Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread

[HMFFL]

Jrue Holiday off the bench might be your plan but I doubt Jrue will be onboard.

[Jamaaliver]

We need veterans, perimeter defense, back court depth, three point shooting.
The best team in the East is giving away a proven winner who fills every one of those needs -- for nothing.

It's kind of a no lose option.

10 contracted players plus 2 rookies at $163.3 million.
$24.5 million left under the Luxury for 3 players - who are you rounding out the roster with and for how much?

1. Trae
2. Dyson
3. Zacc
4. Jalen
5. OO
6. Jrue

Kobe, Vit, Mohammed, Barlow, R1, R2.

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.
I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

[jayu70]

We need veterans, perimeter defense, back court depth, three point shooting.
The best team in the East is giving away a proven winner who fills every one of those needs -- for nothing.

It's kind of a no lose option.

10 contracted players plus 2 rookies at $163.3 million.
$24.5 million left under the Luxury for 3 players - who are you rounding out the roster with and for how much?

1. Trae
2. Dyson
3. Zacc
4. Jalen
5. OO
6. Jrue

Kobe, Vit, Mohammed, Barlow, R1, R2.

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.
I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

So you now have an additional $12 million, giving you $36 million to spend on 8-9 players. Who do you want?

[Jamaaliver]

10 contracted players plus 2 rookies at $163.3 million.
$24.5 million left under the Luxury for 3 players - who are you rounding out the roster with and for how much?

Kobe, Vit, Mohammed, Barlow, R1, R2.

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.
I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

So you now have an additional $12 million, giving you $36 million to spend on 8-9 players. Who do you want?

LOL

I'm not sure that math checks out...taking into account the cap holds for Rookies and trade exceptions.

But here's a list of FA's this summer plus their 2025 salaries.

Spoiler:

[Geaux_Hawks]

We need veterans, perimeter defense, back court depth, three point shooting.
The best team in the East is giving away a proven winner who fills every one of those needs -- for nothing.

It's kind of a no lose option.

10 contracted players plus 2 rookies at $163.3 million.
$24.5 million left under the Luxury for 3 players - who are you rounding out the roster with and for how much?

1. Trae
2. Dyson
3. Zacc
4. Jalen
5. OO
6. Jrue

Kobe, Vit, Mohammed, Barlow, R1, R2.

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.
I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

You wouldn't consider Gueye?! Even if you don't, blowing our load on Holiday isn't the answer either. Holiday's contract is too much if he isn't going to be playing heavy minutes and providing significant production. Holiday is really a luxury player to have at his current dollar amount, and Holiday ain't no spring chicken. Just seems like a lot for a team that still lacks interior size and length, and only acquiring a backup PG.

[Jamaaliver]

10 contracted players plus 2 rookies at $163.3 million.


Kobe, Vit, Mohammed, Barlow, R1, R2.

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.

I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

You wouldn't consider Gueye?!

I would not.

Mo Gueye has a future in this league, but he's probably capped out as useful bench piece.
Hard Truth: there's a half dozen guys in this draft class who, if selected, probably jump past Gueye in the team rotation/player rankings.

[Jamaaliver]

Jrue Holiday off the bench might be your plan but I doubt Jrue will be onboard.

That...is fair.





But, somebody's getting Jrue on a steep discount next season....
(The last 2 times JH was traded, his new team immediately won a championship.)

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[jayu70]

None of these players are guaranteed a spot on a team desperate to compete next year.
I wouldn't even take them into consideration when constructing next year's roster.

So you now have an additional $12 million, giving you $36 million to spend on 8-9 players. Who do you want?

LOL

I'm not sure that math checks out...taking into account the cap holds for Rookies and trade exceptions.

But here's a list of FA's this summer plus their 2025 salaries.

Spoiler:

You excluded the rookies (R1 and R2) as part of not being a part on the roster.
Hawks are currently at $155 mil with 11 contracted players and 2 rookies. So if you only include your 6, the $36 mil is what we have under the LT.
Yes, the exceptions are there, but do you think Ressler is paying the tax, by using the $36 mil under the tax PLUS the two exceptions?

