What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae?

Post #161 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:22 pm

Post #162 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:48 pm

Hawks leaning too much on outside shots, not putting enough pressure on attacking the painted area. Glad to see coach recognize this:

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Post #163 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Dec 4, 2018 2:03 pm

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Something the Hawks -- and Trae Young -- need to figure out is how to get him shots off the catch. Everything seems to require an on ball screen and a live dribble. He needs to move, screen, cut, relocate, etc. Basically, watch a ton of Steph tape.
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Post #164 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 5, 2018 12:43 pm

What we need to do for Trae, Huerter (and Cam?) moving forward:

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Post #165 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:49 pm

Hawks missing their old shooting coach?

Spoiler:

Atlanta Hawks: Team-Wide Three-Point Shooting Slump Tanks Offense

A swift examination of the Atlanta Hawks three-point shooting woes, which have made the team the worst offense in the league by a substantial margin

there are some troubling trends about the team’s shooting numbers, especially from long-range. Though we have already lauded Coach Lloyd Pierce’s lineup tinkering and modern offensive system, the team has been unable to put it into practice by making shots.

Though the Hawks are second in the league in corner three-point attempt rate at 10.8 percent and fourth in the league in total three-point attempt rate at 36.5 percent according to Cleaning the Glass, the team is 24th in corner three-pointer accuracy (35.2 percent) and dead last in non-corner three percentage (29.7 percent) and all three-pointer attempted (31.3 percent).

Many notable shooters, in addition to rookie PG Trae Young, are having down years.

Second-year big man John Collins, who flashed rock-solid shooting chops in his rookie year and Summer League, is down to 11.8 percent from deep on limited attempts (2 of 17) this year. Kent Bazemore, who flirted with 40 percent from distance last year, has drifted beneath 30 percent this year at 29.3.

Across the board and across all positions, the Atlanta Hawks are just having a hard time hitting the deep ball. Taurean Prince, Dewayne Dedmon, Tyler Dorsey and Omari Spellman are also shooting well below where one might’ve expected them to be in terms of three-point shooting coming into the season.

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macd-gm · Post #166 » by **macd-gm** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:58 pm

Hmmm what else has changed that might make 3 point accuracy for guys like Baze, Prince, Collins, and Dedmon take a nose dive. The shootingman is not the issue dude.

jayu70 · Post #167 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 6:12 pm

macd-gm wrote:Hmmm what else has changed that might make 3 point accuracy for guys like Baze, Prince, Collins, and Dedmon take a nose dive. The shootingman is not the issue dude.

Last season, there was a stat regarding the number of OPEN 3s the Hawks (was leading the league, IIRC).vs the percentage made, not very much. But they were open looks.
Would love to see the stats for this season so far.

Wide ooen looks is a function of the system being run - what exactly are we running? Are our guys getting true open looks?

jayu70 · Post #168 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 7:58 pm

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Post #169 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 8:42 pm

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Basketball Reference has them after 25 games on a per possession basis at:

Trae 19.6%
Lin 19.1%
Prince 16.2%
Bembry 15.6%
Huerter 15.3%
Bazemore 14.3%

On a per minute (here per36) basis, they produce:

Young 4.97
Lin 3.90
Prince 3.23
Bazemore 2.70
Bembry 2.50
Huerter 1.80

macd-gm · Post #170 » by **macd-gm** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:18 pm

Prince and Bazes turnover rate, for non PGs, seems way too high to me.

Post #171 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:30 pm

I wish we'd embrace this approach:

Kerr hinted that, for his Warriors, quantity isn't everything.

"My No. 1 priority is always an open shot rather than a particular type of shot," Kerr said before pregame warm-ups. "I don't care (about how many 3s we take). What I care about is great shots. I want to get really good, open shots. It doesn't matter if they're from 3 or they're from 2. I want them to be good ones and in rhythm. I'm not convinced math is everything. I'd rather go 6-for-12 from 2 and have the other team take the ball out of the net six times than 4-for-12 from 3 and have to deal with eight fast breaks."

