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Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1081 » by dms269 » Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:51 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Potential trade target?

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1082 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:02 pm

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1083 » by jayu70 » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:32 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I knew this was coming...

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Pass, pass....pass, pass, pass.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1084 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 11, 2025 2:38 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I knew this was coming...



Pass, pass....pass, pass, pass.



You mean shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1085 » by jayu70 » Fri Apr 11, 2025 3:02 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I knew this was coming...



Pass, pass....pass, pass, pass.



You mean shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1086 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Apr 17, 2025 2:43 pm

Anybody want to take a buy low gamble on Sabonis?
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  • Lakers 2025 Pick
  • Bucks 2027 pick (protected)
  • Hawks 2030 Pick (top-3 protected)

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1087 » by jayu70 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:00 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Anybody want to take a buy low gamble on Sabonis?
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  • Kings 2025 Pick
  • Lakers 2025 Pick
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  • Hawks 2030 Pick (top-3 protected)

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What's buy low?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1088 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:11 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Anybody want to take a buy low gamble on Sabonis?



What's buy low?



I'm thinking...

  • Kings 2025 Pick
  • Lakers 2025 Pick
  • Bucks 2027 pick
  • Hawks 2030 Pick (top-3 protected)

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1089 » by CP War Hawks » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:02 am

Can't have a non defensive anchor with or w/o Trae in the lineup. When CC was a good one, the Hawks were near elite in the East so an easy pass on Sabonis.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1090 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:07 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Anybody want to take a buy low gamble on Sabonis?



What's buy low?



I'm thinking...

  • Kings 2025 Pick
  • Lakers 2025 Pick
  • Bucks 2027 pick
  • Hawks 2030 Pick (top-3 protected)

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I'm interested in Sabonis, but that feels like paying full sticker price vs buying low.

Maybe Kings pick back, Bucks 2027 pick, and Kobe plus salary.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1091 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:48 am

Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would compliment him well as a 4/5 pairing.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1092 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:45 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I knew this was coming...

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I would do this in a heart beat.

The downside is obvious but so is the upside.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1093 » by King Ken » Fri Apr 18, 2025 1:45 pm

Four 1sts for Sabonis is Basketball malpractice

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1094 » by CP War Hawks » Fri Apr 18, 2025 3:24 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would compliment him well as a 4/5 pairing.


Not really, you'd have to redo the entire frontcourt for Sabonis. A rangy 4 in the mold of KG or Rasheed Wallace to compensate. Athletic sf with good help defense.

Hawks need a long athletic rim protector, someone like Jarrett Allen for the current construct. CC was that player once, before his decline.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1095 » by jayu70 » Fri Apr 18, 2025 5:16 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would compliment him well as a 4/5 pairing.

We'd still lack paint AND rim protection AND real SIZE!
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1096 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:07 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Can't have a non defensive anchor with or w/o Trae in the lineup. When CC was a good one, the Hawks were near elite in the East so an easy pass on Sabonis.


jayu70 wrote:We'd still lack paint AND rim protection AND real SIZE!


Geaux_Hawks wrote:Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would complement him well as a 4/5 pairing.


CP War Hawks wrote:Not really, you'd have to redo the entire frontcourt for Sabonis.



A Sabonis trade isn't perfect.

But it adds an All Star caliber player to the rotation, provides front court depth, insurance for another long Jalen absence, bench scoring/rebounding.

And we can still add other pieces using the MLE.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1097 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Apr 18, 2025 8:55 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:
Geaux_Hawks wrote:Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would compliment him well as a 4/5 pairing.


Not really, you'd have to redo the entire frontcourt for Sabonis. A rangy 4 in the mold of KG or Rasheed Wallace to compensate. Athletic sf with good help defense.

Hawks need a long athletic rim protector, someone like Jarrett Allen for the current construct. CC was that player once, before his decline.


I've grown to understand that you're likely not going to find the most optimal fits. So I don't see a need to re-doing the entire front court. JJ provides some weakside help defense.

Yes we would still need a lengthy 5 with the ability to block shots, but that doesn't necessarily need to be in the starting lineup. It's not like we have the opportunity to get Bam, Allen, Mobley, Turner, or JJJ. Lopez could come off the bench maybe, but who's to say he doesn't just go to LA and become the starter.

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:Thinking about it more, a Sabonis trade really does make a lot of sense for us. Size, spacing, self creator, playmaker for others, strong rebounding, holds well on the block, mobile enough in the screen and roll game. OO would compliment him well as a 4/5 pairing.

We'd still lack paint AND rim protection AND real SIZE!


Paint protection? Sabonis can defend the paint. Rim protection and real size(length i'm assuming) I can understand. Like I mentioned above though, we can afford to not have that in the starting lineup. We just need to have the option available when needed, which we currently don't obviously.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1098 » by Rebound Mound » Fri Apr 18, 2025 10:52 pm

Sabonis is a 20+10+7 center at just 6-10 and strong, but not a rim protector or post scoring type of guy when he has to face or back up bigger oponents. He clearly has issues confronting the likes of AD, Gafford, Gobert, Lively, Ware, Jokic, his former team mate Turner and the likes. He is a great player, but I do not think he is what we need. He is not a shooter who can make up for this lack of post scoring ability.

I firmly believe we need to improve our front court depth by adding a relly big guy like Kessler, Markannen, Lively, Gafford, Robinson... but obtaining any of those would take one or two good players of our roster. Are we willing to send OO to Utah for Kessler? JJ and Kessler would be like a solid defensive duo who will lack shooting and JJ and OO is a good offensive duo that lacks size and intimidation, but offers passing, moving without the ball, shooting... so probably finding a 7-3 or 7-4 guy who can play defense and get rebounds and trying to get OO to play some minutes as a PF should be the most logical way, IMO.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1099 » by Rebound Mound » Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:02 pm

The news say that we would take the steps needed to sign Westbrook this summer, as he seems destined to be out of the Nuggets.
It is a fact that surprises me, as I believe Westbrook worked really well for the Nuggets and seemed like a great duo with Jokic.
If he really is going to be available, it seems like a perfect fit for the team.
Pairing Westbrook and Danilels at times would be a defensive problem for any backcourt in the league and Westbrook, Daniels, JJ and OO, with a 5th defensive player could be a tremendous defensive five.
Also he could play alongside Trae for Trae to play even more off the ball.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#1100 » by Rebound Mound » Fri Apr 18, 2025 11:34 pm

In any case, I am sure that the best way for this group to improve and the path I hope that happens is through the development of two players like Gueye and Rissacher. If the French can maintain a regular input of 15 points and Gueye can show that you have to be honest by not conceding his threes, plus he can score a bit inside and be a presence when rebounding and defending big guys, then we would be a much better team, as they are already tall, long athletes who can run, penetrate, shoot and be on the passing lines.

Trae
Daniels
Risacher
Johnson
Okongu
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Westbrook
Mann
Levert
Gueye
Kessler
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