Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[jayu70]

I would strongly trade our best talent who could be very good (John Collins) if we land the #1 pick.

Who are you taking with #1 if we land there? and who/what are you trading Collins for?

[Roy The Natural]

Went to PTL's trade thread, didn't see any Prince trade suggestions, saw Bazemore though:

Fitz303Head CoachUnread post#73 » Today 2:33 pm

Piggybacking off of Roy The Natural, but I like the Bazemore idea....
Turner, Harkless, top 10 protected 1st
For
Bazemore and Bellineli
Is that enough? We could re-route Bellineli to another team for a 2nd rd pick to send to Atlanta as well?

There is also Baze and Belli for Len and Turner and a 1st

I guess the first is for eating salary...but that is still a lot of cash to take on.

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That is true.. it is a lot of salary to take on. Though if Harkless can rebound to last years level, he's probably pretty easily movable on his deal, I wouldn't have moved him for less than a late 1st rounder last year, as a Portland fan. I guess it would also depend on how long you expect Atlanta to be in draft and develop mode. I'd wager that 2020 is when they'll look to free agency to supplement a couple of years of high picks. I could see saying no... but let's also not mistake that Bazemore is a bad contract, and he will take assets to unload. The only way he doesn't take assets to unload is taking back bad contracts back.

I do see the point of $27 million being a lot to take on, even if you are effectively canceling out $17 million of it with the contract swap.

[dms269]

Went to PTL's trade thread, didn't see any Prince trade suggestions, saw Bazemore though:

I guess the first is for eating salary...but that is still a lot of cash to take on.

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That is true.. it is a lot of salary to take on. Though if Harkless can rebound to last years level, he's probably pretty easily movable on his deal, I wouldn't have moved him for less than a late 1st rounder last year, as a Portland fan. I guess it would also depend on how long you expect Atlanta to be in draft and develop mode. I'd wager that 2020 is when they'll look to free agency to supplement a couple of years of high picks. I could see saying no... but let's also not mistake that Bazemore is a bad contract, and he will take assets to unload. The only way he doesn't take assets to unload is taking back bad contracts back.

I do see the point of $27 million being a lot to take on, even if you are effectively canceling out $17 million of it with the contract swap.

Bazemore is a bad deal, but he is also a better player than Turner.

The salary situation isn't just for free agency, but can also be used to absorb bad deals in exchange for talent...similar to what happened for Crawford.

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[King Ken]

I would strongly trade our best talent who could be very good (John Collins) if we land the #1 pick.

Who are you taking with #1 if we land there? and who/what are you trading Collins for?

What we get for Collins clearly matters. I clearly would want Doncic or Sexton if possible. Even Miles Bridges is an option.

Bagley. No question about it. Bagley. The best talent and potential in this class. He could be a superstar sooner than later.

[King Ken]

Went to PTL's trade thread, didn't see any Prince trade suggestions, saw Bazemore though:

I guess the first is for eating salary...but that is still a lot of cash to take on.

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That is true.. it is a lot of salary to take on. Though if Harkless can rebound to last years level, he's probably pretty easily movable on his deal, I wouldn't have moved him for less than a late 1st rounder last year, as a Portland fan. I guess it would also depend on how long you expect Atlanta to be in draft and develop mode. I'd wager that 2020 is when they'll look to free agency to supplement a couple of years of high picks. I could see saying no... but let's also not mistake that Bazemore is a bad contract, and he will take assets to unload. The only way he doesn't take assets to unload is taking back bad contracts back.

I do see the point of $27 million being a lot to take on, even if you are effectively canceling out $17 million of it with the contract swap.

I see zero reason for us to do this deal. It just doesn't make any sense for us. It doesn't get us a star. It just lands us more bad contracts, trading assets, and getting the complete short end of the stick. Cap space is more valuable for us.

[Roy The Natural]

I guess the first is for eating salary...but that is still a lot of cash to take on.

