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TGM wrote:
I still think Murray for Siakam swap is about right. Both teams have their two best players playing the same position. Trae and Murray, Siakam and Barnes. Its clear which one each team has chosen to keep.

However, given Murray's friendly deal, I think if Atlanta moves him, they would probably ask for Toronto to take on Hunter's contract, which is a negative in my mind. This way they have the salary flexibility to resign Pascal. Murray and Hunter combined is a lot of money locked up, so I think if there is a hold-up it will be how to move Hunter to a third team that is willing to send back some expiring deals.

I think this is where a team like Dallas makes a lot of sense to help facilitate.

Pointgod wrote:

dms269 wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
Would you guys move Jalen Johnson in a Siakim deal? I have my doubts but curious about what Hawks fans think.

Not a chance. Super talented and young. 8ish years younger than Siakam and likely signed longer.

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
Would you guys move Jalen Johnson in a Siakim deal? I have my doubts but curious about what Hawks fans think.

That's a no for me dawg

jayu70 wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
Would you guys move Jalen Johnson in a Siakim deal? I have my doubts but curious about what Hawks fans think.

I wouldn't.

Thought as much. So what would you guys move for him? Picks, AJ Griffin, Okongwu(doubtful), Bufkin?

TGM wrote:If I'm Atlanta I probably keep Johnson. His contract is way smaller and he still has upside. However, I doubt Johnson gets to Siakam upside. Siakam's passing ability is extremely underrated and given how unbalanced Atlanta's offense is he would fit great next to Capela or OO. JJ I think is a great asset and therefore would probably hold on, but the chances of Siakam not resigning with the team he gets traded too I think is low given the bird rights that come with it.

I still think Murray for Siakam swap is about right. Both teams have their two best players playing the same position. Trae and Murray, Siakam and Barnes. Its clear which one each team has chosen to keep.

However, given Murray's friendly deal, I think if Atlanta moves him, they would probably ask for Toronto to take on Hunter's contract, which is a negative in my mind. This way they have the salary flexibility to resign Pascal. Murray and Hunter combined is a lot of money locked up, so I think if there is a hold-up it will be how to move Hunter to a third team that is willing to send back some expiring deals.

I think this is where a team like Dallas makes a lot of sense to help facilitate.

CP War Hawks wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

dms269 wrote:Not a chance. Super talented and young. 8ish years younger than Siakam and likely signed longer.

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:
That's a no for me dawg

jayu70 wrote:I wouldn't.

Thought as much. So what would you guys move for him? Picks, AJ Griffin, Okongwu(doubtful), Bufkin?

I've reiterated this several times already in other spaces, but the Hawks offered Hunter, AJG, and some form of draft comp presumably the Sac pick in July. Bufkin was also wanted and the Hawks declined.

Not seeing how things will change from then and now. Johnson is the best pf prospect the Hawks have had since Josh Smith so he's pretty much off the table. With OG moved, I'd expect Hunter could be a bit more coveted in this deal now.

I'm assuming the TPE factors in someway with Siakam but I don't understand the dynamics of it fully.

CP War Hawks wrote:RJ is a poor shooter and Hunter isn't. Hunter is the better defender, and the Raps will need wings to save their non role players from wear and tear on defense. If RJ could legitimately play sf and defend they wouldn't even need to trade for an expiring OG.

Pointgod wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:RJ is a poor shooter and Hunter isn't. Hunter is the better defender, and the Raps will need wings to save their non role players from wear and tear on defense. If RJ could legitimately play sf and defend they wouldn't even need to trade for an expiring OG.

I want no part of Hunter to be honest. I feel like we could find another 3 and D wing either through the draft or a minor trade.

CP War Hawks wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

dms269 wrote:Not a chance. Super talented and young. 8ish years younger than Siakam and likely signed longer.

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Geaux_Hawks wrote:
That's a no for me dawg

jayu70 wrote:I wouldn't.

