Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[saloonyk8]

1. What would Indiana want for Turner? Probably 1-2 FRP... But what players actually interest them?

If they're loaded at guard and are trading away a young big man, they'd probably want Okongwu and Jalen Johnson...as a starting point.

JJ I can do but to me it's insane to trade OO

If that's the price of Turner I'm not sure why some people would want Turner over DA or Gobert if we can keep OO Hunter etc.

[Jamaaliver]

JJ I can do but to me it's insane to trade OO

If that's the price of Turner I'm not sure why some people would want Turner over DA or Gobert if we can keep OO Hunter etc.

If OO and Myles Turner play the same position, why would we even want both on the roster?

[jayu70]

JJ I can do but to me it's insane to trade OO

If that's the price of Turner I'm not sure why some people would want Turner over DA or Gobert if we can keep OO Hunter etc.

If OO and Myles Turner play the same position, why would we even want both on the roster?

Maybe I missed part of the discussion- where is Clint going and for whom?

[tbhawksfan1]

1. What would Indiana want for Turner? Probably 1-2 FRP... But what players actually interest them?

If they're loaded at guard and are trading away a young big man, they'd probably want Okongwu and Jalen Johnson...as a starting point.

No OO and maybe no JJ. They rebuilding, they take picks and Gallo+

We need to win trades or not trade

[tbhawksfan1]

If we're talking trades...Word is Hawks wanted in on CJ McCullom. My question is; why didn't we beat the crap that PELS sent to PORT?

[D21]

JJ I can do but to me it's insane to trade OO
If that's the price of Turner I'm not sure why some people would want Turner over DA or Gobert if we can keep OO Hunter etc.

If OO and Myles Turner play the same position, why would we even want both on the roster?

Turner over DA or Gobert because he add a 3pts C and cost far less in players and assets than these two, which allow to also improve more the wing defense and maybe trading Simmons, which is impossible if you trade for Ayton or Gobert instead of Turner

Regarding the position, we played with both Capela and Okongwu, having Turner instead Capela allow to play both at the same time if we need, because Turner can play PF

Even if we keep John, they have 32 minutes each to cover the PF/C rotation

1. What would Indiana want for Turner? Probably 1-2 FRP... But what players actually interest them?
2. If Turner is intent on testing FA (by not getting traded and agreeing to a deal before June 30), there's a lot of risk for giving up 2FRP

I agree on that, we can't send 2 FRP without at least having a extension.

If we are sure to keep John, we can send Jalen+Gallo, but I suspect they would prefer John or Clint, certainly more John

[Jamaaliver]

If we're talking trades...Word is Hawks wanted in on CJ McCullom. My question is; why didn't we beat the crap that PELS sent to PORT?

Hawks traded Reddish, got healthy, managed another winning streak midseason and the front office chose to stand pat.

Spoiler:

From January:

Hawks are putting it all together defensively and looking like last season’s team



“I love our defense,” Nate McMillan said after the Hawks’ win over the Celtics on Friday.

What’s become clear over Atlanta’s seven-game winning streak is the team’s defense is noticeably better. Trae Young has been a big part of the team’s defensive renaissance. Young has realized how he needs to be better, needs to give more effort and show his teammates he’s going to be useful defensively. A recent conversation between Young and McMillan illustrated that the star point guard is taking his coach’s words to heart.

McMillan told him that Atlanta’s defense starts with him. There were too many times in the first half of the season where Young would die on screens, not get back in transition and wouldn’t bother contesting a shot or closing out. We’re now seeing Young fight through screens, run back when there’s a leak out and close hard on shooters. That kind of effort can be and has been a difference-maker for the Hawks in the past two weeks and has them 24-25 after starting 17-25.

“I think it’s important that Trae sends a message to his teammates that he’s working on both ends of the floor and he’s not just playing on the offensive end of the floor,” McMillan said Saturday.

"...you can’t be taking most of the shots and [then] giving up points and baskets. You can’t do that. I like his approach. That’s something we’ve been talking about since last season — is being that leader and being that guy who gets his teammates to work with him and work for him at that point guard position. Working on the defensive end of the floor is the way to do that.”