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That is true.. it is a lot of salary to take on. Though if Harkless can rebound to last years level, he's probably pretty easily movable on his deal, I wouldn't have moved him for less than a late 1st rounder last year, as a Portland fan. I guess it would also depend on how long you expect Atlanta to be in draft and develop mode. I'd wager that 2020 is when they'll look to free agency to supplement a couple of years of high picks. I could see saying no... but let's also not mistake that Bazemore is a bad contract, and he will take assets to unload. The only way he doesn't take assets to unload is taking back bad contracts back.

I do see the point of $27 million being a lot to take on, even if you are effectively canceling out $17 million of it with the contract swap.

Bazemore is a bad deal, but he is also a better player than Turner.

The salary situation isn't just for free agency, but can also be used to absorb bad deals in exchange for talent...similar to what happened for Crawford.

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That's probably true... but that's why you get a 1st rounder, likely in the early 20's in a deep draft. I get saying no though. I guess a lot depends on Harkless as well, and if Atlanta believes he can play near last years level again. At last year's level Harkless has positive value and nets at least a 2nd rounder. Harkless to a team in exchange for a bad contract is a solid young prospect or an easy 1st rounder. Even now, and struggling, he's still a close to neutral contract due to his defense on most nights.

I'm not saying you should say yes by any means, but I don't think it's "that" far off value wise. It probably doesn't hinder Atlanta's ability to absorb a large contract either. I'm not toooooo in tune with what Atlanta wants to do, but I'd imagine there's a good chance that both Muscala and Dedmon would decline their player options, as I'd wager each has a solid shot at the MLE+ for some team. If not, they're solid expiring contracts that any team selling off a large/bad contract would probably be willing to eat, and wouldn't hinder the deal, likely involving another 1st coming to Atl.

I guess the prime situation would be to eat the bad contract 1st for a pick, and then swap Bazemore for a worst contract for another pick.

Would a swap of Turner + 1st rounder straight up for Bazemore be more tenable? I'd think that's a pretty fair deal, if Atlanta isn't really looking to compete, and is trying to build through the draft. Maybe a 3rd team could get involved sending a 2nd round pick in exchange for Harkless, and a slightly smaller, or shorter term salary.

I see zero reason for us to do this deal. It just doesn't make any sense for us. It doesn't get us a star. It just lands us more bad contracts, trading assets, and getting the complete short end of the stick. Cap space is more valuable for us.

To be fair... Atlanta isn't sending out assets here. Bazemore is not an asset on his deal, he's a negative. I guess you could kind of view Bellinelli as an asset... but he's expiring, and not a large enough expiring to get much for, without eating into salary cap anyways. I'm not really caring too much about Bellinelli here though. I'd just want a smidgen of salary relief if I'm giving a 1st rounder, even in swapping Turner for Bazemore. You're looking at likely taking back a bad contract to move Bazemore no matter what, if you want to receive picks for him. If Atlanta expects Bazemore to be in a deal with a pick coming back, he's definitely going to be the best player in the deal, and they're going to take on an ugly contract and worse player moving him. I don't know where Bazemore+Belli is supposed to net you a star, that sounds quite outlandish.

I am however fine with the notion that salary cap is more valuable. Though, I would not attach a 1st rounder unload a player in Harkless that was a positive value player on the same contract last year. A player who is still young, and while he's never going to be a great player, he was a consistently good to great bench player last year. Thus, why from Portland's point of view, the addition of the Bazemore/Turner swap sort of rounds out the value. Portland could probably safely throw in a future 2nd round pick as well... but I can fully understand if Atlanta sees the salary implications overriding the picks.

[King Ken]

That is true.. it is a lot of salary to take on. Though if Harkless can rebound to last years level, he's probably pretty easily movable on his deal, I wouldn't have moved him for less than a late 1st rounder last year, as a Portland fan. I guess it would also depend on how long you expect Atlanta to be in draft and develop mode. I'd wager that 2020 is when they'll look to free agency to supplement a couple of years of high picks. I could see saying no... but let's also not mistake that Bazemore is a bad contract, and he will take assets to unload. The only way he doesn't take assets to unload is taking back bad contracts back.

I do see the point of $27 million being a lot to take on, even if you are effectively canceling out $17 million of it with the contract swap.

Bazemore is a bad deal, but he is also a better player than Turner.

