Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Jamaaliver]

Thoughts on moving Dedmon, Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick for Jabari Parker (and the contract of Mirza Teletovic)?

We take a gamble on a kid in exchange for 2nd rounders and expiring contracts. He's not scheduled to return until February. But word is he is ahead of schedule in rehab.

Parker was playing at a high level before tearing the ACL for the second time. In 51 appearances last season, Parker averaged 20.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 2.8 assists. [H]e will become a restricted free agent in 2018.

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A) Would we need to add more value or would we be catching them desperate as Kidd coaches for his job trying to secure a top 4 playoff spot?

B) What would you guys give up to get Brogdon added?

[ATL Boy]

I'd do that deal for Parker. Even if he's expiring, obtaining his rights is valuable because he's a RFA this summer. We need talent, and this is a low risk/high reward move to add a player who has talent.

Also Mirza is shooting around 48% from 3 this year, but he just went down with an injury which will sideline him for a month.


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[kg01]

Thoughts on moving Dedmon, Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick for Jabari Parker (and the contract of Mirza Teletovic)?

We take a gamble on a kid in exchange for 2nd rounders and expiring contracts. He's not scheduled to return until February. But word is he is ahead of schedule in rehab.

Parker was playing at a high level before tearing the ACL for the second time. In 51 appearances last season, Parker averaged 20.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 2.8 assists. [H]e will become a restricted free agent in 2018.

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A) Would we need to add more value or would we be catching them desperate as Kidd coaches for his job trying to secure a top 4 playoff spot?

B) What would you guys give up to get Brogdon added?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. No way MIL does that deal though. First, Kidd is in with the owners there so I doubt his seat is even as warm as you think Budz's is ( c'mon, you laughed).

IOW, they're not in desperation mode yet. Plus, they just traded for Bledsoe so they probably think they need time to gel or w/e before they panic about results.

A. Yes. Maybe HOU's 1st instead of the 2nd would do it? I'd still do that .. maybe?

B. Pass unless I have a Giannis-level player to play next to him thereby making him look imminently better than he actual is.

[Jamaaliver]

Thoughts on moving Dedmon, Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick for Jabari Parker (and the contract of Mirza Teletovic)?

A) Would we need to add more value or would we be catching them desperate as Kidd coaches for his job trying to secure a top 4 playoff spot?

B) What would you guys give up to get Brogdon added?

A. Yes. Maybe HOU's 1st instead of the 2nd would do it? I'd still do that .. maybe?

B. Pass unless I have a Giannis-level player to play next to him thereby making him look imminently better than he actual is.

Fair enough. Though I really like Brogdon. Putting him next to a guy like Doncic would be a really ideal pairing. (The ages don't exactly matchup, though.)

Brogdon, Doncic, Taurean, Collins -- that's a solid place to start building and an incredibly well balanced team for next year's iteration.

[kg01]

Thoughts on moving Dedmon, Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick for Jabari Parker (and the contract of Mirza Teletovic)?

A) Would we need to add more value or would we be catching them desperate as Kidd coaches for his job trying to secure a top 4 playoff spot?

B) What would you guys give up to get Brogdon added?

A. Yes. Maybe HOU's 1st instead of the 2nd would do it? I'd still do that .. maybe?

B. Pass unless I have a Giannis-level player to play next to him thereby making him look imminently better than he actual is.

Fair enough. Though I really like Brogdon. Putting him next to a guy like Doncic would be a really ideal pairing. (The ages don't exactly matchup, though.)

Brogdon, Doncic, Taurean, Collins -- that's a solid place to start building and an incredibly well balanced team for next year's iteration.

Only if BadonkaDoncic ends up being an alpha, ultra-scoring offensive player which isn't what he's being billed as. What kind of player is Doncic supposed to be in the league? Every description I've seen makes me think he's a guard/forward-version of Horford which is fine but only if you have an alpha to pair him with.

I don't want another master-facilitator. I want an alpha-dawg.

[jayu70]

Thoughts on moving Dedmon, Bellinelli and a 2nd round pick for Jabari Parker (and the contract of Mirza Teletovic)?

We take a gamble on a kid in exchange for 2nd rounders and expiring contracts. He's not scheduled to return until February. But word is he is ahead of schedule in rehab.