[Jamaaliver]

You excluded the rookies (R1 and R2) as part of not being a part on the roster.
Hawks are currently at $155 mil with 11 contracted players and 2 rookies. So if you only include your 6, the $36 mil is what we have under the LT.
Yes, the exceptions are there, but do you think Ressler is paying the tax, by using the $36 mil under the tax PLUS the two exceptions?

You kind of lost me here.

Ultimately, I suspect Ressler and Trae are tired of being mediocre.

The most effective way to compete next season: stack the roster with vets.

Adding two more teenage rookies to a roster with a 27 year old All Star seems -- counterproductive.

[jayu70]

You excluded the rookies (R1 and R2) as part of not being a part on the roster.
Hawks are currently at $155 mil with 11 contracted players and 2 rookies. So if you only include your 6, the $36 mil is what we have under the LT.
Yes, the exceptions are there, but do you think Ressler is paying the tax, by using the $36 mil under the tax PLUS the two exceptions?

You kind of lost me here.

Ultimately, I suspect Ressler and Trae are tired of being mediocre.

The most effective way to compete next season: stack the roster with vets.

Adding two more teenage rookies to a roster with a 27 year old All Star seems -- counterproductive.

And I'm asking you who? And if you think Ressler will exceed the tax to do so if you aren't penciling in Kpbe, Vit, Mo and the rookies. Who are you trading them for?
What's the rest of your plan after a Jrue trade.

(And I've already said, adding two rookies and resigning 2 of our 4 free agents can't be what we do for the season).

[Jamaaliver]

And I'm asking you who? And if you think Ressler will exceed the tax to do so if you aren't penciling in Kpbe, Vit, Mo and the rookies. Who are you trading them for?
What's the rest of your plan after a Jrue trade.

(And I've already said, adding two rookies and resigning 2 of our 4 free agents can't be what we do for the season).

Spoiler:

...if you're aggressive enough to pursue Jrue Holiday, it means you're going super aggressive and dangling some combination of Jalen-Okongwu-Zacch-multiple picks for an All Star front court player.

Wait...Are we playing that game where no matter what suggestions I make, they'll get poo pooed as unrealistic, impossible or dumb?

Because...

[jayu70]

And I'm asking you who? And if you think Ressler will exceed the tax to do so if you aren't penciling in Kpbe, Vit, Mo and the rookies. Who are you trading them for?
What's the rest of your plan after a Jrue trade.

(And I've already said, adding two rookies and resigning 2 of our 4 free agents can't be what we do for the season).

Spoiler:

...if you're aggressive enough to pursue Jrue Holiday, it means you're going super aggressive and dangling some combination of Jalen-Okongwu-Zacch-multiple picks for an All Star front court player.

Wait...Are we playing that game where no matter what suggestions I make, they'll get poo pooed as unrealistic, impossible or dumb?

Because...

You've already passed on Giannis, did you not? Saying we'd become the Suns. So who else is the Allstar front court player?

[Rebound Mound]

That...is how buying low works. And why it would be a salary dump.

Jrue Holiday is a career 37% shooter from 3-pt range.
Since leaving New Orleans 5 seasons ago...he's shooting 39.3% from 3-pt range.
That includes this past season when he shot 35% from downtown.

Jrue had a down season as a shooter -- and still shot better than most players on our roster. (Including Trae)
Don't let the last 5 months undermine the last 5 years of consistent shooting efficiency.


As far as him retiring...who cares.
It's a salary dump. If he wants to leave via trade...we move him again in another salary dump when his contract is even shorter.


We need veterans, perimeter defense, back court depth, three point shooting.
The best team in the East is giving away a proven winner who fills every one of those needs -- for nothing.
It's kind of a no lose option.

It would all depend on his commitment and success to end up in three years with a good or bad sensation.
If we were lookig at adding Westbrook in a similar role, Jrue is a similar player with less athletic abilities, but more intelligence. Best shooting, by far (it depends a lot on the open looks he gets in Boston) and true defender. He can also play SG. He would be leader.
But i look at the result Memphis obtained from Smart, a similar player (worse shooter) and I am discouraged.

I understand sport decisions are not mathematics. They can go good or bad. But it is a lot of money to commit to a bench player when we need to fill the C position and PF position as well at least with one big guy who can play C.