The salary situation isn't just for free agency, but can also be used to absorb bad deals in exchange for talent...similar to what happened for Crawford.

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That's probably true... but that's why you get a 1st rounder, likely in the early 20's in a deep draft. I get saying no though. I guess a lot depends on Harkless as well, and if Atlanta believes he can play near last years level again. At last year's level Harkless has positive value and nets at least a 2nd rounder. Harkless to a team in exchange for a bad contract is a solid young prospect or an easy 1st rounder. Even now, and struggling, he's still a close to neutral contract due to his defense on most nights.

I'm not saying you should say yes by any means, but I don't think it's "that" far off value wise. It probably doesn't hinder Atlanta's ability to absorb a large contract either. I'm not toooooo in tune with what Atlanta wants to do, but I'd imagine there's a good chance that both Muscala and Dedmon would decline their player options, as I'd wager each has a solid shot at the MLE+ for some team. If not, they're solid expiring contracts that any team selling off a large/bad contract would probably be willing to eat, and wouldn't hinder the deal, likely involving another 1st coming to Atl.

I guess the prime situation would be to eat the bad contract 1st for a pick, and then swap Bazemore for a worst contract for another pick.

Would a swap of Turner + 1st rounder straight up for Bazemore be more tenable? I'd think that's a pretty fair deal, if Atlanta isn't really looking to compete, and is trying to build through the draft. Maybe a 3rd team could get involved sending a 2nd round pick in exchange for Harkless, and a slightly smaller, or shorter term salary.

I see zero reason for us to do this deal. It just doesn't make any sense for us. It doesn't get us a star. It just lands us more bad contracts, trading assets, and getting the complete short end of the stick. Cap space is more valuable for us.

To be fair... Atlanta isn't sending out assets here. Bazemore is not an asset on his deal, he's a negative. I guess you could kind of view Bellinelli as an asset... but he's expiring, and not a large enough expiring to get much for, without eating into salary cap anyways. I'm not really caring too much about Bellinelli here though. I'd just want a smidgen of salary relief if I'm giving a 1st rounder, even in swapping Turner for Bazemore. You're looking at likely taking back a bad contract to move Bazemore no matter what, if you want to receive picks for him. If Atlanta expects Bazemore to be in a deal with a pick coming back, he's definitely going to be the best player in the deal, and they're going to take on an ugly contract and worse player moving him. I don't know where Bazemore+Belli is supposed to net you a star, that sounds quite outlandish.

I am however fine with the notion that salary cap is more valuable. Though, I would not attach a 1st rounder unload a player in Harkless that was a positive value player on the same contract last year. A player who is still young, and while he's never going to be a great player, he was a consistently good to great bench player last year. Thus, why from Portland's point of view, the addition of the Bazemore/Turner swap sort of rounds out the value. Portland could probably safely throw in a future 2nd round pick as well... but I can fully understand if Atlanta sees the salary implications overriding the picks.

If we are making a trade, getting a star or someone with that potential is very important. Not saying they need to be Lillard or McCullum but they need to be a legit young player if you want us to take bad contract trades.

In this trade with trade Bazemore, bad contract but is productive for E. Turner, a worse fit, worse contract and less productivity. This is a wasted trade for us. Not even a wash, just a waste straight up.

But you added Harkless who doesn't fit what we do and has three years on his contract. Another wasted move as he's a negative value.

The asset, a top 10 protected 1st. This draft is really a 10 man draft for now. On top of that, Portland has the 23rd pick and are likely to finish between 20-25 in terms of pick. In a weaker draft outside of the top 10 with two other 20-30 picks, this serves no purpose for us. This isn't an asset that needs us to take on one trash deal and a worser deal in Turner.

Then Belli is traded. He's an asset even if he isn't one that would get us more than a 2nd in a trade if that. Someone we would like to bring back for a 1-2 year deal. He has value for us. Also, this kills most of our cap space this off-season and makes us an non-player in 2018 FA for signings and or trades and all we got out of it was a late 1st in a draft where we got two of them already. Stop it man, it's trash. Stop selling us **** and telling us it's Filet Mignon. Go back to the drawing board my friend.