Parker was playing at a high level before tearing the ACL for the second time. In 51 appearances last season, Parker averaged 20.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 2.8 assists. [H]e will become a restricted free agent in 2018.

ESPN



A) Would we need to add more value or would we be catching them desperate as Kidd coaches for his job trying to secure a top 4 playoff spot?

B) What would you guys give up to get Brogdon added?

I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. No way MIL does that deal though. First, Kidd is in with the owners there so I doubt his seat is even as warm as you think Budz's is ( c'mon, you laughed).

IOW, they're not in desperation mode yet. Plus, they just traded for Bledsoe so they probably think they need time to gel or w/e before they panic about results.

A. Yes. Maybe HOU's 1st instead of the 2nd would do it? I'd still do that .. maybe?

B. Pass unless I have a Giannis-level player to play next to him thereby making him look imminently better than he actual is.

I think the Bucks would probably want the Houston first and they'd probably prefer us to take Henson in lieu of Telly - he has a longer contract. If that happens then the 2nd should be fine for having to eat Henson.
I agree about Brogdon, he needs a real alpha next to him.

[Jamaaliver]

A. Yes. Maybe HOU's 1st instead of the 2nd would do it? I'd still do that .. maybe?

B. Pass unless I have a Giannis-level player to play next to him thereby making him look imminently better than he actual is.

Fair enough. Though I really like Brogdon. Putting him next to a guy like Doncic would be a really ideal pairing. (The ages don't exactly matchup, though.)

Brogdon, Doncic, Taurean, Collins -- that's a solid place to start building and an incredibly well balanced team for next year's iteration.

Only if BadonkaDoncic ends up being an alpha, ultra-scoring offensive player which isn't what he's being billed as. What kind of player is Doncic supposed to be in the league? Every description I've seen makes me think he's a guard/forward-version of Horford which is fine but only if you have an alpha to pair him with.

I don't want another master-facilitator. I want an alpha-dawg.

Which is why I was proposing trading for Jabari Parker...but fair enough.

And yeah, Brogdon next to a top scoring option would work well.

(Probably better than Dennis next to a top scoring option.)

[Spud2nique]

Just get Doncic and don't worry about whose next to him. I've seen a lot of prospects in my day and this kid has IT. I'll go on record as saying he will be a top 5 European NBA player in history when it's all said and done..(barring injury of course). He will be up there with Dirk, Drazen, Vlade, Peja and the other greats.

Ps I've only been wrong on Jeremy Lamb, Marvin Williams, Russell Westbrook and Acie Law..(they tricked me with that ambidextrous thing..).

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Cap space can be extremely valuable to a team in rebuild mode, specifically for deals like he mentioned with Russell to the Nets. Especially next offseason when cap space will be hard to come by. I thought his explanation was pretty straight forward. They'd rather bide their time and see if they can score something more valuable by selling their cap space at a premium, which makes sense.

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

[Spud2nique]

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Hahaha no ur not getting steph giannis or KD...sounds like you are overvaluing ur guys as well. Good luck this season.

[jayu70]

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Just last season the Hawks received a 1st to take Jamal Crawford's deal.
The young asset, say Winslow is the type of deal I think the Hawks would prefer - a player still on a rookie contract with the P word -potential - still attached.

[Spud2nique]

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Just last season the Hawks received a 1st to take Jamal Crawford's deal.
The young asset, say Winslow is the type of deal I think the Hawks would prefer - a player still on a rookie contract with the P word -potential - still attached.

Didn't you also draft Winslow in a certain dynasty draft? Hmmm...lol...you just love ur Winslow

[NYG]

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This trade followed by:

Cole Aldrich and 2018 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick (via Knicks) for Marco Belinelli?

[MaceCase]

The only problem with that logic is that they're wanting to converse cap space in order to execute deals just like the one I'm proposing: one in which they're taking a player/contract and receiving draft/other assets in order to do so. So... why not make that kind of deal right now? Why be so worried about preserving cap space for the future to make a similar deal? I don't get it. Especially with Babbit and Ersan who have essentially no value other than their expiring contracts.

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Backslashes denote “either or”.

I’m so sorry that you’d like to dump Burks for nothing so that you can open up valuable cap space for your team all while telling us how little value cap space has. That’s always a great position to present.

[dms269]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1636997

This trade followed by:

Cole Aldrich and 2018 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick (via Knicks) for Marco Belinelli?

