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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#141 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:25 pm

Projecting the Team's Win-Loss Record for Next 5 Seasons

All good things must eventually come to an end.

The Atlanta Hawks haven't missed the playoffs since 2006-07. But that streak won't last forever, and our projections have it coming to a close in 2017-18, shortly after Paul Millsap leaves in free agency.

From there, rebuilding is tough.

The Hawks have made a habit out of staying on the fringes of competitiveness, sometimes exceeding expectations and winning a substantial number of games but usually emerging as little more than first- or second-round fodder for true contenders. They've struggled to sign top-tier free agents in their primes, and the persistent mediocrity has made finding draft-day studs a difficult endeavor. There's simply no way to replace Millsap, either now or in the relatively distant future.

Unless Atlanta shows a new proclivity for tanking, the next few years will most likely contain slight regression, coupled with some mid-level free-agency overpays that allow it to remain on the fringes of .500. Dennis Schroder and Dwight Howard (even as he moves deeper into his 30s) can keep the team in the playoff picture, but there's not enough upside or draft equity to do anything more.
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This is a bleak forecast.

Which is worse: Tanking? or Irrelevance?
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#142 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:41 pm

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Schlenk said the potential loss of Millsap, a four-time All-Star, won’t affect his draft plans. If the Hawks lose Millsap, they will look to free agency to bring in a replacement.

“You draft the best talent available regardless who is on your roster. … I think that’s when you get in trouble, when you draft off need not off talent."

Schlenk said he and head coach Mike Budenholzer, who previously held the position of. president of basketball operations, have had many discussions about the draft and talent evaluation.

“The similarity is the skill level,” Schlenk said of their thought process. “He likes his players to have skills, have shooting, be able to pass. I have all those same likes, as well. The one thing, as the new guy coming in, that I focus more on than they have in the past is the length and athleticism. Not that they don’t like that. They do. It’s just I put more focus on that.”
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Post#143 » by dms269 » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:44 pm

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Schlenk said the potential loss of Millsap, a four-time All-Star, won’t affect his draft plans. If the Hawks lose Millsap, they will look to free agency to bring in a replacement.

“You draft the best talent available regardless who is on your roster. … I think that’s when you get in trouble, when you draft off need not off talent."

Schlenk said he and head coach Mike Budenholzer, who previously held the position of. president of basketball operations, have had many discussions about the draft and talent evaluation.

“The similarity is the skill level,” Schlenk said of their thought process. “He likes his players to have skills, have shooting, be able to pass. I have all those same likes, as well. The one thing, as the new guy coming in, that I focus more on than they have in the past is the length and athleticism. Not that they don’t like that. They do. It’s just I put more focus on that.”

Didn't the Hawks draft on "talent" before and ended up with like 8 combo forwards?

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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#144 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:11 pm

dms269 wrote:Didn't the Hawks draft on "talent" before and ended up with like 8 combo forwards?

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If you're referring to the Billy Knight era...yes. Yes, we did.



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Post#145 » by MaceCase » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:42 pm

dms269 wrote:Didn't the Hawks draft on "talent" before and ended up with like 8 combo forwards?

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BK had the combo (yes, pun intended) of reaching for BPA in drafts where there was a clear positional need and reaching for need in drafts where there were clearly better players available. He had a less than stellar streak in Atlanta given the assets he had to work with but I'm finding it somewhat odd that he's not held a single NBA position in nearly 10 years especially now that the league has almost universally adopted his philosophy of "positionless basketball". I'd have expected at least an interview where he's crazily yelling "vindicated at last!" or a report of him socking Belkin at a Krogers but nada.
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#146 » by Geaux_Hawks » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:36 am

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:Seems like we're going to basically low-ball Millsap in hopes that he just wants to come back to Atlanta and finish his career with the team that gave him his first real shot.



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Geaux, this is a breakup. A very public breakup. We're not trying to low ball Millsap. We are telling him that this is over.

There are other fish in the sea.

It's not you; it's us.

I think we should just be friends.


I wasn't advocating for him to stay. I mean if he wants more money than what we're offering, then dueces. I have no problem at all with that as long as we don't give him the money he may want.
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#148 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:21 pm

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about right except for the FO. Demoting your FO and bringing in a new GM after disastrous FO decisions is not stable. I hope it's in dynamic trnsition
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#149 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:22 pm

ehh.... if they re-sign Sap, then it would be stable, but the declining would still apply
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Post#150 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:56 pm

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Sources: Andre Iguodala's free agency could put future with Warriors in doubt


Iguodala plans to seriously consider other teams in July, league sources told The Vertical. Prospective teams would need to show in meetings a vision to move toward contention to pry Iguodala from Golden State, league sources said. In four seasons with the Warriors, Iguodala, who made $11.1 million this past season, has served as a playmaker and primary wing defender and established himself as a high-character leader.

Iguodala changed the complexion of the 2015 Finals when he was inserted into the starting lineup midway through the series and won Finals MVP honors by averaging 16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds and four assists and serving as the primary defender on LeBron James. He is ranked fourth on The Vertical’s list of free-agent small forwards.

Many teams are expected to pursue discussions with Iguodala, including the Warriors, Utah Jazz and Atlanta Hawks, league sources said.
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I support this pursuit and think we have a legit in to get a meeting thanks to Schlenk being aboard.
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#151 » by MaceCase » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:10 pm

That's odd, the Warriors beat writer reported him returning to GS for 8-12 mil as a done deal just last week. Iggy is pretty tied into investments out in Silicon Valley, it's a big part of why he signed there in the first place. I'm not too sure he'd turn down canoodling with tech billionaires to chase a few extra mil on a NBA contract but who knows, maybe GS balks at the price to retain a dynasty.
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#152 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:35 pm

Man, watching this offseason unfold in the early going is maddening.

Kyrie, K Love, J Butler, P George are all rumored to be on the trading block...and we have no desirable assets to be in trade discussions with any of them. Uggggh!

Word is leaking out that Lowry is ready to depart TOR, meaning the entire eastern conference is likely to be re-shuffled. And we don't have the flexibility to benefit from it.

We misplayed summer 2015 and summer 2016 -- and now we're stuck with the aftermath. (limited cap space, undesirable contracts, few attractive trade pieces.)
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#153 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:28 pm

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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#154 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:05 pm

Ummm....

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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#155 » by jayu70 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:29 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Ummm....

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Phoenix has just enough money to sign Millsap to $30mil/per. Any SnT would have to involve some salary coming back to Hawks.
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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#156 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:44 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:Ummm....

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Phoenix has just enough money to sign Millsap to $30mil/per. Any SnT would have to involve some salary coming back to Hawks.



Yeah, I just don't see a fit for Millsap there.

Or for Tyson here.

And it really grinds my gears when I think all of the young players we were mentioned to be in trade talks for regarding Millsap. Then we end up with Tyson Chandler at the end of his career instead?

Oy...

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Re: 2017 Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#157 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:50 pm

Now this seems more likely and more beneficial:

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Post#158 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:06 pm

S&T have become a pipe dream since the new CBA. Maybe we'll get lucky and get something out if it.
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Post#159 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:55 pm

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Post#160 » by dms269 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:44 pm

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Is there a way to see this if I am using the app? I hate that it doesn't show the tweets.

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