The case AGAINST keeping Millsap

Post #161 » by **City of Trees** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:19 am

Poster on the Kings board who claims to have a source says Kings are offering Gay or Afflalo, + WCS and McLemore

All seems light to me

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Post #162 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:19 am

City of Trees wrote:

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So Millsap to New Orleans isn't happening.

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Post #163 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:49 am

City of Trees wrote:Poster on the Kings board who claims to have a source says Kings are offering Gay or Afflalo, + WCS and McLemore

All seems light to me

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How have WCS and McLemore been doing? Sorry I haven't followed the Kings much this year. I remember how giddy everyone was over WCS coming out of Kentucky a couple years ago.

Post #164 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:56 am

City of Trees wrote:Poster on the Kings board who claims to have a source says Kings are offering Gay or Afflalo, + WCS and McLemore

All seems light to me

This package would have to be strongly considered. WCS and McLemore for Millsap...it's a low-risk, high reward kind of move.

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Bosnian Diehard · Post #165 » by **Bosnian Diehard** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:12 am

ATL Boy wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Poster on the Kings board who claims to have a source says Kings are offering Gay or Afflalo, + WCS and McLemore

All seems light to me

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How have WCS and McLemore been doing? Sorry I haven't followed the Kings much this year. I remember how giddy everyone was over WCS coming out of Kentucky a couple years ago.

Sadly McLemore has had his worst season yet. I've always been a believer and his talent and I'm starting to think he may be playing in Europe soon...

WCS is underperforming although I think he will snap out of this funk. He was great last season tbh, if he could get back to form he will be a solid NBA player.

Post #166 » by **ATL Boy** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:18 am

Bosnian Diehard wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Poster on the Kings board who claims to have a source says Kings are offering Gay or Afflalo, + WCS and McLemore

All seems light to me

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How have WCS and McLemore been doing? Sorry I haven't followed the Kings much this year. I remember how giddy everyone was over WCS coming out of Kentucky a couple years ago.

Sadly McLemore has had his worst season yet. I've always been a believer and his talent and I'm starting to think he may be playing in Europe soon...

WCS is underperforming although I think he will snap out of this funk. He was great last season tbh, if he could get back to form he will be a solid NBA player.

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Post #167 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 3:11 pm

...Millsap is now the last remaining starter from the 2015 Hawks and it makes little sense to hang around given management’s ongoing retooling efforts. At 31, he is undoubtedly seeking one final major pay day next summer, but he would be foolish to tie himself to a Hawks franchise that dumped Teague to avoid paying him, couldn’t convince Horford to re-sign, settled for Dwight Howard, and shopped Millsap last summer. That’s not just writing on the wall, that’s sprawling graffiti.

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Post #168 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 5:50 pm

For Atlanta, [the Korver trade] is just the first of multiple moves to be executed between now and the February trade deadline. Paul Millsap has been floated in trade rumors already and it would make sense for the Hawks to trade him and Thabo Sefolosha, who both become unrestricted free agents this summer. Reports have arisen that almost every team in the league is monitoring the Millsap situation; he’d be a fantastic addition to any team either pushing for the playoffs (Denver, Sacramento) or pushing for an upset title run (Toronto). The Hawks will have their pick of deals from across the league and it’s up to them to find the best deal for their most valuable asset before he disappears in free agency.

Sefolosha will have a market as well as a quality role player; it’s Sefolosha who has emerged as the Hawks’ most dependable wing on both sides of the floor. Somebody will pick up Sefolosha for very cheap and find that he’s more than just a quality perimeter defender;

Don’t be surprised if he pops up in the conference finals as a surprise role player for a contender.

