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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1421 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon May 9, 2022 2:54 pm

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think it'll cost Denver to get Bogdanovic? He's a guy that would fit really well alongside Jamal Murray in the back court and obviously has ties to Jokic. Would Will Barton and a 1st be enough?


I was about to ask you, what would it take to get Joker?

Not trying to troll, but everybody on the nuggets besides Joker has negative value.

Murry and Porter are good players but both have negative value due to injury. Gordan is very average so not much trade value there.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1422 » by CP War Hawks » Mon May 9, 2022 9:15 pm

youngthegiant wrote:What do you guys think it'll cost Denver to get Bogdanovic? He's a guy that would fit really well alongside Jamal Murray in the back court and obviously has ties to Jokic. Would Will Barton and a 1st be enough?


Bogi is basically the Hawks 2nd option as it stands. I'd hope for MM plus salary filler.
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Post#1423 » by jayu70 » Wed May 11, 2022 5:27 pm

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Post#1424 » by D21 » Thu May 12, 2022 6:03 pm

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This makes no sense as Mitchell would bring more defensive problem.
Once again, in this first round of the playoffs, UTA was good with Gobert on the floor, and not without him. Net rating confirms it, with Mitchell being only neutral (positive if playing with Gobert, negative with any other players.
He's clearly not the leader some people see in him, at least until now, but I doubt it will change.

If they want to trade for a wing, trade for a one with defensive skills even if it cost more, because it's Mitchell that will stop all the other SG that shine every time they play ATL
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1425 » by Years90Suns » Fri May 13, 2022 1:33 pm

Getting after Hayward, who is 32-33 and has a history of injuries should be a joke.
Also he plays one of the positions we have a good player at, who is Hunter.
We have other options to improve the team and Young does not play in a system that fits Hayward.
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Post#1426 » by saloonyk8 » Mon May 16, 2022 4:01 am

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He's far superior option to Lavine and Beal. He does solve a huge problem but obviously we would really really need to get creative with defensive players and not sure what assets would be left after that trade
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Post#1427 » by saloonyk8 » Mon May 16, 2022 4:03 am

I would take Brogdon over Hayward every day of the week. Age and defense are the two biggest reasons. Health is issue for both
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Post#1428 » by saloonyk8 » Mon May 16, 2022 4:04 am

I'll be surprised if Suns give Ayton big deal... The really question is if we can convince Ayton to force a sign and trade to Atlanta while leveraging offer sheets for Spurs and Blazers this off season
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1429 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 16, 2022 2:52 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:I'll be surprised if Suns give Ayton big deal... The really question is if we can convince Ayton to force a sign and trade to Atlanta while leveraging offer sheets for Spurs and Blazers this off season



Capela and Hunter for D Ayton seems like a strong move for both Atlanta and Phoenix.

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Post#1430 » by saloonyk8 » Mon May 16, 2022 3:56 pm

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saloonyk8 wrote:I'll be surprised if Suns give Ayton big deal... The really question is if we can convince Ayton to force a sign and trade to Atlanta while leveraging offer sheets for Spurs and Blazers this off season



Capela and Hunter for D Ayton seems like a strong move for both Atlanta and Phoenix.

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I would trade Collins if needed because Ayton just checks too many boxes plus we have OO and JJ... But Ayton is restricted so he has to want to come to Atlanta and basically force it
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Post#1431 » by Ball4life32 » Mon May 16, 2022 5:04 pm

I would do Capela+ for Ayton but would not add Hunter or Collins. Not worth two starters in S&T.
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Post#1432 » by CP War Hawks » Mon May 16, 2022 8:09 pm

Ayton has similarly close numbers to Collins and also would come overpaid. With that said, I'd give up Capela, 2022 1st, and Cooper. I like his pick and pop potential that Horford had here.

I'm not giving up Hunter in this deal. It'll also makes for a weird logjam with OO waiting to make his move.
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Post#1433 » by saloonyk8 » Mon May 16, 2022 8:11 pm

Ball4life32 wrote:I would do Capela+ for Ayton but would not add Hunter or Collins. Not worth two starters in S&T.


I don't think they will be enough. They can just match any offer and keep him or get a better deal in ST from another team.

He's 23, can shoot 3, looks like he is athletic enough to guard on perimeter.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1434 » by jayu70 » Mon May 16, 2022 10:34 pm

Ball4life32 wrote:I would do Capela+ for Ayton but would not add Hunter or Collins. Not worth two starters in S&T.

