How can ATL best utilize the new Young-Murray backcourt?
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This bonus looks a bit paradoxal to me:
it certainly made Murray working out more on his 3pts shot, which is a benefit
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it also not the best thing to ask him to shoot more from the 3pts line while you want to make him play as PG with Trae off the ball
Unless Trae would be able to pass the ball back to Murray and see him taking a catch-&-shoot 3 pointer, I don't see how it help, because I think it leads more to Murray playing ISO
I would prefer to offer him a $1M bonus if the team pass the first round, $2M if pass second round... than using these individual stat goals bonus.
it certainly made Murray working out more on his 3pts shot, which is a benefit
but
it also not the best thing to ask him to shoot more from the 3pts line while you want to make him play as PG with Trae off the ball
Unless Trae would be able to pass the ball back to Murray and see him taking a catch-&-shoot 3 pointer, I don't see how it help, because I think it leads more to Murray playing ISO
I would prefer to offer him a $1M bonus if the team pass the first round, $2M if pass second round... than using these individual stat goals bonus.
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D21 wrote:This bonus looks a bit paradoxal to me:
it certainly made Murray working out more on his 3pts shot, which is a benefit
but
it also not the best thing to ask him to shoot more from the 3pts line while you want to make him play as PG with Trae off the ball
Unless Trae would be able to pass the ball back to Murray and see him taking a catch-&-shoot 3 pointer, I don't see how it help, because I think it leads more to Murray playing ISO
I would prefer to offer him a $1M bonus if the team pass the first round, $2M if pass second round... than using these individual stat goals bonus.
The incentive was included in his original contract from San Antonio.
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jayu70 wrote:The incentive was included in his original contract from San Antonio.
Haha! Totally forgot that, and it made more sense regarding how he was playing there
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Bleacher ReportThe balancing act that the Atlanta Hawks have had to conduct all season between Trae Young and Dejounte Murray has been a tricky one. And it doesn't look like the arrival of Quin Snyder was a quick fix.
Atlanta is 3-5 in Snyder's eight games, with a bottom-four defense over that stretch. And that's with the team's three supposed defensive linchpins (Murray, De'Andre Hunter and Clint Capela) available throughout.
Constructing a high-end defense may not be as easy for Snyder as it was with the Utah Jazz, when he had Rudy Gobert, who helped that squad post an above-average defensive rating every year Snyder was there.
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This is the problem....anyone expecting some quick fix elixir.
And it doesn't look like the arrival of Quin Snyder was a quick fix.
And it doesn't look like the arrival of Quin Snyder was a quick fix.
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Forbes.comThe Hawks' offense often cratered when Young left the floor in past years, which is partially why they acquired Murray this past offseason. From 2019-20 through 2021-22, Atlanta averaged 117.5 points per 100 possessions with Young on the court and only 105.9 per 100 whenever he was off. This year, they're averaging 117.8 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor and 112.2 per 100 with him off, a marked upgrade from where they were over the past few seasons.
The addition of Murray should also have enabled Young to operate more off the ball, but that hasn't come to fruition yet. Only 1.4 of his 6.6 three-point attempts per game of are the catch-and-shoot variety, even though he's shooting 37.2 percent on those looks. The other 5.3 three-pointers per game are pull-ups, and he's shooting only 32.7 percent on those. Last season, he shot 48.1 percent on his 1.0 catch-and-shoot three-point attempts per game, and he shot 37.0 percent on his 6.9 pull-up three-point attempts.
If Snyder can coax Young into becoming more active off the ball, particularly when he shares the floor with Murray, it should only raise the ceiling on the Hawks' offense.
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Jamaaliver wrote:Forbes.comThe Hawks' offense often cratered when Young left the floor in past years, which is partially why they acquired Murray this past offseason. From 2019-20 through 2021-22, Atlanta averaged 117.5 points per 100 possessions with Young on the court and only 105.9 per 100 whenever he was off. This year, they're averaging 117.8 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor and 112.2 per 100 with him off, a marked upgrade from where they were over the past few seasons.
The addition of Murray should also have enabled Young to operate more off the ball, but that hasn't come to fruition yet. Only 1.4 of his 6.6 three-point attempts per game of are the catch-and-shoot variety, even though he's shooting 37.2 percent on those looks. The other 5.3 three-pointers per game are pull-ups, and he's shooting only 32.7 percent on those. Last season, he shot 48.1 percent on his 1.0 catch-and-shoot three-point attempts per game, and he shot 37.0 percent on his 6.9 pull-up three-point attempts.
If Snyder can coax Young into becoming more active off the ball, particularly when he shares the floor with Murray, it should only raise the ceiling on the Hawks' offense.
Design a deliberate offseason that has him moving off ball with purpose and intention.
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What would need to be offered for Hawks to consider trading Murray? How many FRPs is he worth? Baring in my he has one year left on his deal.
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That_Casual wrote:What would need to be offered for Hawks to consider trading Murray? How many FRPs is he worth? Baring in my he has one year left on his deal.
We need a legit player in return. Not picks.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????
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That's crazy to believe that's true.Jamaaliver wrote:Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????
The two of them desperately need a superstar talent on the frontcourt.
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Probably Bill Simmons and his Ringer ctew. The have what I think are the worse trade ideas when it comes to the Hawks.
Probably Bill Simmons and his Ringer ctew. The have what I think are the worse trade ideas when it comes to the Hawks.
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Cards on the table, I’m on board with moving Dejounte in trade this summer. Part of it is the fit between the players.
(Trae needs a 3&D player like Middleton or Klay next to him.)
But mainly, I don’t believe Dejounte is worth a max contract or anywhere near it. And it’s gonna cost some team $35+ million to re-sign him in 2024. We’ve already seen the fan base turn on fan favorite John Collins because he’s overpaid, seems inevitable Dejounte will end up on the receiving end of fan ire for the same reason.
Dejounte would be great in Minnesota, LA Clippers, Toronto, Chicago or Phoenix. And each of those teams could send us a better fitting All Star in return.
(Trae needs a 3&D player like Middleton or Klay next to him.)
But mainly, I don’t believe Dejounte is worth a max contract or anywhere near it. And it’s gonna cost some team $35+ million to re-sign him in 2024. We’ve already seen the fan base turn on fan favorite John Collins because he’s overpaid, seems inevitable Dejounte will end up on the receiving end of fan ire for the same reason.
Dejounte would be great in Minnesota, LA Clippers, Toronto, Chicago or Phoenix. And each of those teams could send us a better fitting All Star in return.
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