Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[saloonyk8]

There's no other top 20 player that really fits the Hawks core as much as KAT, especially given how we need someone in the frontcourt to punish Embiid, Giannis, and KD in the playoffs.

If you include reddish or Hunter you can probably keep the picks. Imo if you can keep OO, Hunter, Reddish, Bogi, and Trae those picks are in the 20s every year... Especially with KAT

We don't need KAT to carry the team

[King Ken]

I am not big on any of the trades. None of them really fit more than what we have now. The development of Hunter and Reddish is our biggest way we can become elite anyway.

[saloonyk8]

I am not big on any of the trades. None of them really fit more than what we have now. The development of Hunter and Reddish is our biggest way we can become elite anyway.

I pretty much agree but what fun is trade chatter then?!

But I do think Hunter and Reddish trade values are high (and could be higher in a few months) and there's no guarantee that they become more than 3D players

[Geaux_Hawks]

Would Minnesota take this if KAT wants out:

Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP

For KAT

I would rather trade two FRP than Reddish or Hunter

Hunter and Reddish are keepers. No way ATL trade them, even for KAT
And Collins, Capela, Huerter, 2 FRP for KAT is too much IMO, he's not worth more than the three players wihtout the FRP. Schlenk love flexibility and won't put FRP for KAT, his only one playoffs experience was 15pts/13rbds/2ast... 27% from 3pts, so far from his regular season production except on rebounding. A bit like Randle this season, he may get a regular season treatment where teams "let" him play and try to limit the other players, but once defended well in playoffs...

To be fair, Butler was also cheeks in the series. Our very own Clint Capela was also the opposing center who had big moments, and Houston was simply just a better team overall.

[D21]

I am not big on any of the trades. None of them really fit more than what we have now. The development of Hunter and Reddish is our biggest way we can become elite anyway.

I pretty much agree but what fun is trade chatter then?!

But I do think Hunter and Reddish trade values are high (and could be higher in a few months) and there's no guarantee that they become more than 3D players

If they both become 3D players with the same impact that Crowder had on MIA and has now on PHX, but with more speed being younger, I would not care less about that.
0/8 FG in Finals Game1 and best +/- of the team (as a starter and playing 33min), it says a lot on his team impact. I see Hunter being able to have that kind of impact on this team. Reddish... if he improves his handle, he can be hard to guard.

[Jamaaliver]

Putting this here, so we're not hijacking that other thread:

I think that you are very/over enamoured with what Simmons can do and ignoring what he clearly can't do: score and shoot FT. He was so bad they had to take him out of the game in crunch time. Without him Hawks likely don't make ECF....

Simmons at center OMG, that's a joke. Size still matters in the NBA.

You do know that Capela and Ben Simmons are the same size, right?

And that Capela can't score or shoot FT's either. While Ben Simmons shot a putrid 32% from the FT line in our series...Clint Capela shot an even worse 22% from the FT line.

And on top of that, Capela can't pass, dribble, defend on the perimeter or create offense for himself or others at all.

If all those shooting woes and size concerns are reasons not to pursue Ben Simmons, why are they not dealbreakers with Clint Capela who's gotten manhandled in multiple postseason series.

[tbhawksfan1]

Putting this here, so we're not hijacking that other thread:

I think that you are very/over enamoured with what Simmons can do and ignoring what he clearly can't do: score and shoot FT. He was so bad they had to take him out of the game in crunch time. Without him Hawks likely don't make ECF....

Simmons at center OMG, that's a joke. Size still matters in the NBA.

You do know that Capela and Ben Simmons are the same size, right?

And that Capela can't score or shoot FT's either. While Ben Simmons shot a putrid 32% from the FT line in our series...Clint Capela shot an even worse 22% from the FT line.

And on top of that, Capela can't pass, dribble, defend on the perimeter or create offense for himself or others at all.

If all those shooting woes and size concerns are reasons not to pursue Ben Simmons, why are they not dealbreakers with Clint Capela who's gotten manhandled in multiple postseason series.

I'm not advocating trading for Capela. Happy to have him though, he came cheap. Great trade.

I think that Simmons is one of the most over-rated players in the league...because of his severe offensive limitations. He is also over-paid in my opinion. So the cost of trading for him, his crap offense and his cap cost make him low on my list.

The biggest issue I have with the trade for a star talk is the disregard for the potential of this Hawks team. After what they did this season I don't even have to rely only on potential because they had a great season. I believe in these guys.

I would love to have more size and post scoring.... Simmons has a mental thing. Guy was afraid of dunking on Trae wide open under the basket

[Spud2nique]

Putting this here, so we're not hijacking that other thread:

I think that you are very/over enamoured with what Simmons can do and ignoring what he clearly can't do: score and shoot FT. He was so bad they had to take him out of the game in crunch time. Without him Hawks likely don't make ECF....

