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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#121 » by kg01 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:36 pm

King Ken wrote:LMA is protect the paint and rim defensively, he can score on the block, mid range and he sets great screens. I used to have issues considering our blistering pace but we don't play fast anymore.

I just think he is a good center. Not very good anymore but just good. Not to mention, he is cheap. A 2nd round pick isn't that much


Ah, that's where the disconnect is. In his best day, LMA could barely find the paint. Much less, "protect" it. He ain't no rim-protector. Never really has been. Speaking of "has been" ... ohhh, shots fired. :)
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#122 » by King Ken » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:38 pm

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King Ken wrote:LMA is protect the paint and rim defensively, he can score on the block, mid range and he sets great screens. I used to have issues considering our blistering pace but we don't play fast anymore.

I just think he is a good center. Not very good anymore but just good. Not to mention, he is cheap. A 2nd round pick isn't that much


Ah, that's where the disconnect is. In his best day, LMA could barely find the paint. Much less, "protect" it. He ain't no rim-protector. Never really has been. Speaking of "has been" ... ohhh, shots fired. :)

He is not a rim protector in terms of shot-blocking but he does provide resistance like Len. Like Baynes's suggestion before the season, I think you guys will like it more if it actually happened than just talk.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#123 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:07 pm

What might we be willing to dangle in front of ORL to grab Mamba?

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#124 » by NYG » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:43 pm

What bridges the gap from Serge Ibaka for Allen Crabbe and Alex Len? Would Atlanta add anything as incentive?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#125 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:25 am

NYG wrote:What bridges the gap from Serge Ibaka for Allen Crabbe and Alex Len? Would Atlanta add anything as incentive?


Serge would fit in nicely here.

But can't see Hawks paying value for a rental they can pursue in Free Agency next summer.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#126 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:14 am

I'd rather not put band aids on the center position on such a young team like they've been doing. It's time to invest into one with the draft picks, trade, or cap money.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#127 » by D21 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:51 am

Trade possibilities will all depend on ATL record at the time John will come back.
If they can hope for a playoffs spot, they can be interested to make a move which doesn't hurt future flexibility, if they are far from playoffs spot, Schlenk can decide to tank and get one last big draft with ATL pick and BKN pick which has better chances to be for ATL if ATL doesn't try to get the 7 or 8 spot in the East...
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#128 » by King Ken » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:05 pm

To me,
My trade list is this:
1. Nerlens Noel
2. Tristan Thompson
3. Serge Ibaka
4. Mo Bamba

My would love to trade for if the price is right is:
1. Steven Adams
2. Aron Baynes

My do not want due to contract status:
1. Andre Drummond
2. Hassan Whiteside

I am open to trading a 2nd round or two 2nds for a center.

For a center I really want like Adams, I am open to trading OKC 1st 2021.

I don't want Drummond, potential max deal for a B level player and Whiteside, terrible fit and would do more harm than good.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#129 » by King Ken » Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:07 pm

D21 wrote:Trade possibilities will all depend on ATL record at the time John will come back.
If they can hope for a playoffs spot, they can be interested to make a move which doesn't hurt future flexibility, if they are far from playoffs spot, Schlenk can decide to tank and get one last big draft with ATL pick and BKN pick which has better chances to be for ATL if ATL doesn't try to get the 7 or 8 spot in the East...

We are only 2.5 half games out of the playoffs right now wjth the toughest schedule in the NBA with suspensions and injuries.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#130 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:38 am

Looking at the FA class for bigs, it's not that bad actually. Going to put them in tiers according to fit, costs, etc.

Tier 1:
Thompson - should be fairly affordable. Only weakness for the team is a total non shooter.
Ibaka - only real negative is the age, does everything Pierce and co. looks for.
Harrell - my top guy. I understand he's not the best fit, but that toughness is what this young team needs the most.

Tier 2:
Baynes - negatives are are non shot blocker and up in age.
Drummond - non shooter and expensive. His combination of size, defense, and production for the team is enticing.
Okafor - idk, basically a poorman's Drummond. I feel the staff can squeeze some long distance shooting out of him.

Tier 3:
Favors - should be attainable. Body seems to be breaking down.
Skal - I really like what I see from this guy so far. Not ready to play big minutes, but the fit is strong with this one.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#131 » by King Ken » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:07 pm

These guys need to be traded:

Allen Crabbe
Damien Jones
Tyrone Wallace
Chandler Parsons

We need a backup PG and a starting potential center or swing center.

We got other issues but those can be addressed in the offseason. These need to be addressed now
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Post#132 » by kg01 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:15 pm

What value do you put on any of them? To me, those look like guys that'll get cut in a few months more than guys that could be traded.

Teams probably lol'd when they saw Parsons get wheeled out there. Wallace is a j.a.g. gleaguer. Replace him with another guy and no one would know the difference. I've seen enough there.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#133 » by jayu70 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:27 pm

King Ken wrote:These guys need to be traded:

Allen Crabbe
Damien Jones
Tyrone Wallace
Chandler Parsons

We need a backup PG and a starting potential center or swing center.

