Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[kg01]

^1. YES!

2. I wonder if this means they'll be making a run at Lebron and Paul George themselves...

That's exactly what it means. Jerry West is like 400 years old. He ain't building through the draft.

Honestly, I think it's a miscalculation and I think it will backfire spectacularly.

[Jamaaliver]

Clippers need to dump Gallinari and Rivers. Gallinari and a pick would be a great pick up for the Hawks. Hawks get a pick and they can play Gallinari for one year and then try to flip him for another pick.

Risky...but yeah. I'd strongly consider it for their own 1st rounder.

[Jamaaliver]

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[MaceCase]

The mark of any good conspiracy theory...

The truth is...this isn't a conspiracy theory.

It's a pertinent question we're awaiting the answer. When a new GM is brought on board, it's probably the most important decision he makes during his tenure.

Here's the thing, it is unreasonable to believe that Bud has some kind of permanent job security because no one does anywhere. There is no insight in speculating that Bud may move on some day so one cannot blanket themselves in some cloak saying that they are not crazy to suggest this. Where the laziness, conspiracy or agenda gets pointed out is when that same someone is continuously putting out their own answers and constantly grabbing at straws to point out the immediacy of this event occurring.

This has been about the 8th time I've read "no news on Bud's extension" being offered up as some sort of evidence of his impending departure. I've asked this same question before to the sound of crickets:

"what is even the length of his current deal?"

So again, how does one feel confident in constantly repeating this? If Bud has 2-3 years left on his deal is there a reason to bring up extension talks? If Bud resigns or is fired with time on his deal remaining does that somehow support the theory on his extension? There are so many holes everywhere: "He won't stick around a rebuilding situation but he'll join another rebuilding situation" "he has no connection to the city/ownership/players so he'll join somewhere where he has no connection to either or all of those things either" "Schlenk will want someone that shares his vision over Bud, whomever that may be, I can't really think of anyone in particular" etc. etc. etc.

It's the ultimate hedged bet where you win whenever or however Bud leaves. Which is why I asked for a timetable, do you get to puff your chest if it's 2 years, 5 years, or 20 years? Or can we focus on something more definitive here? Can we even focus on a particular reason instead of spitballing whatever at the wall?

[Jamaaliver]

The mark of any good conspiracy theory...

The truth is...this isn't a conspiracy theory.

It's a pertinent question we're awaiting the answer. When a new GM is brought on board, it's probably the most important decision he makes during his tenure.

Here's the thing, it is unreasonable to believe that Bud has some kind of permanent job security because no one does anywhere.

I don't see a scenario where Budenholzer is fired.

I don't think Budenholzer walks away mid-contract. (Unless the SAS coaching position comes into play and we trade him as a favor.)

I do foresee Budenholzer and Schlenk having reservations about re-upping when the contract is over.

And I think that contract is over in the next 18 months. Either it ends at the end of this season or end of next season.

When that happens...I think it's 60-40 that Budenholzer leaves. Whether it's summer 2018 or summer 2019.

Until then...

[MaceCase]

Speaking of trade ideas, 'cause that's what we were talking about of course, now that DET is going all-in can we trick the Master of Panic into panic-trading for Baze to bolster their win-now roster?

I think Dennis would be more of target for them since Reggie Jackson can't stay healthy. Stan may be sold enough running with his namesake, Kennard, and the resurgent* Bullock at the wing rotation.

Clippers I can't tell if they are going all in on tanking for a higher pick or want to use that pick (plus the Detroit pick) to shed salary to take a stab at free agency. Too many moving parts there as Jordan isn't a lock to opt out.

[kg01]

Why would he stay here? Why would he leave to start over at some rando spot with which he has even less connection.

This is you choosing not to delve deeper in your analysis. I'd challenge you to look into what jobs are, or will be, open. Then consider if it's truly a better option.

Where else is open?

San Antonio.

That seems the most likely bet. Maybe as Head Coach in waiting. Maybe in some front office position where he doesn't have to travel as much.

Beyond that, he seems like a competitive guy who'd consider leading a contender in his second job.

(Unnecessary shot at kg: Wait, Georgia Tech has a basketball program? Was this a women's game? Aren't they still paying Paul Hewitt?)