Simmons at center OMG, that's a joke. Size still matters in the NBA.

You do know that Capela and Ben Simmons are the same size, right?

And that Capela can't score or shoot FT's either. While Ben Simmons shot a putrid 32% from the FT line in our series...Clint Capela shot an even worse 22% from the FT line.

And on top of that, Capela can't pass, dribble, defend on the perimeter or create offense for himself or others at all.

If all those shooting woes and size concerns are reasons not to pursue Ben Simmons, why are they not dealbreakers with Clint Capela who's gotten manhandled in multiple postseason series.

I'm not advocating trading for Capela. Happy to have him though, he came cheap. Great trade.

I think that Simmons is one of the most over-rated players in the league...because of his severe offensive limitations. He is also over-paid in my opinion. So the cost of trading for him, his crap offense and his cap cost make him low on my list.

The biggest issue I have with the trade for a star talk is the disregard for the potential of this Hawks team. After what they did this season I don't even have to rely only on potential because they had a great season. I believe in these guys.

I would love to have more size and post scoring.... Simmons has a mental thing. Guy was afraid of dunking on Trae wide open under the basket

Simmons seems to not have a heart like the tin man. He’s almost too cool for school like he’s what he is and if you don’t like it too bad.

Hawks look for players with heart. It’s a trend. Trae, Collins, Okongwu..

[jayu70]

KD is also 6'-10'/11' and 240lbs - doesn't make him a Center (Giannis too I believe).
As 'enticing' as Ben Simmons skillset is as a ball handler, perimter defense, and all the other things he excels at etc...the one skill he doesn't excel at and the one I consider most important in a player in todays NBA is SHOOTING.   He can't shoot and more importantly he WON'T shoot. He's scared to shoot.

[Jamaaliver]

I think that Simmons is one of the most over-rated players in the league...because of his severe offensive limitations. He is also over-paid in my opinion. So the cost of trading for him, his crap offense and his cap cost make him low on my list.

The biggest issue I have with the trade for a star talk is the disregard for the potential of this Hawks team. After what they did this season I don't even have to rely only on potential because they had a great season. I believe in these guys.

Now these are compelling arguments. I respect (and understand) every bit of this.

[saloonyk8]

It's possible Simmons could thrive as a small ball 5 and take the league by storm... It's also possible he will have a tough time being a 5. He did have the benefit of not guarding 5s since they had Embiid.

The FT and mental issues for max player are concerning.

If he was on the rookie deal it's a totally different equation. If sixers understood his talent and shortcomings two years ago they should've made a deal then... It wasn't THAT hard of a decision because they already had a center lol

[CP War Hawks]

I'm most interested at getting off Capela and Bogi's deals by next offseason. I get that it totally goes against continuation, but that's a worthwhile offseason to have good flexibility.

[Jamaaliver]

This isn't great value, but the depth at guard would be useful as we look to defend our division crown.

1 Trade for Every NBA Team Not in the 2021 Finals

Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics



Boston Celtics receive: John Collins (sign-and-trade)

Atlanta Hawks receive: Marcus Smart and Romeo Langford

The Celtics need a third scorer to replace Kemba Walker's production, and the Hawks need a perimeter stopper to help Trae Young from getting overexposed. The puzzle pieces could align for a win-win swap.

John Collins needs a new deal, and Atlanta seems less than committal about paying it. Hawks governor Tony Ressler said the team hopes to reach a "fair agreement" with Collins, per The Athletic's Chris Kirschner, which makes it sound like there's a walk-away price point for Atlanta.

The Celtics could be more willing to meet that number since Collins is on the same timeline as star wings Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. With these three leading the offense, Boston could have the backbone of a top-10 attack.

As for Atlanta, Smart would help balance this offense-leaning roster as a two-time All-Defensive first-team honoree. Romeo Langford, meanwhile, should still have time to tap into the talent that made him the 14th overall pick in 2019.

Bleacher Report

[jayu70]

This isn't great value, but the depth at guard would be useful as we look to defend our division crown.

1 Trade for Every NBA Team Not in the 2021 Finals

Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics



Boston Celtics receive: John Collins (sign-and-trade)

Atlanta Hawks receive: Marcus Smart and Romeo Langford

The Celtics need a third scorer to replace Kemba Walker's production, and the Hawks need a perimeter stopper to help Trae Young from getting overexposed. The puzzle pieces could align for a win-win swap.

