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kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:kg01 wrote:
To elaborate, I don't want a system player as our top 3 pick. I want a guy who can succeed regardless of system.
Better?
If you don’t want a system player, is it fair to say that you wouldn’t want a system coach as well? If so, I have some bad news about Bud...
Jamal in 3.....2..
How could you?
kg01 wrote:macd-gm wrote:kg01 wrote:Y'all are too high on the dude. His success/failure in a tournament scenario is meaningless to his evaluation. Game-planning in a tournament scenario is virtually non-existent so, if the guy explodes or struggles, it's indicative of absolutely nothing.
Now, y'all know I'm down of the guy but even I haven't jumped on him for the struggles as of late. He is what I always thought he was, a guy you'll have to support tremendously in order for him to have success 'his way'.
He's not a guy who's learning plans b, c or d when plan a is taken away. If he doesn't get to pound the ball into the court and get whatever shot he wants, when he wants it, he struggles. He doesn't know how to play off the ball. Those are the things that make Curry elite, made Curry elite in college. I'm not saying Young will never get it, I'm saying I'd rather let ORL or SAC deal with it.
As is the case with Doncic, I'm wary of drafting a guy for whom we'll have to re-shape the roster or for whom we'll have to only play a certain way in order to succeed.
I disagree. First off Curry never played off the ball in college and Curry in college was playing Furman and Wofford all season long. Curry averaged 3.7 assists for his college career and shot the ball 20 times a game. Young is averaging 10 assists in his freshmen year. But when comparing Young to Curry you just can't overstate that Curry was playing against extremely weak competition in college. College of Charleston, Citadel, Wofford, Georgia Southern, Furman, Western Carolina, Elon. That was the conference he was in for 3 years.
Listen, macd. I've tried to let you down easy on this thing but ... *sigh* ... you're gonna have to buy a Magic jersey with Young on the back.
We'll always be there for you, macd.
kg01 wrote:
I am giving him leeway in that I don't sway with his results/stats. How he's playing matters more. He's not being taught the skills he'll need to become a player of Curry's ilk.
If he was willing (or being told) to play off the ball, those supposed awful players he's playing with would be more effective.
I have 2 questions.
1) Is this year's Oklahoma team more/less/equally talented to last year's Washington team and 2016's LSU team?
2) Did Fultz and/or Simmons see a similar crash in their play to Young?
MaceCase wrote:I have 2 questions.
1) Is this year's Oklahoma team more/less/equally talented to last year's Washington team and 2016's LSU team?
2) Did Fultz and/or Simmons see a similar crash in their play to Young?
kg01 wrote:MaceCase wrote:I have 2 questions.
1) Is this year's Oklahoma team more/less/equally talented to last year's Washington team and 2016's LSU team?
2) Did Fultz and/or Simmons see a similar crash in their play to Young?
Interesting questions. Supposedly both the LSU team and WAS team had other guys who were considered NBA-level guys. I think LSU has 2 guys hovering around the Gleague ... Blakeney and Quarterman. Not sure about WAS.
Both Oklahoma's roster and level of competition are comparable. It's not like they're out there playing with a bunch of 5'8" fat guys.
kg01 wrote:MaceCase wrote:I have 2 questions.
1) Is this year's Oklahoma team more/less/equally talented to last year's Washington team and 2016's LSU team?
2) Did Fultz and/or Simmons see a similar crash in their play to Young?
Interesting questions. Supposedly both the LSU team and WAS team had other guys who were considered NBA-level guys. I think LSU has 2 guys hovering around the Gleague ... Blakeney and Quarterman. Not sure about WAS.
Both Oklahoma's roster and level of competition are comparable. It's not like they're out there playing with a bunch of 5'8" fat guys.
MaceCase wrote:kg01 wrote:MaceCase wrote:I have 2 questions.
1) Is this year's Oklahoma team more/less/equally talented to last year's Washington team and 2016's LSU team?
2) Did Fultz and/or Simmons see a similar crash in their play to Young?
