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Drygon wrote:At this point, it's safe to say that Luka is a superior player compared to others in his draft class. Will definitely win ROTY award.

No disrespect for the likes of Trae Young or Ayton because Luka is that good.

Luka was already tearing up in EuroLeague before getting drafted to NBA.

I genuinely don't see the point for keeping this thread active anymore.

Drygon wrote:At this point, it's safe to say that Luka is a superior player compared to others in his draft class. Will definitely win ROTY award.

No disrespect for the likes of Trae Young or Ayton because Luka is that good.

Luka was already tearing up in EuroLeague before getting drafted to NBA.

I genuinely don't see the point for keeping this thread active anymore.

hawkmanreturns wrote:

Drygon wrote:At this point, it's safe to say that Luka is a superior player compared to others in his draft class. Will definitely win ROTY award.

No disrespect for the likes of Trae Young or Ayton because Luka is that good.

Luka was already tearing up in EuroLeague before getting drafted to NBA.

I genuinely don't see the point for keeping this thread active anymore.

Who are you? Are you an Atlanta Hawks fan? Who's mans is this???

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Both rookies have been fantastic.

Bob8 wrote:

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Both rookies have been fantastic.

Luka has 50% winning record in February and Trae 42%. You know those averages are for the reason, because with your accumulative stats, all awards would go to players, who played all games. But I might be wrong, and Trae will win ROY convincingly. Lets see.

Bob8 wrote:

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Both rookies have been fantastic.

Luka has 50% winning record in February and Trae 42%. You know those averages are for the reason, because with your accumulative stats, all awards would go to players, who played all games. But I might be wrong, and Trae will win ROY convincingly. Lets see.

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:

Bob8 wrote:

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

Both rookies have been fantastic.

Luka has 50% winning record in February and Trae 42%. You know those averages are for the reason, because with your accumulative stats, all awards would go to players, who played all games. But I might be wrong, and Trae will win ROY convincingly. Lets see.

Mmmm...tasty red herring.

You keep pointing to ROY when I'm saying it is Luka easily for the entire season given where things are today. The winning issue is a team based issue not a Luka based issue. Voters disproportionately give awards to players from teams that outperform and disproportionately ignore players from teams that underperform. Atlanta has won 42% of games in February and 32% for the rest of the season - Trae's hot play has resulted in a roughly 1/3 increase in winning %. Dallas has won 40% of games in February and 45% on the rest of the season so his February has resulted in more losses for the team than normal. This is also where skipping games comes into play because it has hurt his team's win total.

So we have one player who has:

* 50% more points on similar efficiency
* 100% more assists
* A 50% better A/TO ratio
* 300% more steals
* 33% fewer rebounds

And that player's team is winning substantially more often in February versus a player on the downside of all those stats other than rebounding and whose team is on a down tick for the month (basically walking away from the playoff race over the course of the month).

As I mentioned, offensively (and offense is the big driver for these awards) Trae has also been better on a rate basis because of the turnovers for Doncic. That is reflected in their offensive ratings for the month:

* Trae 118 offensive rating - 108 offensive rating for Luka

(Notably, Trae also has the better offensive rating for January based on his big edge in scoring efficiency but it is closer)

They will both win rookie for the month for their conference but Young is the one with the better February resume.

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:meh post

Colbinii wrote:I was extremely impressed with his play against my Timberwolves last night. I have been watching him and Doncic relatively consistently throughout the season [~1 time per week] and he is down right an impressive talent and more importantly an impressive basketball player. Rookie's like Trae are rare; playing the most difficult position in the NBA and IMPROVING throughout the season. The coaching staff needs to get a lot of credit for putting Trae in a position to improve throughout the season with his roster [Not that it is bad, but it kind of it]. He has been able to put a lot of criticism behind him [or ignores it] and the sky is the limit for him.

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:meh post

Come on man. Context Context Context. One team completely threw in the towel by trading a lot of their roster at the start of February while one player is finally growing into his. Please do not compare them in February, it isn't fair to Doncic [Just like it wasn't fair for Trae given his lack of experience before this season compared to Doncic]. You can post better than this and not be a homer.

Colbinii wrote:I was extremely impressed with his play against my Timberwolves last night. I have been watching him and Doncic relatively consistently throughout the season [~1 time per week] and he is down right an impressive talent and more importantly an impressive basketball player. Rookie's like Trae are rare; playing the most difficult position in the NBA and IMPROVING throughout the season. The coaching staff needs to get a lot of credit for putting Trae in a position to improve throughout the season with his roster [Not that it is bad, but it kind of it]. He has been able to put a lot of criticism behind him [or ignores it] and the sky is the limit for him.

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:meh post

Come on man. Context Context Context. One team completely threw in the towel by trading a lot of their roster at the start of February while one player is finally growing into his. Please do not compare them in February, it isn't fair to Doncic [Just like it wasn't fair for Trae given his lack of experience before this season compared to Doncic]. You can post better than this and not be a homer.

AHawks89 wrote:Young is starting to make a lot of noise around the league. Although ESPN (and other media) hate digging into his stats (because they've all been wrong), they pretty much have to since the rest of the world knows what is going on. No offense Soth, but I was a big believer in Trae when we drafted him, so I screen shotted your post on HS bashing him. It's all love.