Atlanta Hawks 2015 Draft Thread

td00 · Post #101 » by **td00** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:17 pm

How about this turn of events:
1 hour ago:
Ellis plans to discuss a long-term contract with the Atlanta Hawks and Miami Heat in free agency after opting out of the final year of his contract on Wednesday, sources told RealGM. He had an option worth $8.72 million.

PandaKidd · Post #102 » by **PandaKidd** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:21 pm

Post #103 » by **Hawk Eye** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:34 pm

Ellis is not a good fit here..gross

Post #104 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:37 pm

The Heat, needing to preserve flexibility after re-signing Goran Dragic and potentially Dwyane Wade this summer, are open to trading the 10th pick if it means unloading salary. (Josh McRoberts, for example, is owed $17 million over the next three years.)

Here

For a top 10 pick in THIS draft, I'd definitely take on some of MIA's vets.

McRoberts and Chalmers help fill out the roster. #10 brings in young top talent to groom. And we keep #15. Love it.

Skyhawk1 · Post #105 » by **Skyhawk1** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:27 pm

Remember how we struggled to score in the playoffs? Ellis will take care of that. We do not have one single player who can consistently create their own shot and get to the basket. My biggest problem with the Hawks team the way it is constructed is that it's very one dimensional. Everyone is kinda good at most things but not great at even one. No one can carry and win us a game. Under Carlisle, Ellis showed he can actually be coached. I think between Carrol price tag and Ellis', both at about 10M/year, I would pick Ellis'. He did carry that Mavs team last season.

td00 · Post #106 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:05 am

Agree with Skyhawk in that Ellis did some very good stuff with DAL.

What you run into is Ellis could be paired with JT or DS giving us a very small backcourt for a majority of the minutes.

Reminds me having Lou Williams here, but Ellis is more expensive than Lou.

Still looking for the Hawks to get a draft pick that contends for playing time in Year1. That's not easy for a winning team to have that either.

atlantabbq99 · Post #107 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:53 am

PMOTT3 wrote:Ellis is not a good fit here..gross

td00 wrote:Agree with Skyhawk in that Ellis did some very good stuff with DAL.

What you run into is Ellis could be paired with JT or DS giving us a very small backcourt for a majority of the minutes.

Reminds me having Lou Williams here, but Ellis is more expensive than Lou.

Still looking for the Hawks to get a draft pick that contends for playing time in Year1. That's not easy for a winning team to have that either.

I know that Budz has a man crush on Ellis and if Budz puts his stamp of approval on him, then that is good enough for me. However, i don't know if Budz still likes Ellis the same way he did 3 years ago, but anyway, in Budz we trust.

Back in 2013 when Budz first joined the Hawks, his first request or target was to get Monta to play a Manu type of role in his system...

"Marc Stein reports that the Atlanta Hawks are a "serious suitor" for Milwaukee Bucks shooting guard Monta Ellis and could look to sign him to a short deal with their remaining salary cap space. Stein also reports that the Hawks have given thought to center Andrew Bynum but that Ellis appears to be the top target."

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2013/7/7/4500542/nba-free-agent-rumors-monta-ellis-atlanta-hawks

atlantabbq99 · Post #108 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:14 pm

Before the draft starts, here is what we do know about Budz...

He likes drafting shooters, regardless of the position.

He likes drafting defense.

He likes post players to be highly skilled and not concern about their athleticism or length.

He likes his small fowards to be very athletic and most importantly have a motor

He likes his shooting guards to be shooters, to such an extreme point that they are even specialist and he doesn't care if SG can create their own shot or put the ball on the floor. He also doesn't care if his shooting guards are athletic.

He likes his point guards to be super athletic and guys who can attack the rim and not settle for pull up jump shots.

And most importantly, Budz does not play rookies. So who ever the Hawks draft, just expect them to ride the bench their first year and be bounced back and forth of the d-league all year long, just like Dennis and Payne.

PandaKidd · Post #109 » by **PandaKidd** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:36 pm

Indicative of Houston's plans to get off money, word is both Terrence Jones and Rockets' No. 18 pick in first round are both very available

I liked Jones few years ago.

Rockets going after LOVE AND LMA LOL SUPERTEAM!

td00 · Post #110 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:53 pm

My .02 cents....what would it take for Bud to talk to buddy Brown @ Philly and go get their #3? The last thing the Sixers need is more youth, and I'm seeing the Lakers brass is leaning towards Russell as the 2 pick. So that leaves Philly picking between Okafor and Porzingis?
How about Okafor at 3, keeping him away from NYK? What would Philly want? DS, and a couple of 1s? Okafor would be incredible as a Hawk under Bud. It also solidifies our chance to bring back Sap and DMC. I bet Bud would pick Porzingis though wouldn't he?

PandaKidd · Post #111 » by **PandaKidd** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:00 pm

I think the 76ers would have way more suitors for #3 if Okafor is there.

Post #112 » by **Hawk Eye** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Teams with younger assets will be able to trump our offers for #3. I dont see Philly being interested in schroder, #15, and a future 1st all for #3. They definitely wont be interested in our win now pieces since they are so far from being a contender.

td00 · Post #113 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:17 pm

PMOTT3 wrote:Teams with younger assets will be able to trump our offers for #3. I dont see Philly being interested in schroder, #15, and a future 1st all for #3. They definitely wont be interested in our win now pieces since they are so far from being a contender.

