanen, and he's currently outplaying everyone in his draft class not named Donovan Mitchell. The fact that he has a generic name and plays in Atlanta robs him of the recognition he deserves - if he were doing this in Boston or New York he'd be a lock for the All Star game. A 19 and 10 average on 59% shooting isn't a fluke.

The Hawks and Bulls kicked off their rebuilds within a few days of each other and the Bulls even got a boost in their rebuild with the Butler trade (which netted them LaVine, Dunn and Markkanen), while the Hawks let their best player (Millsap) go for nothing. About two years in, and the Hawks seem to be much further along. It goes to show you the importance of good front office management. Atlanta has the pieces in place to finish off this rebuild soon. There seems to be no end in sight for Chicago.

[peoriabird]

Didn't think the board would get this divisive after such a dominating performance.
The Hawks and Bulls kicked off their rebuilds within a few days of each other and the Bulls even got a boost in their rebuild with the Butler trade (which netted them LaVine, Dunn and Markkanen), while the Hawks let their best player (Millsap) go for nothing. About two years in, and the Hawks seem to be much further along. It goes to show you the importance of good front office management. Atlanta has the pieces in place to finish off this rebuild soon. There seems to be no end in sight for Chicago.

Schlenk is the man despite what KB21 says. The Hawks will be at least a .500 next year baring injuries

[shakes0]

just read through this whole thread, kinda wish I didn't . Some awful takes in here on Trae. As others have said, he didn't even shoot that bad, just couldn't get one to fall. Rimmed in and out on most of them. Not like he was taking 35 footers all day, was taking good shots and just barely missing them. Other than that, he carved up the Bulls with his passing so much that they had to resort to last year's BIG12 defense on Trae by double teaming him every time he got to half court in the 2nd half.

Great overall game for Trae in a nice win.

And Jamaaliver, you can't have Wendell. Cmon man, I'm all in on the Hawks now that you guys have Trae, but the Bulls are still my team whenever they decide to become relevant again. With Lauri and Carter and maybe Hutchinson they look to have 3 solid building blocks. Hoping the draft ends up with Bulls and Hawks getting the top 2 picks, not even sure which order I want there. Part of me obviously wants Zion to be playing for the Bulls, but the thought of Zion playing the next 10 years with Trae and Collins makes me drool like Homer Simpson.

[King Ken]

just read through this whole thread, kinda wish I didn't . Some awful takes in here on Trae. As others have said, he didn't even shoot that bad, just couldn't get one to fall. Rimmed in and out on most of them. Not like he was taking 35 footers all day, was taking good shots and just barely missing them. Other than that, he carved up the Bulls with his passing so much that they had to resort to last year's BIG12 defense on Trae by double teaming him every time he got to half court in the 2nd half.

Great overall game for Trae in a nice win.

And Jamaaliver, you can't have Wendell. Cmon man, I'm all in on the Hawks now that you guys have Trae, but the Bulls are still my team whenever they decide to become relevant again. With Lauri and Carter and maybe Hutchinson they look to have 3 solid building blocks. Hoping the draft ends up with Bulls and Hawks getting the top 2 picks, not even sure which order I want there. Part of me obviously wants Zion to be playing for the Bulls, but the thought of Zion playing the next 10 years with Trae and Collins makes me drool like Homer Simpson.

What's crazy is I think those are your building block core as well. Lauri will be much better when you get a PG that fits. Wendell is a beast and we will give you our Dallas pick for him. I love Hutch. He got crazy defensive potential. I was listening to Duncan and he was down on Hutch but I like him a lot. Not high on Levine. He reminds me impact wise of Jamal Crawford. That's great as a 6th man but not as a starter. Yall need a PG. Hella talented one too. Zion really isn't a need for you guys but like everyone of us, he will make you much better long term.

