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Absurdly early 2018 NBA Draft Thread

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Are you happy with the draft?

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Post#1481 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:16 pm

thr3ep01nte4 wrote:How’s Carter’s defense? Don’t want to watch Jokic on Harden again.



He lacks the footspeed to guard perimeter players.

But he a solid help defender other wise. Above average shot blocker. (Though far from elite.)
Good in one on one post defense.

Solid against the pick and roll. But can be overwhelmed by high flyers who can finish strongly at the rim.
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Post#1482 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:34 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:How’s Carter’s defense? Don’t want to watch Jokic on Harden again.



He lacks the footspeed to guard perimeter players.

But he a solid help defender other wise. Above average shot blocker. (Though far from elite.)
Good in one on one post defense.

Solid against the pick and roll. But can be overwhelmed by high flyers who can finish strongly at the rim.

So he’s a liability. That doesn’t sound like a recipe for success when your only big man on the floor can be constantly exposed on defense in the playoffs.
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Post#1483 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:03 pm

thr3ep01nte4 wrote:So he’s a liability. That doesn’t sound like a recipe for success when your only big man on the floor can be constantly exposed on defense in the playoffs.


Is Wendall Carter a defensive liability? I'm not willing to go that far.

He's not Kevin Love bad. Or even Dwight Howard bad.

But he isn't quite Clint Capela or Al Horford, either.

All of these kids have some flaw. WC's is that he can't jump out of the gym and struggles to defend quick guards on the perimeter.

Same flaw that John Collins had. (has?)

Overall, Wendell's a better defender than Bagley or Ayton. And a more consistent offensive threat than Bamba or JJJ.

Add'l NOTE: Defensively, I think Dedmon is a decent comp for Wendell: Good rebounder, capable shot blocker. Adequate defending on the perimeter.


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Wendell Carter has a substantial case as Duke’s best player this season. Scouts view his game as extremely well-rounded, and he appears likely to crack the lottery given the way he’s produced. Carter leads the team’s regulars in field goal percentage, true shooting percentage, defensive rebound percentage and blocks per game, coming on strong in conference play and showing the diversity of his skill set. There really aren’t many holes in his game, and he’s been a central figure in Duke’s success.

Carter is often critiqued for a perceived lack of elite athleticism, but it pertains more to his quickness off the floor, as Carter moves his feet pretty well and has stepped up defensively in recent weeks as Duke’s chief rim protector. Carter has improved his body and stands a legitimate 6’10” with a 7’3” reported wingspan, adequate for a center.
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Post#1484 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:22 pm

For Villanova's Mikal Bridges, there's more to success than talent

The skills that Mikal Bridges has developed over the last seven years – his defensive prowess, moving without the basketball, his ability to knock down a three-point shot or drive to the hoop for an emphatic dunk – are about to make him a certain lottery pick in the next NBA draft.

[H]is coaches during that time will tell you there’s more to Bridges than talent alone. It’s being a good teammate in his dedication to working within the framework of the team. It’s his attention to detail and preparation. It’s taking coaching without complaint and always striving to improve.

In the view of Jay Wright, “he’s humble and coachable.”

Recent NBA mock drafts have shown him to be going anywhere from No. 8 to 11 in the first round. Bridges has one more year of eligibility but Wright has joked more than once, “If he’s going to be picked that high, I’m booting him out of here.”

“It’s his versatility,” he said. “He can guard anybody, any position. He can shoot threes. He can handle the ball. We’ve watched gradual progress in him every year. I think what the scouts see is if he keeps improving at that rate, we could have something special.”
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Post#1485 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:26 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Overall, Wendell's a better defender than Bagley or Ayton. And a more consistent offensive threat than Bamba or JJJ.


Liability may be an exaggeration. I agree that he's overall better defensively than Bagley. As far as Ayton, I think Ayton is a good defender in 1-on-1 situations switching onto guards. Ayton's main weaknesses on defense, IMO, are: 1) Not good at defending post-ups 1-on-1, and 2) Slow to react to new offensive schemes as a quarterback on defense or help defense. Maybe Carter right now is better than him in these areas, but I don't think Ayton is far behind Carter.
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Post#1486 » by hawkmanreturns » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:35 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Brad Daugherty is the closest comparison I can’t think of off the top of my head....


Doesn't seem too far off.



The only thing about this is that the Cavs were an awesome regular season team for about 5 or 6 years but they couldn’t get past the 2nd round if I’m not mistaken...was any of that on Brad? Was it mainly Lenny’s system? Was it Price?

I don’t mind Daugherty’s game at all...again specially in today’s weak style of play. Weak as in physically weak.