Bazemore for Turner and a 1st wouldn't make sense for Portland. It's too high of an asset for two negatives regardless if Turner is a bigger negative.

At the end of the day, Portland has to be smart with trades but raping teams isn't the business. Especially teams who don't have Billy King and we are rebuilding. Kent wants to be here and plays hard. I would rather keep him or trade him in his last year of his deal for a bad contract upgrade if available for trade.

[Roy The Natural]

Bazemore is a bad deal, but he is also a better player than Turner.

The salary situation isn't just for free agency, but can also be used to absorb bad deals in exchange for talent...similar to what happened for Crawford.

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That's probably true... but that's why you get a 1st rounder, likely in the early 20's in a deep draft. I get saying no though. I guess a lot depends on Harkless as well, and if Atlanta believes he can play near last years level again. At last year's level Harkless has positive value and nets at least a 2nd rounder. Harkless to a team in exchange for a bad contract is a solid young prospect or an easy 1st rounder. Even now, and struggling, he's still a close to neutral contract due to his defense on most nights.

I'm not saying you should say yes by any means, but I don't think it's "that" far off value wise. It probably doesn't hinder Atlanta's ability to absorb a large contract either. I'm not toooooo in tune with what Atlanta wants to do, but I'd imagine there's a good chance that both Muscala and Dedmon would decline their player options, as I'd wager each has a solid shot at the MLE+ for some team. If not, they're solid expiring contracts that any team selling off a large/bad contract would probably be willing to eat, and wouldn't hinder the deal, likely involving another 1st coming to Atl.

I guess the prime situation would be to eat the bad contract 1st for a pick, and then swap Bazemore for a worst contract for another pick.

Would a swap of Turner + 1st rounder straight up for Bazemore be more tenable? I'd think that's a pretty fair deal, if Atlanta isn't really looking to compete, and is trying to build through the draft. Maybe a 3rd team could get involved sending a 2nd round pick in exchange for Harkless, and a slightly smaller, or shorter term salary.

I see zero reason for us to do this deal. It just doesn't make any sense for us. It doesn't get us a star. It just lands us more bad contracts, trading assets, and getting the complete short end of the stick. Cap space is more valuable for us.

To be fair... Atlanta isn't sending out assets here. Bazemore is not an asset on his deal, he's a negative. I guess you could kind of view Bellinelli as an asset... but he's expiring, and not a large enough expiring to get much for, without eating into salary cap anyways. I'm not really caring too much about Bellinelli here though. I'd just want a smidgen of salary relief if I'm giving a 1st rounder, even in swapping Turner for Bazemore. You're looking at likely taking back a bad contract to move Bazemore no matter what, if you want to receive picks for him. If Atlanta expects Bazemore to be in a deal with a pick coming back, he's definitely going to be the best player in the deal, and they're going to take on an ugly contract and worse player moving him. I don't know where Bazemore+Belli is supposed to net you a star, that sounds quite outlandish.

I am however fine with the notion that salary cap is more valuable. Though, I would not attach a 1st rounder unload a player in Harkless that was a positive value player on the same contract last year. A player who is still young, and while he's never going to be a great player, he was a consistently good to great bench player last year. Thus, why from Portland's point of view, the addition of the Bazemore/Turner swap sort of rounds out the value. Portland could probably safely throw in a future 2nd round pick as well... but I can fully understand if Atlanta sees the salary implications overriding the picks.

If we are making a trade, getting a star or someone with that potential is very important. Not saying they need to be Lillard or McCullum but they need to be a legit young player if you want us to take bad contract trades.

In this trade with trade Bazemore, bad contract but is productive for E. Turner, a worse fit, worse contract and less productivity. This is a wasted trade for us. Not even a wash, just a waste straight up.

But you added Harkless who doesn't fit what we do and has three years on his contract. Another wasted move as he's a negative value.

The asset, a top 10 protected 1st. This draft is really a 10 man draft for now. On top of that, Portland has the 23rd pick and are likely to finish between 20-25 in terms of pick. In a weaker draft outside of the top 10 with two other 20-30 picks, this serves no purpose for us. This isn't an asset that needs us to take on one trash deal and a worser deal in Turner.