[jayu70]

FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT% 2PM 2PA 2P% PPS AFG%
John Collins, PF 7.9 13.3 .591 0.9 2.3 .375 2.7 3.8 0.72 7.0 11.0 .636 1.450 0.62
Trae Young, PG 5.5 14.0 .395 1.5 5.2 .285 3.4 4.2 0.80 4.0 8.8 .461 1.137 0.45

Taurean Prince, SF 5.0 11.5 .431 2.2 6.2 .360 1.8 2.2 0.84 2.8 5.3 .514 1.214 0.53

Kevin Huerter, SG 3.4 8.2 .418 1.7 4.4 .392 0.7 0.9 0.76 1.7 3.8 .448 1.125 0.52


Trae Young leads the team in shot attempts per game and Price leads the team in 3 point shot attempts

I'm taliking about the TOTAL number of shots (not average shots per game) they've taken from December.
Collins 329 shots, Trae 320...in November alone he took 231 shots, Huerter took 90 shots in November.
Huerter 124 3 point shots, Trae 113.

In other words...Words others have trouble speaking. You don't want Trae leading the team in FGA or 3 point attempts. If so we are in agreement. and that is my only issue with Trae.

But you are responding as if since JohnC and The Huert have been back and starting full time alongside Trae that he's leading the team in shot attempts. He hasn't been since December.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

His TS% is looking bad due to his November and early December chuckfest. Why are you being a negative Nancy on Trae? Especially when he is playing extremely well of late to note. He not even chucking terrible shots like he used to. He was just missing good looks. I don't have a problem with that. It happens. Harden went 1-17 v. Orlando, you want him to stop shooting 3s now too?

Peo gonna rip me a new one but I'm gonna say it anyways ...

Some people just have these anti-Young opinions all locked and loaded and whenever he has a bad play/shot/game, the hottakes come a-flyin'.

Last night wasn't the early-season chuk'n Young was addicted to. He was simply missing shots. Bad shooting game? Sure. AW, HE NEEDTA STOP SHOOTIN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! No, that's an overreaction.

And let's not ignore the stats on the right side of the box score. 7 rebounds and 12 assists (3 tov)? Was a plus-24

That shows that, despite the poor shooting night, the dude didn't hang his head and sulk (like he did earlier in the year at times). He found other ways to contribute. Should not be overlooked.

I still luv you, Peo, but you're wrong on this one ... now lemme go duck 'n cover while I await your response.

I am not an anti young fan. I am an anti young leading the team in shot attempt fans. Its not a strong suit of his right now. There are plenty of more efficient players on this team than him like pretty much everyone else. Stop the madness!!!! Trae needs to pretend he is Rondo and focus on getting John Collins more shots. If John is hitting darn near all of his shots then why is Trae shooting 7 threes??? Trae just has to be smarter! What does Stinger say?...Feed um and fan um!!!

Peoria's just made that he is losing his bet that Trae won't finish in the top 2 on the team in FGA. Some of us saw that Trae would get to work through his shooting struggles this year while others thought he would be a third wheel. Trae is ahead by 243 shots (in large part due to injuries), so just accept that he will keep shooting because that is what his coach wants him to do.

Further, note that for December and January John Collins has led the team in shot rate averaging 14.3 FGA/gm while Trae Young has averaged 13.75 FGA/gm. (Huerter is averaging 13.6 FGA/gm for January).

[peoriabird]

Peo gonna rip me a new one but I'm gonna say it anyways ...

Some people just have these anti-Young opinions all locked and loaded and whenever he has a bad play/shot/game, the hottakes come a-flyin'.

Last night wasn't the early-season chuk'n Young was addicted to. He was simply missing shots. Bad shooting game? Sure. AW, HE NEEDTA STOP SHOOTIN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! No, that's an overreaction.

And let's not ignore the stats on the right side of the box score. 7 rebounds and 12 assists (3 tov)? Was a plus-24

That shows that, despite the poor shooting night, the dude didn't hang his head and sulk (like he did earlier in the year at times). He found other ways to contribute. Should not be overlooked.