Thought as much. So what would you guys move for him? Picks, AJ Griffin, Okongwu(doubtful), Bufkin?

I've reiterated this several times already in other spaces, but the Hawks offered Hunter, AJG, and some form of draft comp presumably the Sac pick in July. Bufkin was also wanted and the Hawks declined.

Not seeing how things will change from then and now. Johnson is the best pf prospect the Hawks have had since Josh Smith so he's pretty much off the table. With OG moved, I'd expect Hunter could be a bit more coveted in this deal now.

I'm assuming the TPE factors in someway with Siakam but I don't understand the dynamics of it fully.

Pointgod wrote:Thought as much. So what would you guys move for him? Picks, AJ Griffin, Okongwu(doubtful), Bufkin?

Jamaaliver wrote:

Pointgod wrote:Thought as much. So what would you guys move for him? Picks, AJ Griffin, Okongwu(doubtful), Bufkin?

In light of these most recent reports...DeAndre Hunter and a future, protected 1st round pick

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CP War Hawks wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:RJ is a poor shooter and Hunter isn't. Hunter is the better defender, and the Raps will need wings to save their non role players from wear and tear on defense. If RJ could legitimately play sf and defend they wouldn't even need to trade for an expiring OG.

I want no part of Hunter to be honest. I feel like we could find another 3 and D wing either through the draft or a minor trade.

Hunter is better than perceived, but I get it. If it was easy getting a quality wing, the Hawks would already have and replaced him with a better one in the last 20 years. Raps are a different case study and they seem to find those guys much easier.

Pointgod wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
I want no part of Hunter to be honest. I feel like we could find another 3 and D wing either through the draft or a minor trade.

Hunter is better than perceived, but I get it. If it was easy getting a quality wing, the Hawks would already have and replaced him with a better one in the last 20 years. Raps are a different case study and they seem to find those guys much easier.

What do you guys believe this team needs? On paper it kind of seems like the team has all of the ingredients to be a top 6 team. Doesnt look like Trae and Murray have meshed, the team doesn’t play defence and doesn’t seem like the role players are stepping up. Does this team need time or a big personnel change?

jayu70 wrote:

Pointgod wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:
Hunter is better than perceived, but I get it. If it was easy getting a quality wing, the Hawks would already have and replaced him with a better one in the last 20 years. Raps are a different case study and they seem to find those guys much easier.

What do you guys believe this team needs? On paper it kind of seems like the team has all of the ingredients to be a top 6 team. Doesnt look like Trae and Murray have meshed, the team doesn’t play defence and doesn’t seem like the role players are stepping up. Does this team need time or a big personnel change?

1. I think it's mostly defense and securing rebounds, particularly in the 4th (that's where we missed JJ with Quin playing too small).
2. Trae has gotten better on defense this season, can't say the same for the rest of the 'supposed defenders' - no one has stepped up on defense to be the guy on defense that Trae is to the offense.
3. The bench isn't good. Owner cut cost and didn't invest in 'functional NBA players' so we can't overcome one starter injury. Having to start Garrison Mathews says a lot.
4. With JJ back, it should solve size, defense, and playmaking from the front court. We lack it with Hunter and Capela.
5. Hawks went into the offseason expecting leaps from Onyeka, Johnson and Griffin - JJ has taken the step, Onyeka has been just solid, Griffin is dealing with personal issues.
6. Bey runs hot and cold, from 3 and right now he's colder than ice. And he's probably the worse defender on the team at the moment.

I can go on - but you get the idea, it's not just one thing. Part of that could just be growing pains in Quin's system. Mike Conley did say you needed a PhD to run Quin's system, took him a year to get it.

Pointgod wrote:

jayu70 wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
What do you guys believe this team needs? On paper it kind of seems like the team has all of the ingredients to be a top 6 team. Doesnt look like Trae and Murray have meshed, the team doesn’t play defence and doesn’t seem like the role players are stepping up. Does this team need time or a big personnel change?