Interesting questions. Supposedly both the LSU team and WAS team had other guys who were considered NBA-level guys. I think LSU has 2 guys hovering around the Gleague ... Blakeney and Quarterman. Not sure about WAS.
Both Oklahoma's roster and level of competition are comparable. It's not like they're out there playing with a bunch of 5'8" fat guys.
It's why I asked. I'm seeing a lot of people mention Young's supporting cast as reasoning for his troubles but distinctly remember both Simmons and Fultz still remaining the undisputed #1 overalls despite not winning a lick in college. Basically I'm trying to parse out the individual talent away from any team context.
After an extremely slow start to the year, Miami’s Lonnie Walker is starting to flash the potential he showed in high school.
Since Jan. 13, Walker has played at least 29 minutes in all but one game. He’s started to look like himself again.
Over that 14-game stretch, against elite ACC competition, Walker is averaging 14 points per game, and has hit nearly 39 percent of his 3s on 93 attempts in that span. It’s not just the numbers, however. Walker is working with the ball in his hands more, he’s making great reads for teammates and playing strong defense.
He has incredibly quick feet and a great profile for a 2. With an elite wingspan, Walker can wreak havoc defensively and get his shot off against nearly any wing player.
his passing is encouraging and so is his shot-making. He’s no Mikal Bridges when it comes to shot diversity, but Walker isn’t just a 3-and-D prospect. Walker has shown an ability to hit shots both on the move, standing still and off the dribble.
he’s still not a perfect player. He takes plays off defensively. Walker has a ways to go in becoming a good team defender, but he absolutely can get there. The biggest areas of improvement are finishing at the rim and ball-handling.
Spud2nique wrote:I actually would take a look at Young now that I think about it.
Is Trae putting up numbers because of Lon or in spite of him?
Spud2nique wrote:The only thing that scares the crap out of me is that Young is coached by none other than Lon Kruger....there are a few names in Hawks history that when mentioned, makes my eyelids twitch involuntarily...he is on that list. Some of the darkest days were under his command. Ugh.
kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:The only thing that scares the crap out of me is that Young is coached by none other than Lon Kruger....there are a few names in Hawks history that when mentioned, makes my eyelids twitch involuntarily...he is on that list. Some of the darkest days were under his command. Ugh.
Heh, lemme see if I can force @spud into a full-on seizure ....
Ed Gray .... Priest Lauderdale .... Shelden Williams ... Adam Keefe .... Doug Edwards ....
.... Bob Weiss ..... Michael .. Gearon ... Jr..
Congrats to Lonnie Walker for showing improvement. Hope you stay in school. You'll be a lotto pick next year.
SOMEBODY CALLLLL 911...shortays passed out..are you trying to kill me? You forgot Roshown McLeod ...another Dukie....not to be mistaken with George “get off my cloud” McCloud.. 
Jamaaliver wrote:Thoughts on this kid as a prospect?
His stock has risen steadily the last couple of months:
HMFFL wrote:It's hard not to like what he's done the last three games against SEC teams, but I need to see more, and to see him be more consistent. I'd like to see him attempt more 3-pointers too.
He should be on our radar but how high?
FansidedKevin Knox
Freshman, Small Forward
Projection: Lottery
Age: 18 (8/11/1999)
Height, Weight, Wingspan: 6’9″, 215 pounds, 7’0″
Slash Line: .352/.353/.777
Season Averages: 32.5 MPG, 15.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 1.4 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.6 3PM
The No. 1 Kentucky player on the board in 2018 is Kevin Knox, who has the tools to be a contemporary version of Josh Smith.
With an understanding of how valuable the three-point shot can be, Knox should be something between a high-level starter and a star.
Knox has the tools to play both forward positions, which makes him the perfect fit for this stretch 4 era. He can defend multiple positions with his combination of size, strength, and length, and has the athleticism to switch onto guards.
Offensively, Knox is a force of nature in the open court and a solid three-point shooter who can attack a closeout. His game is still raw at this stage of his development, but he moves well without the ball, has ideal shooting form, and has improved his ability to drive in isolation.