Then Belli is traded. He's an asset even if he isn't one that would get us more than a 2nd in a trade if that. Someone we would like to bring back for a 1-2 year deal. He has value for us. Also, this kills most of our cap space this off-season and makes us an non-player in 2018 FA for signings and or trades and all we got out of it was a late 1st in a draft where we got two of them already. Stop it man, it's trash. Stop selling us **** and telling us it's Filet Mignon. Go back to the drawing board my friend.

Bazemore for Turner and a 1st wouldn't make sense for Portland. It's too high of an asset for two negatives regardless if Turner is a bigger negative.

At the end of the day, Portland has to be smart with trades but raping teams isn't the business. Especially teams who don't have Billy King and we are rebuilding. Kent wants to be here and plays hard. I would rather keep him or trade him in his last year of his deal for a bad contract upgrade if available for trade.

I get what you're saying... but this " but raping teams isn't the business." Is gross hyperbole. Harkless at this EXACT moment is a negative. Last year he was a positive, a fairly significant one, one that likely would have required a high 2nd rounder to late 1st rounder to acquire. He may not fit what you do, and he may be struggling, but that was the point of looking to involve a 3rd team. The interesting thing is that you notate that Atlanta needs a young player capable of turning into a star... this trade doesn't hinder that whatsoever, in fact.. it likely enhances the Hawks ability to make such a trade, through the addition of an extra pick. I'd also like to note that there is not a cold chance in hell that either of the players being moved in this trade on Atlanta's end will have anything to do whatsoever with acquiring a young player with star potential.

You can say no, that's fine. But really though, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy overstating the bending over a barrel that's going on here.

It's all good though, I just wanted to explain my point of view. I get that it's a no though. Unfortunately Atlanta just doesn't have enough interesting fits for Portland to be willing to add the 1st rounder to any trade involving Bazemore.


One more note: There hasn't been a truly 10 person draft in the last 10 years. EVERY draft has really good role players, and even stars spattered throughout it. I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee you, that good players will be found outside the top 10 this year... why!?... because they are every year.

[King Ken]

That's probably true... but that's why you get a 1st rounder, likely in the early 20's in a deep draft. I get saying no though. I guess a lot depends on Harkless as well, and if Atlanta believes he can play near last years level again. At last year's level Harkless has positive value and nets at least a 2nd rounder. Harkless to a team in exchange for a bad contract is a solid young prospect or an easy 1st rounder. Even now, and struggling, he's still a close to neutral contract due to his defense on most nights.

I'm not saying you should say yes by any means, but I don't think it's "that" far off value wise. It probably doesn't hinder Atlanta's ability to absorb a large contract either. I'm not toooooo in tune with what Atlanta wants to do, but I'd imagine there's a good chance that both Muscala and Dedmon would decline their player options, as I'd wager each has a solid shot at the MLE+ for some team. If not, they're solid expiring contracts that any team selling off a large/bad contract would probably be willing to eat, and wouldn't hinder the deal, likely involving another 1st coming to Atl.

I guess the prime situation would be to eat the bad contract 1st for a pick, and then swap Bazemore for a worst contract for another pick.

Would a swap of Turner + 1st rounder straight up for Bazemore be more tenable? I'd think that's a pretty fair deal, if Atlanta isn't really looking to compete, and is trying to build through the draft. Maybe a 3rd team could get involved sending a 2nd round pick in exchange for Harkless, and a slightly smaller, or shorter term salary.



To be fair... Atlanta isn't sending out assets here. Bazemore is not an asset on his deal, he's a negative. I guess you could kind of view Bellinelli as an asset... but he's expiring, and not a large enough expiring to get much for, without eating into salary cap anyways. I'm not really caring too much about Bellinelli here though. I'd just want a smidgen of salary relief if I'm giving a 1st rounder, even in swapping Turner for Bazemore. You're looking at likely taking back a bad contract to move Bazemore no matter what, if you want to receive picks for him. If Atlanta expects Bazemore to be in a deal with a pick coming back, he's definitely going to be the best player in the deal, and they're going to take on an ugly contract and worse player moving him. I don't know where Bazemore+Belli is supposed to net you a star, that sounds quite outlandish.