Young said he believes the effort he gives will lead to a trickle-down effect if he’s giving it his all on the defensive end of the floor. He’s been accepting of McMillan’s challenge to continue to lock in defensively and doesn’t care if how he’s playing defensively lately goes unnoticed.

Buying in defensively was one of the biggest problems plaguing the Hawks to start this season. It hasn’t been a problem for the Hawks lately, even with teams still scoring in bunches. But we can’t say it’s due to a lack of effort right now.

“I think pride is a big factor. We wanted to be better defensively,” John Collins said.

In the last seven games, the Hawks have a defensive rating of 108.0, the sixth-best in the NBA. Having a healthy De’Andre Hunter helps, Onyeka Okongwu has been remarkable during this stretch and so has the bench unit, including defensive liabilities Danilo Gallinari and Lou Williams. While Young playing better helps, everyone has taken a step forward on that end of the court.

One of the most frustrating things about the Hawks this season is it has always been clear they could’ve been the team we’ve seen over these past two weeks. They’ve scored with ease against just about everyone and have the NBA’s second-best offense. The Hawks started last season shaky defensively before figuring it out in the second half of the season. The results show they’re starting to put it together on the defensive end of the floor, and that’s what makes them dangerous.

A significant development for the Hawks is having Okongwu grow into an unmovable force in the center of the paint, no matter his matchup. You can see the makings of a team that is remarkable offensively with Young at the center of it all, 3-point shooters around him, Hunter being the lockdown point-of-attack defender on the perimeter and Okongwu/Capela the necessary rim protectors.If they can continue to put it all together in the next few months, just maybe the Hawks can go on another second-half run.

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[tbhawksfan1]

If we're talking trades...Word is Hawks wanted in on CJ McCullom. My question is; why didn't we beat the crap that PELS sent to PORT?

Hawks traded Reddish, got healthy, managed another winning streak midseason and the front office chose to stand pat.

Spoiler:

From January:

Hawks are putting it all together defensively and looking like last season’s team



“I love our defense,” Nate McMillan said after the Hawks’ win over the Celtics on Friday.

What’s become clear over Atlanta’s seven-game winning streak is the team’s defense is noticeably better. Trae Young has been a big part of the team’s defensive renaissance. Young has realized how he needs to be better, needs to give more effort and show his teammates he’s going to be useful defensively. A recent conversation between Young and McMillan illustrated that the star point guard is taking his coach’s words to heart.

McMillan told him that Atlanta’s defense starts with him. There were too many times in the first half of the season where Young would die on screens, not get back in transition and wouldn’t bother contesting a shot or closing out. We’re now seeing Young fight through screens, run back when there’s a leak out and close hard on shooters. That kind of effort can be and has been a difference-maker for the Hawks in the past two weeks and has them 24-25 after starting 17-25.

“I think it’s important that Trae sends a message to his teammates that he’s working on both ends of the floor and he’s not just playing on the offensive end of the floor,” McMillan said Saturday.

"...you can’t be taking most of the shots and [then] giving up points and baskets. You can’t do that. I like his approach. That’s something we’ve been talking about since last season — is being that leader and being that guy who gets his teammates to work with him and work for him at that point guard position. Working on the defensive end of the floor is the way to do that.”

Young said he believes the effort he gives will lead to a trickle-down effect if he’s giving it his all on the defensive end of the floor. He’s been accepting of McMillan’s challenge to continue to lock in defensively and doesn’t care if how he’s playing defensively lately goes unnoticed.

Buying in defensively was one of the biggest problems plaguing the Hawks to start this season. It hasn’t been a problem for the Hawks lately, even with teams still scoring in bunches. But we can’t say it’s due to a lack of effort right now.

“I think pride is a big factor. We wanted to be better defensively,” John Collins said.

In the last seven games, the Hawks have a defensive rating of 108.0, the sixth-best in the NBA. Having a healthy De’Andre Hunter helps, Onyeka Okongwu has been remarkable during this stretch and so has the bench unit, including defensive liabilities Danilo Gallinari and Lou Williams. While Young playing better helps, everyone has taken a step forward on that end of the court.

