Are Hawks Better with Dennis at PG?

Rip2137 · Post #101 » by **Rip2137** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:02 am

Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a expiring point guard. That's insane to even think so.

King Ken · Post #102 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:09 am

Rip2137 wrote:Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a expiring point guard. That's insane to even think so.

You mean like Brandon Knight or Jrue Holiday who are no where near as good as Teague

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King Ken · Post #103 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:10 am

This fanbase keep barking but they know value. You should feel confident they rate their players nowadays.

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Post #104 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:24 am

King Ken wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a expiring point guard. That's insane to even think so.

You mean like Brandon Knight or Jrue Holiday who are no where near as good as Teague

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Jrue Holiday was signed long term and he was 22, coming off his all star year when his value was at its absolute highest, and not even then did he fetch a top 5 pick in a weak draft.

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King Ken · Post #105 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:26 am

ATL Boy wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Nobody is trading a top 5 pick for a expiring point guard. That's insane to even think so.

You mean like Brandon Knight or Jrue Holiday who are no where near as good as Teague

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Jrue Holiday was signed long term and he was 22, coming off his all star year when his value was at its absolute highest, and not even then did he fetch a top 5 pick in a weak draft.

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Nerlens Noel was who they fetched which is why they made the trade. Noel was the #1 player coming out of the class but was going to mess the whole year due to an injury in college. Once again, don't come for me and they got Noel and a top 10 pick that next year. Don't come for me son.

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Post #106 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:51 am

King Ken wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
King Ken wrote:You mean like Brandon Knight or Jrue Holiday who are no where near as good as Teague

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Jrue Holiday was signed long term and he was 22, coming off his all star year when his value was at its absolute highest, and not even then did he fetch a top 5 pick in a weak draft.

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Nerlens Noel was who they fetched which is why they made the trade. Noel was the #1 player coming out of the class but was going to mess the whole year due to an injury in college. Once again, don't come for me and they got Noel and a top 10 pick that next year. Don't come for me son.

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It doesn't matter at all who they selected with the pick. Jrue Holiday was a much more valuable trade chip back then than Teague is now.

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King Ken · Post #107 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 7:47 am

ATL Boy wrote:
King Ken wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:Jrue Holiday was signed long term and he was 22, coming off his all star year when his value was at its absolute highest, and not even then did he fetch a top 5 pick in a weak draft.

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Nerlens Noel was who they fetched which is why they made the trade. Noel was the #1 player coming out of the class but was going to mess the whole year due to an injury in college. Once again, don't come for me and they got Noel and a top 10 pick that next year. Don't come for me son.

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It doesn't matter at all who they selected with the pick. Jrue Holiday was a much more valuable trade chip back then than Teague is now.

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I said it once during the deadline and I will say it again. Wait and see. I will guarantee you he will be a Hawk if the value is good by what the Hawks want. I will guarantee it!

PandaKidd · Post #108 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 1:11 pm

What are you guaranteeing? That teague will be a hawk because we can't trade him for anything of value? Isn't that our point lol

And cmon Noel was ACL TEAR and not even playing. That was one of the weakest drafts in the last 20 years.

Teague will get you b+ talent right now. Unless a team like Cleveland (who doesn't need a PG) is in WIN NOW mode and they'll mortgage everything for a 1 year run. Currently can't think of a team that fits that bill. But even then CLE first round picks are late round value anyway.

We held teague too long, you're not breaking any molds here.

Calm down RC Buford

PandaKidd · Post #109 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 1:12 pm

It was more evident last night this team needs TALENT.

Talent > 2 PGs

Post #110 » by **dms269** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 1:15 pm

King Ken wrote:Jeff has prime value.

A. A top 10 PG who is entering his prime.
B. On a Great deal. 8 million.
C. Your only chance to get a very good PG since free agency will be weak at PG this year and you are unlikely to get one in 2017.
D. If you have cap room, he can be extended on the 2016-17 cap which is valuable to a lot of teams right now.