1. I think it's mostly defense and securing rebounds, particularly in the 4th (that's where we missed JJ with Quin playing too small).
2. Trae has gotten better on defense this season, can't say the same for the rest of the 'supposed defenders' - no one has stepped up on defense to be the guy on defense that Trae is to the offense.
3. The bench isn't good. Owner cut cost and didn't invest in 'functional NBA players' so we can't overcome one starter injury. Having to start Garrison Mathews says a lot.
4. With JJ back, it should solve size, defense, and playmaking from the front court. We lack it with Hunter and Capela.
5. Hawks went into the offseason expecting leaps from Onyeka, Johnson and Griffin - JJ has taken the step, Onyeka has been just solid, Griffin is dealing with personal issues.
6. Bey runs hot and cold, from 3 and right now he's colder than ice. And he's probably the worse defender on the team at the moment.

I can go on - but you get the idea, it's not just one thing. Part of that could just be growing pains in Quin's system. Mike Conley did say you needed a PhD to run Quin's system, took him a year to get it.

Why the hell are the Matthews getting minutes over AJ and Bufkin? Also what do you feel about the chemistry between Trae and Murray? I kind of feel like the there has to be something there or do you think it’s more on the coach and developing chemistry?

Pointgod wrote:

jayu70 wrote:

Pointgod wrote:
What do you guys believe this team needs? On paper it kind of seems like the team has all of the ingredients to be a top 6 team. Doesnt look like Trae and Murray have meshed, the team doesn’t play defence and doesn’t seem like the role players are stepping up. Does this team need time or a big personnel change?

1. I think it's mostly defense and securing rebounds, particularly in the 4th (that's where we missed JJ with Quin playing too small).
2. Trae has gotten better on defense this season, can't say the same for the rest of the 'supposed defenders' - no one has stepped up on defense to be the guy on defense that Trae is to the offense.
3. The bench isn't good. Owner cut cost and didn't invest in 'functional NBA players' so we can't overcome one starter injury. Having to start Garrison Mathews says a lot.
4. With JJ back, it should solve size, defense, and playmaking from the front court. We lack it with Hunter and Capela.
5. Hawks went into the offseason expecting leaps from Onyeka, Johnson and Griffin - JJ has taken the step, Onyeka has been just solid, Griffin is dealing with personal issues.
6. Bey runs hot and cold, from 3 and right now he's colder than ice. And he's probably the worse defender on the team at the moment.

I can go on - but you get the idea, it's not just one thing. Part of that could just be growing pains in Quin's system. Mike Conley did say you needed a PhD to run Quin's system, took him a year to get it.

Why the hell are the Matthews getting minutes over AJ and Bufkin? Also what do you feel about the chemistry between Trae and Murray? I kind of feel like the there has to be something there or do you think it’s more on the coach and developing chemistry?

The Raptors are a tough team to deal with. Ujiri and this front office have always maintained high standards when it comes to the trade deadline, which is why there are some rival teams who feel as if the Raptors look to take advantage of them.

“First of all, that team is always setting the price extremely high on their players, sometimes to the point that makes you laugh,” one Eastern Conference executive shared with ClutchPoints. “Obviously, you always want to try and get the most for your players, that's the nature of the game. At some point, you have to be willing to budge and actually negotiate instead of saying, ‘This is our price, take it or leave it.' Over the years, everything has seemed pretty one-sided when talking trades with them.”

As of right now, the general belief around the league is that the Raptors are looking for two players who can fit in with their rotation right away, along with two future first-round picks.If Siakam goes to the Hawks, Murray would not be going anywhere. This is where things can become confusing, especially since the Knicks do not necessarily have the assets to blow the Hawks away in an offer for Murray at this time.....

The Hawks are in a position where they can be both buyers and sellers at the trade deadline this season. Pursuing Siakam remains the focus in Atlanta, leading many to suggest that Murray will not be going anywhere in the coming weeks.....

The fact of the matter is the Hawks have had no plans of losing Murray and envision him being a factor in the team's growth alongside Young.