One of the most frustrating things about the Hawks this season is it has always been clear they could’ve been the team we’ve seen over these past two weeks. They’ve scored with ease against just about everyone and have the NBA’s second-best offense. The Hawks started last season shaky defensively before figuring it out in the second half of the season. The results show they’re starting to put it together on the defensive end of the floor, and that’s what makes them dangerous.

A significant development for the Hawks is having Okongwu grow into an unmovable force in the center of the paint, no matter his matchup. You can see the makings of a team that is remarkable offensively with Young at the center of it all, 3-point shooters around him, Hunter being the lockdown point-of-attack defender on the perimeter and Okongwu/Capela the necessary rim protectors.If they can continue to put it all together in the next few months, just maybe the Hawks can go on another second-half run.

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Just because that's what they did doesn't make it the right choice. Getting CJ for scraps was a no brainer. Look at what it did for the PELS. Another no brainer just happened with Wood. DAL got him for a late first.

What we don't want to do is trade quality players for other players that don't make us better.

My question is, why are we missing out on these quality players that are being moved for peanuts when it's an easy opportunity to improve the team's assets

[jayu70]

If we're talking trades...Word is Hawks wanted in on CJ McCullom. My question is; why didn't we beat the crap that PELS sent to PORT?

Hawks traded Reddish, got healthy, managed another winning streak midseason and the front office chose to stand pat.

Spoiler:

From January:

Hawks are putting it all together defensively and looking like last season’s team



“I love our defense,” Nate McMillan said after the Hawks’ win over the Celtics on Friday.

What’s become clear over Atlanta’s seven-game winning streak is the team’s defense is noticeably better. Trae Young has been a big part of the team’s defensive renaissance. Young has realized how he needs to be better, needs to give more effort and show his teammates he’s going to be useful defensively. A recent conversation between Young and McMillan illustrated that the star point guard is taking his coach’s words to heart.

McMillan told him that Atlanta’s defense starts with him. There were too many times in the first half of the season where Young would die on screens, not get back in transition and wouldn’t bother contesting a shot or closing out. We’re now seeing Young fight through screens, run back when there’s a leak out and close hard on shooters. That kind of effort can be and has been a difference-maker for the Hawks in the past two weeks and has them 24-25 after starting 17-25.

“I think it’s important that Trae sends a message to his teammates that he’s working on both ends of the floor and he’s not just playing on the offensive end of the floor,” McMillan said Saturday.

"...you can’t be taking most of the shots and [then] giving up points and baskets. You can’t do that. I like his approach. That’s something we’ve been talking about since last season — is being that leader and being that guy who gets his teammates to work with him and work for him at that point guard position. Working on the defensive end of the floor is the way to do that.”

Young said he believes the effort he gives will lead to a trickle-down effect if he’s giving it his all on the defensive end of the floor. He’s been accepting of McMillan’s challenge to continue to lock in defensively and doesn’t care if how he’s playing defensively lately goes unnoticed.

Buying in defensively was one of the biggest problems plaguing the Hawks to start this season. It hasn’t been a problem for the Hawks lately, even with teams still scoring in bunches. But we can’t say it’s due to a lack of effort right now.

“I think pride is a big factor. We wanted to be better defensively,” John Collins said.

In the last seven games, the Hawks have a defensive rating of 108.0, the sixth-best in the NBA. Having a healthy De’Andre Hunter helps, Onyeka Okongwu has been remarkable during this stretch and so has the bench unit, including defensive liabilities Danilo Gallinari and Lou Williams. While Young playing better helps, everyone has taken a step forward on that end of the court.

One of the most frustrating things about the Hawks this season is it has always been clear they could’ve been the team we’ve seen over these past two weeks. They’ve scored with ease against just about everyone and have the NBA’s second-best offense. The Hawks started last season shaky defensively before figuring it out in the second half of the season. The results show they’re starting to put it together on the defensive end of the floor, and that’s what makes them dangerous.

A significant development for the Hawks is having Okongwu grow into an unmovable force in the center of the paint, no matter his matchup. You can see the makings of a team that is remarkable offensively with Young at the center of it all, 3-point shooters around him, Hunter being the lockdown point-of-attack defender on the perimeter and Okongwu/Capela the necessary rim protectors.If they can continue to put it all together in the next few months, just maybe the Hawks can go on another second-half run.