I am however fine with the notion that salary cap is more valuable. Though, I would not attach a 1st rounder unload a player in Harkless that was a positive value player on the same contract last year. A player who is still young, and while he's never going to be a great player, he was a consistently good to great bench player last year. Thus, why from Portland's point of view, the addition of the Bazemore/Turner swap sort of rounds out the value. Portland could probably safely throw in a future 2nd round pick as well... but I can fully understand if Atlanta sees the salary implications overriding the picks.

If we are making a trade, getting a star or someone with that potential is very important. Not saying they need to be Lillard or McCullum but they need to be a legit young player if you want us to take bad contract trades.

In this trade with trade Bazemore, bad contract but is productive for E. Turner, a worse fit, worse contract and less productivity. This is a wasted trade for us. Not even a wash, just a waste straight up.

But you added Harkless who doesn't fit what we do and has three years on his contract. Another wasted move as he's a negative value.

The asset, a top 10 protected 1st. This draft is really a 10 man draft for now. On top of that, Portland has the 23rd pick and are likely to finish between 20-25 in terms of pick. In a weaker draft outside of the top 10 with two other 20-30 picks, this serves no purpose for us. This isn't an asset that needs us to take on one trash deal and a worser deal in Turner.

Then Belli is traded. He's an asset even if he isn't one that would get us more than a 2nd in a trade if that. Someone we would like to bring back for a 1-2 year deal. He has value for us. Also, this kills most of our cap space this off-season and makes us an non-player in 2018 FA for signings and or trades and all we got out of it was a late 1st in a draft where we got two of them already. Stop it man, it's trash. Stop selling us **** and telling us it's Filet Mignon. Go back to the drawing board my friend.

Bazemore for Turner and a 1st wouldn't make sense for Portland. It's too high of an asset for two negatives regardless if Turner is a bigger negative.

At the end of the day, Portland has to be smart with trades but raping teams isn't the business. Especially teams who don't have Billy King and we are rebuilding. Kent wants to be here and plays hard. I would rather keep him or trade him in his last year of his deal for a bad contract upgrade if available for trade.

I get what you're saying... but this " but raping teams isn't the business." Is gross hyperbole. Harkless at this EXACT moment is a negative. Last year he was a positive, a fairly significant one, one that likely would have required a high 2nd rounder to late 1st rounder to acquire. He may not fit what you do, and he may be struggling, but that was the point of looking to involve a 3rd team. The interesting thing is that you notate that Atlanta needs a young player capable of turning into a star... this trade doesn't hinder that whatsoever, in fact.. it likely enhances the Hawks ability to make such a trade, through the addition of an extra pick. I'd also like to note that there is not a cold chance in hell that either of the players being moved in this trade on Atlanta's end will have anything to do whatsoever with acquiring a young player with star potential.

You can say no, that's fine. But really though, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy overstating the bending over a barrel that's going on here.

It's all good though, I just wanted to explain my point of view.

That's your opinion. Right now, he's a negative. That's all I can go by. He really isn't worth taking unless he was someone we saw as a player who could have us win now which we aren't trying to do anyway.

How is this not rape in terms of trades? We go from potentially 24-28 million in cap space to 12-13 million which we were going to use to sign players like Dedmon to cheap long-term deals, have enough cap to take on a bad contract and get a better 1st than a 20-30 one in a weaker draft after the top 10. We lose cap flexibility, take on a worse contract and get a pick we can't even play on the roster for what again?

How does this help us? It doesn't. It doesn't if we are contending, rebuilding, pretending, or selling. It's a negative value trade. It doesn't even make Basketball logic neither. Yes, it gets in our way of getting a young star. It REMOVES us from free agency. It makes us limited in potential moves and trades. It locks us into another Miles Plumlee type of deal. How can you state what you are stating with a straight face, it's a horrible deal.

[dms269]

I would strongly trade our best talent who could be very good (John Collins) if we land the #1 pick.

Who are you taking with #1 if we land there? and who/what are you trading Collins for?

What we get for Collins clearly matters. I clearly would want Doncic or Sexton if possible. Even Miles Bridges is an option.