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Post#1487 » by jayu70 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:19 pm

When I see these words 'dude will be a solid, steady producer for years in this league.' - all I'm thinking is - DO NOT WANT. Not with a top pick.
This screams the best he'll be is an Allstar selected by the coaches for a few years. Been there, done that!!!
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Can we get a guy who we can make a decent attempt at VOTING into the ALLSTAR game?
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Post#1488 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:19 pm

hawkmanreturns wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Doesn't seem too far off.



The only thing about this is that the Cavs were an awesome regular season team for about 5 or 6 years but they couldn’t get past the 2nd round if I’m not mistaken...was any of that on Brad? Was it mainly Lenny’s system? Was it Price?

I don’t mind Daugherty’s game at all...again specially in today’s weak style of play. Weak as in physically weak.

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Post#1489 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:35 pm

All my constant whining and comparing Luka to Drazen finally paid off...if you guys don’t believe in my comparisons then some dork at BSPN might!!!

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22590062/zach-lowe-drazen-petrovic-lasting-basketball-legacy-nba
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Post#1490 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:38 pm

If Larry Drew screwed us with Giannis...will Neven help us with Luka? Lol.


As a kid, Petrovic insisted on playing against older boys, says Neven Spahija, who grew up on the same street as Petrovic in Sibenik, Croatia, and has coached all over the world -- including with the Hawks under Mike Budenholzer, and now as the head coach of Maccabi Tel Aviv.
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Post#1491 » by Spud2nique » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:54 pm

I’m 90% certain Luka will be drafted by the Kings, the Mavs or the Hawks. I’m right 60% of the time. Vlade wants Luka...Carlisle wants Luka... Bud wants Luka...

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Post#1492 » by macd-gm » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:35 am

Spud2nique wrote:I’m 90% certain Luka will be drafted by the Kings, the Mavs or the Hawks. I’m right 60% of the time. Vlade wants Luka...Carlisle wants Luka... Bud wants Luka...

BOOK IT!!!


Hmmm. So one of the first 3 teams picking will pick the player who is a consensus top 3 pick. Damn spud you're good...you are good.
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Post#1493 » by Spud2nique » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:10 am

macd-gm wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:I’m 90% certain Luka will be drafted by the Kings, the Mavs or the Hawks. I’m right 60% of the time. Vlade wants Luka...Carlisle wants Luka... Bud wants Luka...

BOOK IT!!!


Hmmm. So one of the first 3 teams picking will pick the player who is a consensus top 3 pick. Damn spud you're good...you are good.


Ummmm excuse you...what about the Grizz, Bulls, etc. They could be a top 3 and I didn’t mention them Mr. smarty pants!
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Post#1494 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:39 am

Spud2nique wrote:I’m 90% certain Luka will be drafted by the Kings, the Mavs or the Hawks. I’m right 60% of the time. Vlade wants Luka...Carlisle wants Luka... Bud wants Luka...

BOOK IT!!!

Hopefully not the Kings. Don't want to see another prospect get ruined. Can he force the Kings to not draft him by threatening not coming over?
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Post#1495 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:37 am

I'm growing more enamored with the thought of drafting the Porter Brothers:

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Post#1496 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:42 am

Mikal has a legit shot at growing into the next Khris MIddleton. Not the guy, but a great secondary player.

And M Bridges does seem to fit the mold of T Schlnk/GSW players. Most (all?) of their players were drafted after multiple years of college where they honed their games and grew into their bodies before going pro.



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Bridges almost didn’t post up at all in his freshman (once) and sophomore (zero) seasons. He barely came off screens (16 total possessions his first two years). Now he has integrated both of those aspects to his game as a 6-7 wing, while also becoming a hyper efficient spot-up shooter and pick-and-roll initiator. He still maintains high levels of efficiency in transition scoring and cutting to the hoop. Of players with at least 400 possessions of offense resulting in a shot attempt, free throw attempt, or turnover, Bridges ranks fourth in the entire country in scoring efficiency.

Bridges hasn’t really lost much efficiency with his increased usage and role over his three years at Villanova. He takes care of the ball and makes shots at a very efficient rate.
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Post#1497 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:47 am

None of those guys were worthy of a top 3 pick, though.

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Post#1498 » by jayu70 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:27 am

Mmmmmm.....he's not the athlete either one of them are even today. I think people forget what Prime Manu looked like.
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Post#1499 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:54 am

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Post#1500 » by thr3ep01nte4 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:18 am

Jamaaliver wrote:None of those guys were worthy of a top 3 pick, though.


I think you are right about Hayward. But would you take John Wall or Bradley Beal over Manu? Those are top 3 picks.

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