Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[Jamaaliver]

Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.

I'd be very okay with turning Teague into a top ten pick and a backup big man (Thompson) on an expiring contract. We get a chance at a young star, depth in the frontcourt, and still get an extra million in cap space from the deal. Love it.

I remember a couple of seasons back, Cousins was out and Thompson filled in as starter during the Kings EC road trip. He had impressive production against weak Centers in the East. He can defend in the post, block out, rebound...and that's pretty much all we need.

But the chance at a young star is worth the trouble anyway.

[atlantabbq99]

Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

[Years80HAWKS]

Trading a solid, proven, starter, All Star veteran still improving for a pick, when your other centrepieces are around or over 30 would be stupid. Bigs help to win, but PGs and scorers get you tittles. Schröeder is still a season ago from being a solid starter.
Rookies take a while to adjust and be productive (as much as 5 years).
We need inmidiate help in the form of veterans and, may be, a good rookie that can contribute with what he can do.
I can only see Kaminsky as that player to give us 15-18 minutes behind Horford or together with Horford.
I would be happy if we do not end Kaminsky and we end up with either Monroe, Robin or another big. The resign both Carroll and Millsap. We then should get a plain scorer at the SF position through the draft.

Teague-Schröeder
Carroll-Korver
Sefolosha-Bazemore
Horford-Kaminsky
Monroe-XXX (¿Ed Davis?)-Tavares
(we could let Milsap go in order to get a real C).

Teague-Schröeder
Carroll-Korver
Sefolosha-XXX-Bazemore
Horford-Millsap
XXX (cheap C)-XXX-Tavares

[dms269]

Trading a solid, proven, starter, All Star veteran still improving for a pick, when your other centrepieces are around or over 30 would be stupid. Bigs help to win, but PGs and scorers get you tittles. Schröeder is still a season ago from being a solid starter.
Rookies take a while to adjust and be productive (as much as 5 years).
We need inmidiate help in the form of veterans and, may be, a good rookie that can contribute with what he can do.
I can only see Kaminsky as that player to give us 15-18 minutes behind Horford or together with Horford.
I would be happy if we do not end Kaminsky and we end up with either Monroe, Robin or another big. The resign both Carroll and Millsap. We then should get a plain scorer at the SF position through the draft.

Teague-Schröeder
Carroll-Korver
Sefolosha-Bazemore
Horford-Kaminsky
Monroe-XXX (¿Ed Davis?)-Tavares
(we could let Milsap go in order to get a real C).

Teague-Schröeder
Carroll-Korver
Sefolosha-XXX-Bazemore
Horford-Millsap
XXX (cheap C)-XXX-Tavares

I think your lineups are way off. There is no way Sefo starts over Korver. Plus if Millsap is brought back it will be him and Horford starting.

[my2bits]

Im open to criticism on this one, so......

Teague to the Kings for #6

then

#6 and #15 to the Knicks for #4

At #4, the Hawks draft Mudiay (or Russell)

Knicks trade down and take Lyles and get an extra pick.

Kings get a PG to bring together Cousins, Gay, and Ben.

Atlanta then has a future backcourt of Mudiay and Schroder

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

[my2bits]

If we trade up in the draft we should target an explosive wing or an athletic big like Stein, not another PG.

[atlantabbq99]

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?!

[atlantabbq99]

I don't see how we can get the 6 for Teague unless we are taking on Landry or Thompson's salary.

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

Who cares??? Thompson's contract wouldn't hurt the Hawks cap because Teague's contract going out would cancel it out. and the deal just helps secure a top 5 prospect on a rookie contract.

[dms269]

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?!

Dennis has always been considered a bad shooter. He has made some improvements, but he still has a long way to go. .427 fg% this year and a 3p% at .351. He isn't consistent there yet.

[atlantabbq99]

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?!

Dennis has always been considered a bad shooter. He has made some improvements, but he still has a long way to go. .427 fg% this year and a 3p% at .351. He isn't consistent there yet.

You must be joking right?!?! or you are just making stuff up?!?! Shooting has always been one of Schroder's strengths since he picked up a basketball. before joining the Hawks, Schroder shot 42% from three in the German league. Scouts were raving about his shooting technique in 2013 before the draft. And just last year Schroder shot 35% from three, and i don't know why you are saying 35% from three is all of a sudden bad in the NBA?!?!

[dms269]

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?!

Dennis has always been considered a bad shooter. He has made some improvements, but he still has a long way to go. .427 fg% this year and a 3p% at .351. He isn't consistent there yet.

You must be joking right?!?! or you are just making stuff up?!?! Shooting has always been one of Schroder's strengths since he picked up a basketball. before joining the Hawks, Schroder shot 42% from three in the German league. Scouts were raving about his shooting technique in 2013 before the draft. And just last year Schroder shot 35% from three, and i don't know why you are saying 35% from three is all of a sudden bad in the NBA?!?!

Dennis also shot .427 from fg% this year and last year it was around .40 points less. In the playoffs it was similar to last year's stats as well. .386 for our point guard is pretty horrible form the field. He was also pretty horrible from 3p% this year in the playoffs as well. He isn't this mythical shooter you think he is.

[Rip2137]

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Wait...how is this a real argument. Dennis Schroder is a bad shooter and its obvious.

[Jamaaliver]

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Wait...how is this a real argument. Dennis Schroder is a bad shooter and its obvious.

A wise man said, don't argue with fools...

It's very much a waste of time. And I'm about 75% certain this BBQ fellow is just TCorbin, Monsterblock reborn.