Agreed. Making an already bad defense worse.
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Post#1435 » by muzzhawk » Tue May 17, 2022 12:25 am

Would do Capela + either Huerter or Bogi (+ maybe the Charlotte pick if needed).
Ayton and OO seem playable together in spurts which opens up minutes for OO and gives some flexibility at the backup 4 where not being able to play OO with CC really exposed us when Collins/Gallo were injured or if we had foul trouble. OO developing a passable J will only add to that.
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Post#1436 » by D21 » Tue May 17, 2022 1:16 am

muzzhawk wrote:Would do Capela + either Huerter or Bogi (+ maybe the Charlotte pick if needed).
Ayton and OO seem playable together in spurts which opens up minutes for OO and gives some flexibility at the backup 4 where not being able to play OO with CC really exposed us when Collins/Gallo were injured or if we had foul trouble. OO developing a passable J will only add to that.


There are some things that I don't understand at all on some posts above, including yours, and the main thing is:
how can we want to trade Capela+Bogi+pick for Ayton?

Don't you remember that one of the best game of the season, with two teams fighting with energy to get the win, was ATL Vs PHX?
And that ATL won the game?

And now, we would trade 2 of our best players and a pick for one of this team?
Even if younger, I don't see how Ayton would make this team better if it cost Capela+Bogi+pick

Not to say that I won't move Bogi, especially as a filler, so anybody that isn't a top player.
If this team want to contend, they need someone like Bogi, who isn't afraid and did a lot of good 4th quarter. He's basically our Ginobili, being way better than a lot of other guys with the same kind of contract

Just think also that if Trae didn't walk on a ref foot last year, ATL may have reach the NBA Finals and might have beaten PHX
Capela+Huerter or Capela+pick is more than enough, and if it's just about making an better offer than other teams, then don't do any offer, we don't have to be in the middle of a bidding war for a RFA, we know that it always requires overpaying to getting them.

The Bogi singing was good, because SAC doesn't wanted to pay a lot, and we got him at a fair contract, but going after Ayton with 2 stater caliber players and a pick looks just insane IMO
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1437 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 17, 2022 2:11 am

D21 wrote:Just think also that if Trae didn't walk on a ref foot last year, ATL may have reach the NBA Finals and might have beaten PHX.


You gotta stop focusing on the 2021 postseason. Last year was last year.

And This year, we just weren't very good.
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Post#1438 » by saloonyk8 » Tue May 17, 2022 4:04 am

There's absolutely not way this current team can make the conference finals... We would've gotten bounced by Celtics, Bucks, and Heat (duh).... We had a chance Sixers (maybe) and Nets.

Not secondary playmaker, very below average defense, this is not a playoff formula and it's not just coaching

Need to make serious changes. Who cares how many starters you trade lol. Need to get the best player in a trade...Ayton COULD be a top 20 player (or better) and has potential to ball on both sides of the court... You know who WILL NOT be a top 20 player...Capella, KVon, Collins, Hunter
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1439 » by D21 » Tue May 17, 2022 12:25 pm

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D21 wrote:Just think also that if Trae didn't walk on a ref foot last year, ATL may have reach the NBA Finals and might have beaten PHX.


You gotta stop focusing on the 2021 postseason. Last year was last year.

And This year, we just weren't very good.

I agree with you that we weren't good this season, but please... You quote the only line where I mention 2021, out of a dozen of lines, and you then said I'm focusing on 2021 postseason?
It's not fair at all :wink:

I started the post with this game, from 2022: https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360602
I clearly remember this game, and can replay it if needed, and there's no way I would trade Capela+Bogi for Ayton

More important than doing a trade like that, having a coach like Poelstra instead of McMillan on the bench, and I'm sure they would have been far better. Nate let them play without energy, let them do some stupid plays like shooting from 3pts while two players are just under the basket (like if it often happened that a missed 3pts shot leads to a rebound just under the basket...)

It's not exactly the same but what did BOS this season after finishing 7th, then loosing 1-4 in the first round last year?
They kept their main guys, and adjusted the roster. There are other examples like that.

I would not trade for AD too because it's a bit like getting Porzingis. You get a high potential but always injured player, and DAL by trading 1 player away for 2 players got better than they were.
Why would we do the opposite?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3 

Post#1440 » by saloonyk8 » Tue May 17, 2022 3:17 pm

I'm starting to buy in mentally on getting Brogdon next to Trae. He's probably best available option this off-season.

I think odds of getting Beal, Donovan or Lavigne are very, very low and would cost quite a bit in terms of assets.

If Brogdon had no injury issues he would not be on the market.

I think he is better than Jalen Brunson and Dinwiddie and we're seeing what that's doing in Dallas. He's also better than Derrick White (and look what it cost to get him).
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