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D21 · Post #169 » by **D21** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:23 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
...Millsap is now the last remaining starter from the 2015 Hawks and it makes little sense to hang around given management’s ongoing retooling efforts. At 31, he is undoubtedly seeking one final major pay day next summer, but he would be foolish to tie himself to a Hawks franchise that dumped Teague to avoid paying him, couldn’t convince Horford to re-sign, settled for Dwight Howard, and shopped Millsap last summer. That’s not just writing on the wall, that’s sprawling graffiti.
Sports Illustrated

Lots of intentional misinterpretations here.
Teague : it was keeping him or Dennis. One of both have to be paid, but not both. A choice have to be made.
Horford : he doesn't wanted to absolutely leave, he wanted to stay for the same money than BOS on 5yrs instead of 4. The 6M difference were what made the same annual salary.
And it was more complicated once they re-signed Bazemore for that contract
Millsap rumors came after Bazemore signing, and other teams has leverage by wanting him and not Splitter, knowing the situation, while a simple trade of Splitter and cutting one or two players was enough to keep Horford and Millsap, and adding Howard

Saying that they don't want players and let them go is completely inexact, it's just some minor mistakes made that lead to this situations, some mistakes they should avoid.

Post #170 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jan 6, 2017 6:29 pm

D21 wrote:Lots of intentional misinterpretations here.

Teague : it was keeping him or Dennis. One of both have to be paid, but not both. A choice have to be made.
Horford : he doesn't wanted to absolutely leave, he wanted to stay for the same money than BOS on 5yrs instead of 4. The 6M difference were what made the same annual salary.
And it was more complicated once they re-signed Bazemore for that contract
Millsap rumors came after Bazemore signing, and other teams has leverage by wanting him and not Splitter, knowing the situation, while a simple trade of Splitter and cutting one or two players was enough to keep Horford and Millsap, and adding Howard

Saying that they don't want players and let them go is completely inexact, it's just some minor mistakes made that lead to this situations, some mistakes they should avoid.

While I might not agree with all of it, everything above makes complete sense.

Especially this:

D21 wrote:And it was more complicated once they re-signed Bazemore for that contract...

Post #171 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jan 7, 2017 5:15 pm

What do the Hawks hope to get in a Millsap trade:

Other serious suitors for Millsap are bound to emerge, but here's the real question: Can Atlanta get a future first-round pick of better quality than the first it's getting for Korver when Millsap is poised to attract so much big-money interest as a free agent come July 1? Teams could well prove hesitant to surrender too much for a primo pending free agent.

The Hawks, sources say, want at least one quality first to headline a Millsap deal. The Raptors, meanwhile, have to decide whether a deal for Millsap closes the gap on Cleveland sufficiently to part with quality assets and justifies the expense involved to re-sign him in the same offseason All-Star guard Kyle Lowry is due for a new deal./p

Denver engaged in serious talks to acquire Millsap last summer and is known to be interested again, alongside Toronto and Sacramento. (The Nuggets, for the record, are now openly shopping third-year big man Jusuf Nurkic in addition to the widely assumed availability of vets Danilo Gallinari, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler).

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Post #172 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jan 7, 2017 5:54 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:What do the Hawks hope to get in a Millsap trade:

Other serious suitors for Millsap are bound to emerge, but here's the real question: Can Atlanta get a future first-round pick of better quality than the first it's getting for Korver when Millsap is poised to attract so much big-money interest as a free agent come July 1? Teams could well prove hesitant to surrender too much for a primo pending free agent.

The Hawks, sources say, want at least one quality first to headline a Millsap deal. The Raptors, meanwhile, have to decide whether a deal for Millsap closes the gap on Cleveland sufficiently to part with quality assets and justifies the expense involved to re-sign him in the same offseason All-Star guard Kyle Lowry is due for a new deal./p

Denver engaged in serious talks to acquire Millsap last summer and is known to be interested again, alongside Toronto and Sacramento. (The Nuggets, for the record, are now openly shopping third-year big man Jusuf Nurkic in addition to the widely assumed availability of vets Danilo Gallinari, Kenneth Faried and Wilson Chandler).
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A young center with physical gifts like Jusuf Nurkic along with a player like Gallinari (who would keep us competitive this season) and a first would be a package I can really get behind. Nurkic seems disgruntled so I don't think it's far-fetched that we could get him in a package.

Don't really have much interest in Faried if we're moving forward with the Dwight experiment (and I don't see why we wouldn't). A Faried/Howard combo just seems like a disaster with the lack of spacing.

Post #173 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:35 am

Read on Twitter

6 is a very healthy number. Hopefully a team will become desperate enough to overpay in a bidding war if we do move Sap.