I still luv you, Peo, but you're wrong on this one ... now lemme go duck 'n cover while I await your response.

I am not an anti young fan. I am an anti young leading the team in shot attempt fans. Its not a strong suit of his right now. There are plenty of more efficient players on this team than him like pretty much everyone else. Stop the madness!!!! Trae needs to pretend he is Rondo and focus on getting John Collins more shots. If John is hitting darn near all of his shots then why is Trae shooting 7 threes??? Trae just has to be smarter! What does Stinger say?...Feed um and fan um!!!

Peoria's just made that he is losing his bet that Trae won't finish in the top 2 on the team in FGA. Some of us saw that Trae would get to work through his shooting struggles this year while others thought he would be a third wheel. Trae is ahead by 243 shots (in large part due to injuries), so just accept that he will keep shooting because that is what his coach wants him to do.

Further, note that for December and January John Collins has led the team in shot rate averaging 14.3 FGA/gm while Trae Young has averaged 13.75 FGA/gm. (Huerter is averaging 13.6 FGA/gm for January).

Do you want Trae to lead the team in FGA? And to be clear, the bet is shots per game and not total number of shots.

[shakes0]

just read through this whole thread, kinda wish I didn't . Some awful takes in here on Trae. As others have said, he didn't even shoot that bad, just couldn't get one to fall. Rimmed in and out on most of them. Not like he was taking 35 footers all day, was taking good shots and just barely missing them. Other than that, he carved up the Bulls with his passing so much that they had to resort to last year's BIG12 defense on Trae by double teaming him every time he got to half court in the 2nd half.

Great overall game for Trae in a nice win.

And Jamaaliver, you can't have Wendell. Cmon man, I'm all in on the Hawks now that you guys have Trae, but the Bulls are still my team whenever they decide to become relevant again. With Lauri and Carter and maybe Hutchinson they look to have 3 solid building blocks. Hoping the draft ends up with Bulls and Hawks getting the top 2 picks, not even sure which order I want there. Part of me obviously wants Zion to be playing for the Bulls, but the thought of Zion playing the next 10 years with Trae and Collins makes me drool like Homer Simpson.

What's crazy is I think those are your building block core as well. Lauri will be much better when you get a PG that fits. Wendell is a beast and we will give you our Dallas pick for him. I love Hutch. He got crazy defensive potential. I was listening to Duncan and he was down on Hutch but I like him a lot. Not high on Levine. He reminds me impact wise of Jamal Crawford. That's great as a 6th man but not as a starter. Yall need a PG. Hella talented one too. Zion really isn't a need for you guys but like everyone of us, he will make you much better long term.

yep, I really wanted the team to get Trae, but they decided that winning a few meaningless games in December was more important.
I wouldn't be upset if they fell in the draft a bit and had to take Morant. I can live with ZIon to ATL and Morant to CHI

[graymule]

Somehow, after reading the Bulls posters, almost everyone there wishes they had Trae. He would be a PG that
dreams are made of! Since we have him AND Jeremy, we can just cry because ---------

I want our 2 point guards to have the most assists every game. Period. To go along with this, if they have the
most shot attempts every game, that's fine. Trae led the nation in scoring last year, while in school.

The goal is the same height and the same size. The ball is also similar. He made this record while being double
and triple teamed. Just because he is now a Hawk in the NBA doesn't mean he is no longer capable of hitting
any shot that he may take. He didn't lose this talent. It's still there.

We swapped #3 for #5 and next season's Dallas pick. We have no idea who we will have with that pick. Yet, so
many believe that we lost a super, super star and life will never be the same. So bad, they wish to trade or give
away Trae Young. Easy solution. Become a Dallas fan and leave the Hawks to us poor fans who don't know any better.

HAWKS !!