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Just because that's what they did doesn't make it the right choice. Getting CJ for scraps was a no brainer. Look at what it did for the PELS. Another no brainer just happened with Wood. DAL got him for a late first.

What we don't want to do is trade quality players for other players that don't make us better.

My question is, why are we missing out on these quality players that are being moved for peanuts when it's an easy opportunity to improve the team's assets

This is what the Pels sent:

Josh Hart, Tomas Satoransky, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Didi Louzada, Pelicans 2022 first-round pick with protections (Pick becomes Blazers if it lands between No. 5 and 14.), two second-round picks

What would you have offered that you think PTL would have accepted in terms of assets and having to match CJ's $30 mil incoming salary?

[NYG]

Brogdon and 31 for Gallo and 16?

[D21]

...
My question is, why are we missing out on these quality players that are being moved for peanuts when it's an easy opportunity to improve the team's assets

And regarding Wood... we had nothing like these four guys out of DAL rotation:
- Marjanovic 3.5M now and 3.5M next season
- Burke 3.15M now and 3.3M player option next season
- Brown 3M now and 3M next season
- Chriss 1.3M now and 2.2M next season

Among players out of rotation here, there was Jalen Johnson only.
Or it would have require Gallo among the players in the rotation, which means HOU had to sent at least another player

[HMFFL]

What is the most you're willing to give up for Gobert?



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Cap + Gallo + FRP, which I know they probably wouldn't take. In a vacuum it would be higher, but given the availability of Ayton (or potentially Turner) I would prefer to stay younger and find a big more complimentary to Okongwu, as well as retain enough assets to upgrade the wing in the future.

But I am firmly in the camp that Capela's limitations are holding this team back and while Gobert's limitations are similar, the things he does well he does much better that Clint. We would be a better team for it (but unlikely a contender unless Hunter can develop into an All-Star level player).

100% agree with this answer.

I keep seeing Collins, Cap, 16...and I'm going to lose it lol... That's a coup for Utah....I would not be happy

That's what is frustrating me but if that's what was on the table Utah takes it. I don't believe many teams are serious about taking on Gobert's contract, not that John Collins contract is all that great.

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[D21]

Some days ago, I saw a combination of Collins, Cap, 16... not all the players.
I'm almost sure that if Collins, Cap, 16 had been offered, UTA would be OK.
I don't see how they can get better: CHI with Vucevic+other, to play even less defense than UTA is already playing?
I wouldn't be OK because we would have almost possibilities then to fix the wing defense problem which is bigger than improving the C position (by loosing a PF at the same time)

I also think that the media are quick to say that ATL offered something, but that the reality is more than after the first round exit, a lot of teams are calling ATL because we have a lot of player that some teams might want since none is really overpaid except Gallo but even him he's an interesting contract in some cases

[CP War Hawks]

Brogdon and 31 for Gallo and 16?

I like Brogdon, but I'd do Bogi, 2024 and 2025 OKC 2nd rounders.

[D21]

I've checked a bit what IND might want for Turner:
They traded this year LeVert (17.5M this last season and 18.8M next season) who had almost the same contract than Turner (18M and 18M) like this:

Caris LeVert + 2022 second-round pick (via Miami)
Ricky Rubio (expiring) + 2022 first-round pick (lottery protected) + 2022 second-round pick (via Houston) + 2027 second-round pick (via Utah)

As both MIA 2nd and UTA 2nd are almost the same, it's mainly Rubio + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd
The closest thing we could offer now would be Turner for:
Gallo (can be cut for 5M) + 2022 16th pick + a second-round pick
or
Gallo + future lottery protected pick + a second round pick
or
Gallo + Jalen Johnson + a second round pick
But are IND wanting another expiring as they already have only 88M guaranteed? It would mean they want to sign a big FA this summer

If we are sure to extend Turner, I would do that.

Then, July 1st, once Huerter is no more Poison Pill Provision, we would need to convince BKN that are better with Capela+Huerter than with Simmons
or we could use a combo of Capela+Collins in a bigger trade, but it has to be for wing defense

Brogdon and 31 for Gallo and 16?

I like Brogdon, but I'd do Bogi, 2024 and 2025 OKC 2nd rounders.