Post #174 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 12:12 pm

ATL Boy wrote:

Read on Twitter

6 is a very healthy number. Hopefully a team will become desperate enough to overpay in a bidding war if we do move Sap.

I do think this is the best approach. Fielding a competitive team on the floor for today, while collecting assets for long-term use.

If we play our cards right, we might snag a big Free Agent this summer AND garner a few top picks for use in the draft.

A true 'rebootooling'. Better late than never, right?

chrismikayla · Post #175 » by **chrismikayla** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 1:13 pm

This win streak may be bad in that it might convince brass that this team should stand pat. I'm in the camp of not losing players for nothing in return. Get assets for Milsap now.

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Post #176 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 6:33 pm

chrismikayla wrote:This win streak may be bad in that it might convince brass that this team should stand pat. I'm in the camp of not losing players for nothing in return. Get assets for Milsap now.

I have a strong suspicion you are on to something:

The Hawks have indicated to rival teams that they could soon be serious about moving Paul Millsap, but haven’t been aggressive in soliciting offers yet, league sources told The Vertical.

It remains unclear how far the Hawks will go in reshaping the roster, whether it will be a complete teardown or a more subtle retooling.

I won't be happy if we keep Millsap and watch him walk away this summer. But dangling him in trade talk and letting this hang over the team for weeks (months?) for the second straight year is bush-league and amateurish.

I expect more from Wes and Bud.

Post #177 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 7:43 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Just imagine if we'd traded Millsap to ORL before the draft instead of Oklahoma City jumping on that deal. We could have gotten a lottery pick + Victor Oladipo + Ilyansova. That'd be huge for us now and long-term.

I doubt we'll be lucky enough to get a package that strong mid-season should we actually move Paul.

NOTE: A lineup of Howard-Horford-Korver-Oladipo-Dennis would have been lethal come post-season.

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

Post #178 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 7:47 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Just imagine if we'd traded Millsap to ORL before the draft instead of Oklahoma City jumping on that deal. We could have gotten a lottery pick + Victor Oladipo + Ilyansova. That'd be huge for us now and long-term.

I doubt we'll be lucky enough to get a package that strong mid-season should we actually move Paul.

NOTE: A lineup of Howard-Horford-Korver-Oladipo-Dennis would have been lethal come post-season.

You might want to sit down for this one Jamaal:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

I am aghast

td00 · Post #179 » by **td00** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 8:03 pm

In no way should we trade Sap. Since signing with us, and has been nothing but terrific. He and Dwight are the best combo in the league. So why isn't that good enough? Signing Baze to that deal was the mistake, not Sap. Baze nor DMC were going to help us enough. We need a legit 2, and I don't hear moving Sap for one so far.
WCS and McLemore or Gay? All 3 couldn't put up what Sap does for us nightly. WCS and Howard in the frontline? Might as well go get Nerlens Noel.

So far, if Butler was gettable, I might consider that. Other than that name, I haven't heard one rumor that gives me hesitation to move Sap. Horford got pushed out with Dwight, so we blew that one not dealing him sooner. Same for Josh, not that his value was great at any time.

I guess if you 'have' to move Sap, no reason why Josh Smith can't be brought back to tease us with his jumpers. That would be a move no one could predict. I don't miss Josh by the way.

I'm of the opinion that Sap keeps us contending, not moving him. We might be the only team in the league that loses starters for maybes more often than anyone.

PandaKidd · Post #180 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Jan 9, 2017 10:13 pm

lolol

For now, the Hawks are determined to compete in the Eastern Conference and Millsap decision signals a shift away from unloading assets.

Just laughable. They trade Korver for Dunleavy (TO THE TEAM THAT THEY CANT BEAT) and now all of the sudden they "arent shopping Millsap" because they think they can compete?

When will this FO learn.

In light of this:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244530/Magic-Tried-To-Trade-For-Paul-Millsap-Before-Doing-Serge-Ibaka-Deal

We could have traded Millsap last offseason possibly (wonder if it was for Oladipo, im sure it was). If we did that could we have kept Horford AND signed Dwight?

Is it time to move Millsap?