John Collins needs a new deal, and Atlanta seems less than committal about paying it. Hawks governor Tony Ressler said the team hopes to reach a "fair agreement" with Collins, per The Athletic's Chris Kirschner, which makes it sound like there's a walk-away price point for Atlanta.

The Celtics could be more willing to meet that number since Collins is on the same timeline as star wings Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. With these three leading the offense, Boston could have the backbone of a top-10 attack.

As for Atlanta, Smart would help balance this offense-leaning roster as a two-time All-Defensive first-team honoree. Romeo Langford, meanwhile, should still have time to tap into the talent that made him the 14th overall pick in 2019.

Bleacher Report

It's actually horrible. Smart is on a 1 year deal so this time next season we'll be back in the same boat but this time with an UFA that can walk for nothing, also considering that Huerter is also due his deal next offseason.

[kg01]

This isn't great value, but the depth at guard would be useful as we look to defend our division crown.

1 Trade for Every NBA Team Not in the 2021 Finals

Atlanta Hawks, Boston Celtics



Boston Celtics receive: John Collins (sign-and-trade)

Atlanta Hawks receive: Marcus Smart and Romeo Langford

The Celtics need a third scorer to replace Kemba Walker's production, and the Hawks need a perimeter stopper to help Trae Young from getting overexposed. The puzzle pieces could align for a win-win swap.

John Collins needs a new deal, and Atlanta seems less than committal about paying it. Hawks governor Tony Ressler said the team hopes to reach a "fair agreement" with Collins, per The Athletic's Chris Kirschner, which makes it sound like there's a walk-away price point for Atlanta.

The Celtics could be more willing to meet that number since Collins is on the same timeline as star wings Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. With these three leading the offense, Boston could have the backbone of a top-10 attack.

As for Atlanta, Smart would help balance this offense-leaning roster as a two-time All-Defensive first-team honoree. Romeo Langford, meanwhile, should still have time to tap into the talent that made him the 14th overall pick in 2019.

Bleacher Report

It's actually horrible. Smart is on a 1 year deal so this time next season we'll be back in the same boat but this time with an UFA that can walk for nothing, also considering that Huerter is also due his deal next offseason.

That's terrible on top of horrible. Especially when you consider the fact that the "sweetener" in that deal is pretty bad in his own right. There'll be about 8 dudes drafted this year who are already better than Langford right now.

[dms269]

Usually if a guy is a sweetener, he needs to be more than a 3rd/4th string player. Smart has had issue with Young in the past. Not saying they can't overcome their differences, but he has tried to pick a fight with Bembry and the refs in one game, and did the step over Trae on another. That in combination with his contract situation makes it a no go.

[saloonyk8]

Is there a way to get Lonzo Ball instead of Smart? I know Lonzo is restricted but he could be a great fit with Trae. It would also make Huerter tradeable. I think Lonzo will probably be about 4/80 instead of the 120 with Collins so it makes a lot of sense financially.

I'd be surprised if Lonzo gets more than 20-22 per year but it's the NBA

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[jayu70]

KD is also 6'-10'/11' and 240lbs - doesn't make him a Center (Giannis too I believe).
As 'enticing' as Ben Simmons skillset is as a ball handler, perimter defense, and all the other things he excels at etc...the one skill he doesn't excel at and the one I consider most important in a player in todays NBA is SHOOTING.   He can't shoot and more importantly he WON'T shoot. He's scared to shoot.

Just following up on this:

The Philadelphia 76ers decided against re-signing Jimmy Butler to a long-term deal in the summer of 2019, and Fox Sports' Yaron Weitzman reported Philly point guard Ben Simmons' frustration with seeing Butler run the offense played a part in that decision:

"According to league sources, Simmons’ frustration at being relegated to off-ball duty during the team’s 2019 second-round loss to the Raptors contributed to the front office’s decision to not re-sign Jimmy Butler. Brown had handed Butler the keys to the offense, and management was worried how Simmons would handle having Butler around and monopolizing crunch-time playmaking duties for multiple years."

Simmons would need to change is entire mindset, he'd need to become more of a screener, roller to effectively play C fulltime, play without the ball - good luck with that.

[Patsfan1081]

Usually if a guy is a sweetener, he needs to be more than a 3rd/4th string player. Smart has had issue with Young in the past. Not saying they can't overcome their differences, but he has tried to pick a fight with Bembry and the refs in one game, and did the step over Trae on another. That in combination with his contract situation makes it a no go.

So Langford is already labeled as a fourth string player before playing even a full season of ball yet Reddish has high trade value and is untouchable to most? They’ve both had injury issues and have put up equally as bad numbers when on the court. Labeling opposite ends of the spectrum doesn’t make sense…..