You might be right, but to get in the top of this draft, it's going to take at least 3 assets to get a shot at someone in the Top 5.
They need a legit PG, so you start by strengthening another team with an offer. Then its 2 #1s for #3. It makes them better overnight with 2 assets over 1 this year, and 2 1s to not wreck their future. Hey, I'm okay if you give up Al in that slot instead of DS, but I feel DS is more attractive to them.

PandaKidd · Post #114 » by **PandaKidd** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:18 pm

The Celtics have a deal in place for Philly if Okafor is there. So, theres that

td00 · Post #115 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:33 pm

PandaKidd wrote:The Celtics have a deal in place for Philly if Okafor is there. So, theres that

Agree to disagree, as I totally think Bud has better assets than BOS to give to Philly....IMO, teams within the division are not going to give you the best deal out there. That's why I never see us doing anything significant with MIA, WAS, CHA, & ORL...no way we were getting Dwight when he was in ORL. I would think Brown and Bud have a better relationship than Brown & Ainge.

Post #116 » by **Hawk Eye** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:44 pm

td00 wrote:
PandaKidd wrote:The Celtics have a deal in place for Philly if Okafor is there. So, theres that

Agree to disagree, as I totally think Bud has better assets than BOS to give to Philly....IMO, teams within the division are not going to give you the best deal out there. That's why I never see us doing anything significant with MIA, WAS, CHA, & ORL...no way we were getting Dwight when he was in ORL. I would think Brown and Bud have a better relationship than Brown & Ainge.

With all due respect I think you are crazy. Have you seen the amount of draft picks that boston owns from now till the next 3-4 years? Not to mention those BRK 1sts are practically lotto guaranteed. Ours was 1 game away from being #11 instead of #15. Our only young asset is Schroder. That MIN 1st we have is lotto protected for 3 straight years and cant even be conveyed until 2017.

Post #117 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:03 pm

PMOTT3 wrote:Teams with younger assets will be able to trump our offers for #3. I dont see Philly being interested in schroder, #15, and a future 1st all for #3. They definitely wont be interested in our win now pieces since they are so far from being a contender.

This is where striking out on 1st rounders for three straight summers come into play.

Had those picks turned into rotation pieces or just been traded for future assets, we might be able to scrape together enough to cash them in for a deal.

This was always my biggest criticism of Ferry: ASSET MANAGEMENT. Instead of moving valuable pieces for value, he struck out in the draft, let Josh leave for nothing and failed utilize that cap space on top talent.

We've had enough 2nd tier assets over the last few years that COMBINED could have been used aggressively in a blockbuster.

td00 · Post #118 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:15 pm

PMOTT3 wrote:
td00 wrote:
PandaKidd wrote:The Celtics have a deal in place for Philly if Okafor is there. So, theres that

Agree to disagree, as I totally think Bud has better assets than BOS to give to Philly....IMO, teams within the division are not going to give you the best deal out there. That's why I never see us doing anything significant with MIA, WAS, CHA, & ORL...no way we were getting Dwight when he was in ORL. I would think Brown and Bud have a better relationship than Brown & Ainge.

With all due respect I think you are crazy. Have you seen the amount of draft picks that boston owns from now till the next 3-4 years? Not to mention those BRK 1sts are practically lotto guaranteed. Ours was 1 game away from being #11 instead of #15. Our only young asset is Schroder. That MIN 1st we have is lotto protected for 3 straight years and cant even be conveyed until 2017.

If Philly calls me crazy, then I'm crazy......I think our assets our better than Boston. I don't see anyone I would have to have to make a deal with Ainge. Wallace is a contract deal, and outside of maybe Bradley, its only draft picks.

I just read where Sullinger may be going to Charlotte, cleaning up his twitter account. BOS happy @ 9? Sounds like a pick or 2 is headed that way.

td00 · Post #119 » by **td00** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:16 pm

td00 wrote:
PMOTT3 wrote:
td00 wrote:
Agree to disagree, as I totally think Bud has better assets than BOS to give to Philly....IMO, teams within the division are not going to give you the best deal out there. That's why I never see us doing anything significant with MIA, WAS, CHA, & ORL...no way we were getting Dwight when he was in ORL. I would think Brown and Bud have a better relationship than Brown & Ainge.

With all due respect I think you are crazy. Have you seen the amount of draft picks that boston owns from now till the next 3-4 years? Not to mention those BRK 1sts are practically lotto guaranteed. Ours was 1 game away from being #11 instead of #15. Our only young asset is Schroder. That MIN 1st we have is lotto protected for 3 straight years and cant even be conveyed until 2017.

If Philly calls me crazy, then I'm crazy......I think our assets our better than Boston. I don't see anyone I would have to have to make a deal with Ainge. Wallace is a contract deal, and outside of maybe Bradley, its only draft picks.

I just read where Sullinger may be going to Charlotte, cleaning up his twitter account. BOS happy @ 9? Sounds like a pick or 2 is headed that way.

I also saw Philly did call BOS to see if there was a mega offer on the way as well.....we'll see.

Hawkeyes · Post #120 » by **Hawkeyes** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:22 pm

ESPN just said we've tried to move up to draft Mudiay. Kind of odd given our PG situation, so I can only assume we offered 1 of Teague/Schroder. Interesting.