[Jamaaliver]

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[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

I am not an anti young fan. I am an anti young leading the team in shot attempt fans. Its not a strong suit of his right now. There are plenty of more efficient players on this team than him like pretty much everyone else. Stop the madness!!!! Trae needs to pretend he is Rondo and focus on getting John Collins more shots. If John is hitting darn near all of his shots then why is Trae shooting 7 threes??? Trae just has to be smarter! What does Stinger say?...Feed um and fan um!!!

Peoria's just made that he is losing his bet that Trae won't finish in the top 2 on the team in FGA. Some of us saw that Trae would get to work through his shooting struggles this year while others thought he would be a third wheel. Trae is ahead by 243 shots (in large part due to injuries), so just accept that he will keep shooting because that is what his coach wants him to do.

Further, note that for December and January John Collins has led the team in shot rate averaging 14.3 FGA/gm while Trae Young has averaged 13.75 FGA/gm. (Huerter is averaging 13.6 FGA/gm for January).

Do you want Trae to lead the team in FGA? And to be clear, the bet is shots per game and not total number of shots.

It was always total shots and was clearly documented that way. That is why there was a qualifier if Trae didn't play 60 games. That is why we had a couple posts tracking progress on the bet showing total shots for each person.

I told you he would either lead the team in total shots or be second unless he missed a really substantial part of the season due to injury. You are just salty about being wrong about the Hawks giving him rope to shoot even when he struggles. I suspect it will be academic because he will lead the team in total shots and finish top 2 in FGA/gm.

I fully expected them to give him that rope regardless of whether I wanted him to be shooting that much. I worried about drafting him and him turning into a ballhog so my major concern has been alleviated after seeing his ability to share the ball.

[peoriabird]

Peoria's just made that he is losing his bet that Trae won't finish in the top 2 on the team in FGA. Some of us saw that Trae would get to work through his shooting struggles this year while others thought he would be a third wheel. Trae is ahead by 243 shots (in large part due to injuries), so just accept that he will keep shooting because that is what his coach wants him to do.

Further, note that for December and January John Collins has led the team in shot rate averaging 14.3 FGA/gm while Trae Young has averaged 13.75 FGA/gm. (Huerter is averaging 13.6 FGA/gm for January).

Do you want Trae to lead the team in FGA? And to be clear, the bet is shots per game and not total number of shots.

It was always total shots and was clearly documented that way. That is why there was a qualifier if Trae didn't play 60 games. That is why we had a couple posts tracking progress on the bet showing total shots for each person.

I told you he would either lead the team in total shots or be second unless he missed a really substantial part of the season due to injury. You are just salty about being wrong about the Hawks giving him rope to shoot even when he struggles. I suspect it will be academic because he will lead the team in total shots and finish top 2 in FGA/gm.

I fully expected them to give him that rope regardless of whether I wanted him to be shooting that much. I worried about drafting him and him turning into a ballhog so my major concern has been alleviated after seeing his ability to share the ball.

So others can be injured like Collins, Baze and Prince but the bet is off if Trae is injured. Dude please. Shots per game!

[peoriabird]

Do you want Trae to lead the team in FGA? And to be clear, the bet is shots per game and not total number of shots.

It was always total shots and was clearly documented that way. That is why there was a qualifier if Trae didn't play 60 games. That is why we had a couple posts tracking progress on the bet showing total shots for each person.

I told you he would either lead the team in total shots or be second unless he missed a really substantial part of the season due to injury. You are just salty about being wrong about the Hawks giving him rope to shoot even when he struggles. I suspect it will be academic because he will lead the team in total shots and finish top 2 in FGA/gm.

I fully expected them to give him that rope regardless of whether I wanted him to be shooting that much. I worried about drafting him and him turning into a ballhog so my major concern has been alleviated after seeing his ability to share the ball.

So others can be injured like Collins, Baze and Prince but the bet is off if Trae is injured. Dude please. Shots per game!

By the way...Good to see you over here AHF