We got other issues but those can be addressed in the offseason. These need to be addressed now

Crabbe is the only one with any trade value and that even maybe a stretch. Unless he's shooting lights our from 3 by the end of December...he'll get waived and sign with a contender for the playoffs.

Chandler Parsons only value is in his expiring contract.

Jones - not getting anything for a 7 footer that gets 6 rebounds in 63 minutes
Wallace - no real value.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#134 » by King Ken » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:33 pm

jayu70 wrote:
King Ken wrote:These guys need to be traded:

Allen Crabbe
Damien Jones
Tyrone Wallace
Chandler Parsons

We need a backup PG and a starting potential center or swing center.

We got other issues but those can be addressed in the offseason. These need to be addressed now

Crabbe is the only one with any trade value and that even maybe a stretch. Unless he's shooting lights our from 3 by the end of December...he'll get waived and sign with a contender for the playoffs.

Chandler Parsons only value is in his expiring contract.

Jones - not getting anything for a 7 footer that gets 6 rebounds in 63 minutes
Wallace - no real value.

We got 2nd round picks for a reason
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#135 » by jayu70 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:40 pm

King Ken wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
King Ken wrote:These guys need to be traded:

Allen Crabbe
Damien Jones
Tyrone Wallace
Chandler Parsons

We need a backup PG and a starting potential center or swing center.

We got other issues but those can be addressed in the offseason. These need to be addressed now

Crabbe is the only one with any trade value and that even maybe a stretch. Unless he's shooting lights our from 3 by the end of December...he'll get waived and sign with a contender for the playoffs.

Chandler Parsons only value is in his expiring contract.

Jones - not getting anything for a 7 footer that gets 6 rebounds in 63 minutes
Wallace - no real value.

We got 2nd round picks for a reason

Who's giving us real 2nds for Parsons, Wallace...not fake 2nds that won't convey. We only get a 2nd if we take back future long term money which means more than likely the player we are getting back isn't worth his contract. Hopefully they can play.
we would probably be the ones giving 2nds to get a PG an C.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#136 » by King Ken » Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:46 pm

jayu70 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Crabbe is the only one with any trade value and that even maybe a stretch. Unless he's shooting lights our from 3 by the end of December...he'll get waived and sign with a contender for the playoffs.

Chandler Parsons only value is in his expiring contract.

Jones - not getting anything for a 7 footer that gets 6 rebounds in 63 minutes
Wallace - no real value.

We got 2nd round picks for a reason

Who's giving us real 2nds for Parsons, Wallace...not fake 2nds that won't convey. We only get a 2nd if we take back future long term money which means more than likely the player we are getting back isn't worth his contract. Hopefully they can play.
we would probably be the ones giving 2nds to get a PG an C.

Other than for Crabbe? No one, that's why we got 2nds is what I meant.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#137 » by dms269 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:52 pm

King Ken wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
King Ken wrote:We got 2nd round picks for a reason

Who's giving us real 2nds for Parsons, Wallace...not fake 2nds that won't convey. We only get a 2nd if we take back future long term money which means more than likely the player we are getting back isn't worth his contract. Hopefully they can play.
we would probably be the ones giving 2nds to get a PG an C.

Other than for Crabbe? No one, that's why we got 2nds is what I meant.
I doubt you get a starting center for 2nds.

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#138 » by King Ken » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:57 pm

dms269 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Who's giving us real 2nds for Parsons, Wallace...not fake 2nds that won't convey. We only get a 2nd if we take back future long term money which means more than likely the player we are getting back isn't worth his contract. Hopefully they can play.
we would probably be the ones giving 2nds to get a PG an C.

Other than for Crabbe? No one, that's why we got 2nds is what I meant.
I doubt you get a starting center for 2nds.

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I think you can get lower-end ones like Noel and Baynes. Not solid ones like Adams, that will take a 1st rounder which we can't do at this time.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#139 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:27 pm

Crabbe should have some value for a contender. Numbers don't show it but his 3 shot looks good. Maybe the best you could do is late Bucks 1st and one of their negative contracts.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#140 » by VCfor3 » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:21 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Crabbe should have some value for a contender. Numbers don't show it but his 3 shot looks good. Maybe the best you could do is late Bucks 1st and one of their negative contracts.


Matching salary may be the biggest hangup for a deal. I'm not sure what good team has a large negative contract they'd be willing to pay to get off of in a Crabbe trade. MIA has James Johnson and Dion Waiters, but they can't take on additional salary and I can't see them using their 2025 1st when they have enough guards thanks to their rookies. It's the same situation Memphis finds itself in with Iggy. Few teams are contenders with interest that also have matching salary that would warrant additional value being added.

The trade that is kinda interesting for you guys IMO is Nene+2nd or two into your last little bit of cap space. Houston saves money on their tax bill and you guys get some small assets for your remaining cap space.

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