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A. Teague is not a top 10 pg right now. Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Lillard, IT, Walker, Bledsoe, Wall, irving are all better.
B. For only 1 more season.
C. How many teams are desperate for a point guard though and are willing to give up a major asset to do so? I have a feeling it isn't as high as you think.
D. Can and will are too different things. What incentive does Teague have to sign and extension on a lower cap number when he can get more money by waiting a year.

His bird rights aren't nearly as valuable to a team. Yes you can offer more money, but is Atlanta willing to risk him walking? If another teams throws a max deal and Atlanta was low balling him, he walks. Using the Jrue deal as the rule rather than the exception is a very flawed. Jrue was signed to a long-term deal, just put up nearly 18 point per game, and was younger than Teague.

PandaKidd · Post #111 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 1:25 pm

And it was the 76ers lol

King Ken · Post #112 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 2:40 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
King Ken wrote:Jeff has prime value.

A. A top 10 PG who is entering his prime.
B. On a Great deal. 8 million.
C. Your only chance to get a very good PG since free agency will be weak at PG this year and you are unlikely to get one in 2017.
D. If you have cap room, he can be extended on the 2016-17 cap which is valuable to a lot of teams right now.

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A. Teague is not a top 10 pg right now. Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Lowry, Lillard, IT, Walker, Bledsoe, Wall, irving are all better.
B. For only 1 more season.
C. How many teams are desperate for a point guard though and are willing to give up a major asset to do so? I have a feeling it isn't as high as you think.
D. Can and will are too different things. What incentive does Teague have to sign and extension on a lower cap number when he can get more money by waiting a year.

His bird rights aren't nearly as valuable to a team. Yes you can offer more money, but is Atlanta willing to risk him walking? If another teams throws a max deal and Atlanta was low balling him, he walks. Using the Jrue deal as the rule rather than the exception is a very flawed. Jrue was signed to a long-term deal, just put up nearly 18 point per game, and was younger than Teague.

We will see.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #113 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 4:16 pm

King Ken wrote:We will see.

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The question is, what are we waiting to see?!

King Ken · Post #114 » by **King Ken** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 4:43 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
King Ken wrote:We will see.

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The question is, what are we waiting to see?!

What happens?

You guys think your right while I think I am right. I was right during the trade deadline and I will right again in my opinion.

Just wait and see.

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Geaux_Hawks · Post #115 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:27 pm

Well it's obvious that you are wrong since teams(Bucks, Jazz) don't want to fork over the value for Teague. That's 2 teams with a surplus of what we need/wanted, fighting for playoff hopes, also with needs at PG, and they turned us down.

Post #116 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 5:37 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Well it's obvious that you are wrong since teams(Bucks, Jazz) don't want to fork over the value for Teague. That's 2 teams with a surplus of what we need/wanted, fighting for playoff hopes, also with needs at PG, and they turned us down.

GH, it's not even worth arguing with him.

It's not even clear what he's predicting.

Teague definitely won't get traded. Unless he gets traded for a great deal.

In which case he'll definitely get traded. He's literally arguing both sides of the debate, so he can claim victory no matter what.

To quote the late, great Jay-Z: A wise man said, never argue with fools...

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PandaKidd · Post #117 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Apr 2, 2016 10:33 pm

Yeah that's what I asked.

He's saying TEAGUE IS WORTH A PREMIUM

IF TEAGUE IS TRADED FOR A PREMIUM- "SEE I TOLD YOU SO"

if teague isn't traded -"SEE I TOLD YOU SO"

Post #118 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:05 pm

Teague's hot play of late should indeed be noted.

Does it muddy the water regarding what we should do with Teague this summer?

This has to increase his trade value at least a bit, right?

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Rip2137 · Post #119 » by **Rip2137** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 4:59 pm

Barring injury, Teague is going to have a amazing playoff showing and will definitely drive up his trade value, but to who? A lottery tram wouldn't be confident in resigning him I wouldn't think. A team missing a piece wouldn't really have the assets to make it worth while.

ATLHawksfan21 · Post #120 » by **ATLHawksfan21** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:05 pm

You might as well blow the whole team up if you trade Teague.

Do any of you actually have faith in Dennis stepping in as a competent starter next season?