Probably adding both Jrue and Kessler would do wonders for us and would be a huge leap forward and we would be using our draft assets and may be we would be getting a pick from Boston...


Trae
Daniels
Risacher
Johnson
OO
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Holiday
Krejci
Mann
XXX
Kessler
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Gueye

[Jamaaliver]

Jrue Holiday is a career 37% shooter from 3-pt range.
Since leaving New Orleans 5 seasons ago...he's shooting 39.3% from 3-pt range.
That includes this past season when he shot 35% from downtown.

It would all depend on his commitment and success to end up in three years with a good or bad sensation.
If we were looking at adding Westbrook in a similar role, Jrue is a similar player with less athletic abilities, but more intelligence. Best shooting, by far (it depends a lot on the open looks he gets in Boston) and true defender. He can also play SG. He would be leader.
But i look at the result Memphis obtained from Smart, a similar player (worse shooter) and I am discouraged.

Noted. And I'm not married to the idea of Jrue. I simply view him as a good player who wins titles.

And I have to mention that, by all accounts, Jrue Holiday is a much better teammate, professional, point guard than Marcus Smart or Russ Westbrook.

[Rebound Mound]

I am not completely against the arrival of Holiday, as I am not too much into the economic side of the sport. I do not know what are the consequences of getting aboard such an expensive contract (for a 35 YO who is not going to be a starter).

Of course he is a better person, which does not mean it is more interesting. I agree on Westbrick being a burden in some environments, especially when young players are involved. But he has changed a lot, it seems. Maduration, they call it. There are no complaints in Denver, as far as I know.

Smart can also be a worse person, or meaner, or a worse companion... sometimes that is needed to get the most of the rest. Larry Bird was not the nicest guy around. But I cannot imagine those Celtic being so successful without him being as he is/was. McHale, Parish, Ainge... Wedman, Sichting... In today's NBA, the Rockets are delighted they have Brooks with them and seems like the Grizzlies are missing him.

[HMFFL]

Jrue is pass for me.

25/26 $32,400,000 (35 years old)
26/27 $34,800,000
27/28 $37,200,000 (player option. 38 years old)

[graymule]

QUESTION: Would you trade our two draft picks and some of our current Hawk players to move up and draft a more needed player?
If so, who would you add to our two picks to entice someone? Doing this, who are we drafting?

Hawks have too many very good NBA players and not enough great players. Can we deal two or three for one? Find a team with that one great player that needs help all over the place.

Just trying to imagine a much better starting five and a few great subs! Any ideas?

[Jamaaliver]

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[Jamaaliver]

Portland fan here... Wanted to throw out a trade idea.

#11 <=> #13 + #22

I figure Portland would need to add some more value here. What would help bridge the gap?

Is 2 future 2nd rounders sufficient ('26 Memphis [43-60] & '27 Min)

This is something to consider. It would need to be a draft night trade for a very specific player that we love. Khaman Maluach for instance.

Even then, I'd expect that Hawks would trade #22 to Brooklyn for #26 and #27.




Counter offer: Then Hawks trade #13 and #26 to Portland for #11 plus a future 2nd rounder.

[Rebound Mound]

We need to excel at something to round up a good team with aspirations.
It being defense, rebound, tempo, stealing, shooting... or some of them together.
Lately it has been like having a deep roster with 10 guys contributing and even 12 playing minutes during the RS to maintain the rythm and load of the season is a significant fact.
So we have a roster made for running, but we still need to improve in stealing, defense, defensive lines because it seems we are not going to be a big team. Playing JJ and OO has a lot of advantages, although some disadvantages.
We need to find one or two bigs who can change the way we play defense sometimes. We need to find a PF who can allow JJ to play SF sometimes, as Anunouby is doing sometimes. Then we need a real big.
I do not know if keeping Niang and then finden a real C and a powerful PF is enough.
It would be great IMO to keep Niang, bring in Kessler and draft a prospect over 7 feet.
I understand we cannot keep everybody, but Gueye and Nance are of my liking . They either have a lot of upside or performed well and gave us a lot of shhoting from 3.