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It's the difference between an innovator and a copy cat who doesn't know what he's doing.

NOTE: GSW never ranked lower than 15th in Offensive Rating during their rebuild (2009-now). We just improved to #29. :banghead:

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macd-gm · Post #172 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm

I think you're giving him too much credit. This is a stupid thing to say.

I'd rather go 6-for-12 from 2 and have the other team take the ball out of the net six times than 4-for-12 from 3 and have to deal with eight fast breaks

Post #173 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:08 pm

macd-gm wrote:I think you're giving him too much credit. This is a stupid thing to say.

I'd rather go 6-for-12 from 2 and have the other team take the ball out of the net six times than 4-for-12 from 3 and have to deal with eight fast breaks

I don't think all coaching staffs abide by this, though. Note that we are top-5 in 3-pt FG Attempts.

But dead last in 3-pt FG%.

Bad coaching. Particularly when our best player is a nigh unstoppable finisher at the rim.

macd-gm · Post #174 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:39 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
macd-gm wrote:I think you're giving him too much credit. This is a stupid thing to say.

I'd rather go 6-for-12 from 2 and have the other team take the ball out of the net six times than 4-for-12 from 3 and have to deal with eight fast breaks

I don't think all coaching staffs abide by this, though. Note that we are top-5 in 3-pt FG Attempts.

But dead last in 3-pt FG%.

Bad coaching. Particularly when our best player is a nigh unstoppable finisher at the rim.

I think most do but agree with your point that Pierce so far as been underwhelming. I'm totally on board with shooting a lot of threes if you know how to get guys open for them. we don't. And we don't have good 3 point shooters. That's the hard reality. At least Ferry was smart enough to bring in Korver to run a 3 heavy offense.

It seems like Pierce is starting to value some inside out play with Collins. I'm hoping more days off brings some better offensive schemes.

Post #175 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:14 pm

This isn't something to be bragging about, Coach Lloyd:

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Post #176 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:02 pm

Growth?

Reasons for optimism?

For Pierce and his coaching staff, success isn’t measured by the team’s record at the end of the season. That would be unfair to everyone involved because the team is heavily relying on a rookie point guard to be the focal point of the offense while he’s surrounded by players who are also young and inexperienced. So, success is measured by growth, and not wins, for the Hawks.

Pierce has seen growth from the Hawks, especially in the past six games. Atlanta’s shot selection, which might not be sustainable long-term, has been ideal. The Hawks have taken 73 percent of their shots either at the rim or from 3-point range in the past six games. The team is first in attempts at the rim in that stretch. The shots aren’t always falling, which explains why the Hawks have won only two of those six games, but they’re getting the looks they want. Again, it’s about patience. Those shots will fall at some point.

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You can view league-wide advanced stats during the last six games, here.

Post #177 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:This isn't something to be bragging about, Coach Lloyd:

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That is embarrassing for Lloyd.

Post #178 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:06 pm

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Post #179 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:19 pm

Even more remarkable is that the top 8 spots are all from this season and 18 of the top 20 are from the last 3 seasons.

Spud2nique · Post #180 » by **Spud2nique** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:01 am

Jamaaliver wrote:I wish we'd embrace this approach:

Kerr hinted that, for his Warriors, quantity isn't everything.

"My No. 1 priority is always an open shot rather than a particular type of shot," Kerr said before pregame warm-ups. "I don't care (about how many 3s we take). What I care about is great shots. I want to get really good, open shots. It doesn't matter if they're from 3 or they're from 2. I want them to be good ones and in rhythm. I'm not convinced math is everything. I'd rather go 6-for-12 from 2 and have the other team take the ball out of the net six times than 4-for-12 from 3 and have to deal with eight fast breaks."
CBS Sports

It's the difference between an innovator and a copy cat who doesn't know what he's doing.

NOTE: GSW never ranked lower than 15th in Offensive Rating during their rebuild (2009-now). We just improved to #29.

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STFU Kerr...what a reject! Hate that choir boy.