Bagley. No question about it. Bagley. The best talent and potential in this class. He could be a superstar sooner than later.

2 of the 3 players you want for Collins are top 5 players in the draft (top 3 to be exact). Collins doesn't that type of value.

[King Ken]

Who are you taking with #1 if we land there? and who/what are you trading Collins for?

What we get for Collins clearly matters. I clearly would want Doncic or Sexton if possible. Even Miles Bridges is an option.

Bagley. No question about it. Bagley. The best talent and potential in this class. He could be a superstar sooner than later.

2 of the 3 players you want for Collins are top 5 players in the draft (top 3 to be exact). Collins doesn't that type of value.

I don't agree on them having top 3 value, Doncic does by many but I was just stating what I would would consider trading him for. Far more than likely, he is going to be here for the next 5 seasons.

[nybluemeadow]

I was wondering if Dedmon is available for a trade? The Knicks have the Clippers' 2nd round pick to offer.

[Jamaaliver]

I was wondering if Dedmon is available for a trade? The Knicks have the Clippers' 2nd round pick to offer.

Everyone on our roster not named John Collins is available for trade.

A 2nd rounder may not be enough as we likely maneuver for the highest bid.

My guess is we'll wait for someone to get desperate enough and offer a future/conditional 1st rounder.

NOTE: If you guys were to consider moving Hernangomez...we might be willing to sweeten the pot a bit.

[NYG]

Which Celtics draft picks would give the Hawks enough value in a deal where the Celtics used their DPE to land Corey Brewer then immediately made a second trade where they send Brewer and picks to Atlanta for Dedmon and Belinelli.

Is 2019 Grizzlies 1st + 2018 Celtics 1st enough to fill the gap between Corey Brewer and Belinelli + Dedmon? Are more picks needed?

[Jamaaliver]

Which Celtics draft picks would give the Hawks enough value in a deal where the Celtics used their DPE to land Corey Brewer then immediately made a second trade where they send Brewer and picks to Atlanta for Dedmon and Belinelli.

Is 2019 Grizzlies 1st + 2018 Celtics 1st enough to fill the gap between Corey Brewer and Belinelli + Dedmon? Are more picks needed?

As long as Brewer is an expiring contract...you'd likely have our attention.

Maybe some minor throw ins to make it worth our time.


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[CP War Hawks]

Depends on what are the provisions on the Memphis pick.

Edit: top 8 pro for 19, top 6 pro for 20, unprotected for 21. Ainge is a master at getting high picks when he isn't suppose to. It's a go for me.

[NYG]

Which Celtics draft picks would give the Hawks enough value in a deal where the Celtics used their DPE to land Corey Brewer then immediately made a second trade where they send Brewer and picks to Atlanta for Dedmon and Belinelli.

Is 2019 Grizzlies 1st + 2018 Celtics 1st enough to fill the gap between Corey Brewer and Belinelli + Dedmon? Are more picks needed?

As long as Brewer is an expiring contract...you'd likely have our attention.

Maybe some minor throw ins to make it worth our time.


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Corey Brewer (expiring) and Shane Larkin (expiring) plus 2018 Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick for Dewayne Dedmon and Marco Belinelli

[kg01]

Which Celtics draft picks would give the Hawks enough value in a deal where the Celtics used their DPE to land Corey Brewer then immediately made a second trade where they send Brewer and picks to Atlanta for Dedmon and Belinelli.

Is 2019 Grizzlies 1st + 2018 Celtics 1st enough to fill the gap between Corey Brewer and Belinelli + Dedmon? Are more picks needed?

As long as Brewer is an expiring contract...you'd likely have our attention.

Maybe some minor throw ins to make it worth our time.


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Corey Brewer (expiring) and Shane Larkin (expiring) plus 2018 Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick for Dewayne Dedmon and Marco Belinelli

I actually like it.

Clearly you've been listening to Hawks fans whining on the trade board.

[dms269]

I like how the original idea was 2 firsts...yet the edited one is now only 1 first.

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[jayu70]

I like how the original idea was 2 firsts...yet the edited one is now only 1 first.

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You caught that too huh, lol. Ye ole switcheroo.