We were better with Bogi than with Huerter (a bit in regular season, and by 13pts on 100 possessions Vs MIA) so in case Huerter is not included in another trade, I would Huerter+Knox instead of Bogi for Brogdon if IND are OK with that

[saloonyk8]

If we're talking trades...Word is Hawks wanted in on CJ McCullom. My question is; why didn't we beat the crap that PELS sent to PORT?

My guess is it would've been Gallo + Bogi and a protected pick. Need that kind of salary to match up to 30.

Gallo + Huerter wouldn't be possible because Kevin couldn't be traded yet

[saloonyk8]

Some days ago, I saw a combination of Collins, Cap, 16... not all the players.
I'm almost sure that if Collins, Cap, 16 had been offered, UTA would be OK.
I don't see how they can get better: CHI with Vucevic+other, to play even less defense than UTA is already playing?
I wouldn't be OK because we would have almost possibilities then to fix the wing defense problem which is bigger than improving the C position (by loosing a PF at the same time)

I also think that the media are quick to say that ATL offered something, but that the reality is more than after the first round exit, a lot of teams are calling ATL because we have a lot of player that some teams might want since none is really overpaid except Gallo but even him he's an interesting contract in some cases

If Chicago offers Vucevic and Patrick Williams that's a great deal for Utah too.

If Lavine resigns, the bulls look like contenders

[saloonyk8]

JJ I can do but to me it's insane to trade OO

If that's the price of Turner I'm not sure why some people would want Turner over DA or Gobert if we can keep OO Hunter etc.

If OO and Myles Turner play the same position, why would we even want both on the roster?

Because I want to see OO in a hawks uniform make all NBA defense!

Personally I just like rooting for OO, Hunter develop into stars. To me they're the last guys on team with some upside.

I don't want to put all my eggs in the Turner basket

[saloonyk8]

I've checked a bit what IND might want for Turner:
They traded this year LeVert (17.5M this last season and 18.8M next season) who had almost the same contract than Turner (18M and 18M) like this:

Caris LeVert + 2022 second-round pick (via Miami)
Ricky Rubio (expiring) + 2022 first-round pick (lottery protected) + 2022 second-round pick (via Houston) + 2027 second-round pick (via Utah)

As both MIA 2nd and UTA 2nd are almost the same, it's mainly Rubio + 2022 1st + 2022 2nd
The closest thing we could offer now would be Turner for:
Gallo (can be cut for 5M) + 2022 16th pick + a second-round pick
or
Gallo + future lottery protected pick + a second round pick
or
Gallo + Jalen Johnson + a second round pick
But are IND wanting another expiring as they already have only 88M guaranteed? It would mean they want to sign a big FA this summer

If we are sure to extend Turner, I would do that.

Then, July 1st, once Huerter is no more Poison Pill Provision, we would need to convince BKN that are better with Capela+Huerter than with Simmons
or we could use a combo of Capela+Collins in a bigger trade, but it has to be for wing defense

Brogdon and 31 for Gallo and 16?

I like Brogdon, but I'd do Bogi, 2024 and 2025 OKC 2nd rounders.

We were better with Bogi than with Huerter (a bit in regular season, and by 13pts on 100 possessions Vs MIA) so in case Huerter is not included in another trade, I would Huerter+Knox instead of Bogi for Brogdon if IND are OK with that

I think I saw they are looking for 2 FRP.

Maybe they'd take JJ as one. If not giving two FRP for a one year rental imo is very steep price for a non contending team.

[D21]

Personally I just like rooting for OO, Hunter develop into stars. To me they're the last guys on team with some upside.
I don't want to put all my eggs in the Turner basket

Even if we keep Collins, they can play OO/Turner/Collins on C/PF with 32min for each one.
And as Turner can shoot 3s, it's him splitting his time between C and PF, which mean 32min at C for OO

Is there a better trio to cover C and PF with this quickness and athletic level, and 2 out of 3 shooting 3s, for a total of 48M next season?

I think I saw they are looking for 2 FRP.
Maybe they'd take JJ as one. If not giving two FRP for a one year rental imo is very steep price for a non contending team.

It's what they ask, certainly like they started to ask for LeVert, but I doubt that any team would offer 2 FRP for one year left guaranteed