Dennis & Mudiay would be a poor fit. Dennis needs a shooter in the backcourt with him who can finish in transition, serve as secondary ball handler but doesn't need the ball to be effective. Someone in the mold of Danny Green, Rip Hamilton would be ideal.

Mudiay has talent, but his skill set is raw and somewhat duplicates Dennis's.

[my2bits]

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?![/quote

Calm down, first of all. Second, we are in the ECF for the first time ever and you want to trade Teague and give the keys to Schroder and a rookie? That will set us back at least a couple of years. Schroder is not a terrible shooter but he isn't a great one either. His 3pt % was boosted by a good stretch of uncharacteristic shooting in the regular season. It's still his biggest weakness along with turnovers. Schroder shot 30% from the field and 1/8 from long range in the series versus the Cavs. Besides Wade, Wall and Rose were going to LOTTERY teams so it didn't matter about their shooting because they were years away from contending for anything.

[my2bits]

Take on Landry or Thompson... that is okay with me

You are aware that the knock on Mudiay is that he can't shoot, right? A back court of he and Dennis would kill our spacing. Taking on Landry or Thompson wouldn't help us protect the rim or on the boards plus it creates a logjam at the 4.

Who cares??? Thompson's contract wouldn't hurt the Hawks cap because Teague's contract going out would cancel it out. and the deal just helps secure a top 5 prospect on a rookie contract.

Suppose you draft Mudiay. Even if he proves to be an explosive, down hill PG teams will simply lay off of him and play him for the drive, like John Wall. His learning curve could be 2 years or more. Horford is going on 29, Milsapp is approching 30 and korver is almost 34. Unless you know for fact that Mudiay is the next Jordan, Westbrook, Lebron I would not be willing to take a step back, unnecessarily, to take two forward. We can compete with the team we have if healthy. With a few minor, and I mean minor tweaks, we can be even better next year. BTW, Jason Thompson's per 36 min stats are identical to Muscala's. At least Muscala still has upside and is making chicken change compared to Thompson. Thompson is underwhelming in extended minutes while playing next to a top center in Cousins. No, thanks. Now, ask me what I would do.

[my2bits]

So???

Same thing was said about John Wall, Wade, and Derrick Rose when they were rookies.

So Mudiay is 19yr and still needs to work on his shooting so you don't want to draft him? So in 2003 you would have drafted Kirk Hinrich over Wade because Wade is not a good shooter at the time. That is just really not smart.

By the way, since when is Schroder considered a bad shooter like you are saying?!?!?!

Dennis has always been considered a bad shooter. He has made some improvements, but he still has a long way to go. .427 fg% this year and a 3p% at .351. He isn't consistent there yet.

You must be joking right?!?! or you are just making stuff up?!?! Shooting has always been one of Schroder's strengths since he picked up a basketball. before joining the Hawks, Schroder shot 42% from three in the German league. Scouts were raving about his shooting technique in 2013 before the draft. And just last year Schroder shot 35% from three, and i don't know why you are saying 35% from three is all of a sudden bad in the NBA?!?!

Could you please chill with the exclamation marks? We ain't in Germany the last I checked. I like Dennis. I think in time he could even start somewhere. His value to us, however, is with the second unit. Now if we had a couple of other solid players to strengthen that bench...

[my2bits]

I've seen several suggestion about trading Teague which would definitely change our ceiling but...how would feel about possibly trading Korver instead? He is soon to be 34 years old.

[my2bits]

Im sorry, what part of going from 38 wins and a first round exist to a 60 win year and he conference finals not a improvement.

And excuses? Looking at our failings as a team is an excuse? Or is it looking at where we need to improve? And Dennis Schroder as atrocious as was our bench play. But Dennis was especially horrid with leading the team in usage while shooting 33% and taking the 5th most shots despite 8 guys playing more minutes. To pretend that has NOTHING to do with losing two close games is the real excuse making. He got benched for Shelvin Mack for gods sake. The guy who was a big part of why we won 60 games, got benched for Shelvin Mack.

One of your ways to "improve" the team is to make him the starter and ship off the guy that played the best for us. That's not looking for improvement. That's just being so gungho about Dennis starting that all logic is being thrown to the side.

We looked bad the entire playoffs. Every criticism levied against us all year came to fruition. History says we finally graced a Conference Final. But those who watched objectively know: we had the easiest route in a weakened conference after ducking CHI in the final regular season game.

If John Wall doesn't fracture his hand in Round 2...I don't see any chance this Hawks team had of beating them. As it stands, it took miracle end of game occurrences and Instant Replay to get past a team everyone here believes is inferior.

And when we finally played a team considered truly elite...we got smacked around like the JV team every doubter accused us of being.

And yes, blaming our entire playoff struggles on a backup guard above all else, is an excuse to maintain the status quo.

Bottom Line: LeBron James and 4 scrubs >>>>> than anything we are able to put on the floor. LBJ hasn't lost a single EC playoff series in 5 years. It'll take serious upgrades to de-rail that train.

So if we trade Teague and keep Milsapp, Korver etc. do you think that will take us further next year? It's not as if those players played well or won their individual match-ups. Cleveland will be better next year with a healthier roster so how does keeping the same starters minus Jeff supposed to elevate us above them? You want to trade somebody? Trade Korver.

[D21]

I've seen several suggestion about trading Teague which would definitely change our ceiling but...how would feel about possibly trading Korver instead? He is soon to be 34 years old.

This stat alone from 82games shows that we shouldn't trade him :

[my2bits]

Those numbers look good. Are they from the ECF?