As I have been saying on all of those kotb trades involving the Hawks, You either get to dump a contract (Aldrich) or acquire talent (Belinelli) with value (the 2nd), not both.

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[dms269]

The logic is sound. It's the order and magnitude of the assets that the Hawks are trying to obtain. If the Jazz come out with their best offer now of say Hood/Mitchell/unprotected 1st then fine but you yourself have already demonstrated a reluctance to do so. This of course changes in 8 months where there will be high demand but limited supply of cap space thus meaning bidding by teams to utilize the Hawks capspace. Why extract minimum value now when a small amount of patience can allow for maximum value later?

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Backslashes denote “either or”.

I’m so sorry that you’d like to dump Burks for nothing so that you can open up valuable cap space for your team all while telling us how little value cap space has. That’s always a great position to present.

Not to sound crazy, but he did say that he would be willing to give up picks to dump Burke as well.

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[NYG]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1636997

This trade followed by:

Cole Aldrich and 2018 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick (via Knicks) for Marco Belinelli?

As I have been saying on all of those kotb trades involving the Hawks, You either get to dump a contract (Aldrich) or acquire talent (Belinelli) with value (the 2nd), not both.

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Cole Aldrich will only cost the Hawks $2 Million in salary in 2018-19.

[dms269]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1636997

This trade followed by:

Cole Aldrich and 2018 Chicago Bulls Second Round Draft Pick (via Knicks) for Marco Belinelli?

As I have been saying on all of those kotb trades involving the Hawks, You either get to dump a contract (Aldrich) or acquire talent (Belinelli) with value (the 2nd), not both.

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Cole Aldrich will only cost the Hawks $2 Million in salary in 2018-19.

Not entirely true. That is how much is guaranteed so he will get that regardless.

This might be a deal for the deadline, but I believe Atlanta would rather have a Korver style deal for Belinelli. The early 2nd is nice, but the first is always going to be nicer for moving purposes (moving up).

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[MaceCase]

You can't be serious...

Hood, Mitchell and an unprotected 1st? Who we trading for? Steph, KD, Giannis, etc?

I think you guys are greatly over-valuing both the players, and their expiring deals. Sure, teams will want to clear some cap space, but you'll be lucky to get a protected 1st rounder in a deal to take on a contract. And if it's a young asset attached to the bad contract you're taking on, it's going to be a young guy that hasn't exactly panned out. Think Justice Winslow, etc. type young talent.

Anyways, good luck on your tank season. Thanks for the convo's.

Backslashes denote “either or”.

I’m so sorry that you’d like to dump Burks for nothing so that you can open up valuable cap space for your team all while telling us how little value cap space has. That’s always a great position to present.

Not to sound crazy, but he did say that he would be willing to give up picks to dump Burke as well.

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He used the nebulous "draft assets" without specifying what exactly those would be. He even said "other incentives (if any)" in his original post suggesting the belief that Burks for Ersan and Babbitt straight up is value enough. Couple that with his downplaying of both Ersan and Babbitt as players and the value of the cap space their expiring deals would create while at the same time stating the Jazz's goal of creating cap space to benefit themselves doesn't lend me to believe that whatever potential "draft assets" he'd propose are really of any value to the Hawks.

[dms269]

Backslashes denote “either or”.

I’m so sorry that you’d like to dump Burks for nothing so that you can open up valuable cap space for your team all while telling us how little value cap space has. That’s always a great position to present.

Not to sound crazy, but he did say that he would be willing to give up picks to dump Burke as well.

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He used the nebulous "draft assets" without specifying what exactly those would be. He even said "other incentives (if any)" in his original post suggesting the belief that Burks for Ersan and Babbitt straight up is value enough. Couple that with his downplaying of both Ersan and Babbitt as players and the value of the cap space their expiring deals would create while at the same time stating the Jazz's goal of creating cap space to benefit themselves doesn't lend me to believe that whatever potential "draft assets" he'd propose are really of any value to the Hawks.

Truthfully, neither Babbitt or Ersan are going to bring us anything of value in return. Ersan's injury has killed his value since his pt has been greatly taken over by Collins and Prince getting extended minutes. There is probably 15-20 for both, neither is going to show off.

While he did say that, he then went after and said draft pick assets. I would have waited until he said what that was.

Granted he was also responding to King Ken so there is that...

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