{Oh my .. what in tha ... breath, kg. He didn't mean it.}

Ok, I'm all right now. Fun fact: Yes we are indeed still paying Hewitt (until next year, I think).

First of all, him back to SA was always a consideration so that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. And no he's not going back as HCIW. That's just a fancy name for 'assistant coach'. You telling us he's leaving to become an assistant?

[Jamaaliver]

First of all, him back to SA was always a consideration so that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. And no he's not going back as HCIW. That's just a fancy name for 'assistant coach'. You telling us he's leaving to become an assistant?

If going back to SAS has always been a consideration...I believe it's even more relevant to our conversation.

HCIW...likely means he gets a cushy scouting job with a fancy title until he's ready to take the reins as head coach.

I honestly see a ton of opportunities available to him with much less stress than leading the Hawks into the lottery for the next few years under the guy who demoted him and the guy who replaced him.

[Spud2nique]

Speaking of trade ideas, 'cause that's what we were talking about of course, now that DET is going all-in can we trick the Master of Panic into panic-trading for Baze to bolster their win-now roster?

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROOOIIITTTTT

BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

panicked like a mafcker. What's the end game here for the Pistons? They have very little outside of Flake and Dumm. I'm down...let's flip Baze for Stan the man. I've been a big advocate of bringing him in..(while some poster pretends they were first ...git off mines) I think Bud can bring Stan to life.

[Spud2nique]

Bud ain't leaving. Agendas agendas agendas..smh..

[kg01]

Speaking of trade ideas, 'cause that's what we were talking about of course, now that DET is going all-in can we trick the Master of Panic into panic-trading for Baze to bolster their win-now roster?

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROOOIIITTTTT

BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

panicked like a mafcker. What's the end game here for the Pistons? They have very little outside of Flake and Dumm. I'm down...let's flip Baze for Stan the man. I've been a big advocate of bringing him in..(while some poster pretends they were first ...git off mines) I think Bud can bring Stan to life.

Was thinking mainly a FRP + a bad deal. They can keep StanTheBust (which is another one I called, btw).

[Spud2nique]

Speaking of trade ideas, 'cause that's what we were talking about of course, now that DET is going all-in can we trick the Master of Panic into panic-trading for Baze to bolster their win-now roster?

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROOOIIITTTTT

BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

panicked like a mafcker. What's the end game here for the Pistons? They have very little outside of Flake and Dumm. I'm down...let's flip Baze for Stan the man. I've been a big advocate of bringing him in..(while some poster pretends they were first ...git off mines) I think Bud can bring Stan to life.

Was thinking mainly a FRP + a bad deal. They can keep StanTheBust (which is another one I called, btw).

Lol...nah...until you start calling the booms with the busts then it can't count. You've predicted everybody to fail lol...comon kg, you gotta predict the guys that are gonna make it too.

Stan has the tools. Who better to bring them out that the future coach (smh) of the San Antonio Spurs..Mike Buden..I can't I just..

[kg01]

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROOOIIITTTTT

BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

panicked like a mafcker. What's the end game here for the Pistons? They have very little outside of Flake and Dumm. I'm down...let's flip Baze for Stan the man. I've been a big advocate of bringing him in..(while some poster pretends they were first ...git off mines) I think Bud can bring Stan to life.

Was thinking mainly a FRP + a bad deal. They can keep StanTheBust (which is another one I called, btw).

Lol...nah...until you start calling the booms with the busts then it can't count. You've predicted everybody to fail lol...comon kg, you gotta predict the guys that are gonna make it too.

Stan has the tools. Who better to bring them out that the future coach (smh) of the San Antonio Spurs..Mike Buden..I can't I just..

Challenge accepted.

[Spud2nique]

Was thinking mainly a FRP + a bad deal. They can keep StanTheBust (which is another one I called, btw).

Lol...nah...until you start calling the booms with the busts then it can't count. You've predicted everybody to fail lol...comon kg, you gotta predict the guys that are gonna make it too.

Stan has the tools. Who better to bring them out that the future coach (smh) of the San Antonio Spurs..Mike Buden..I can't I just..

Challenge accepted.

I'm gonna ride witcha on Lonnie Walker sucks train though..

[jayu70]

Clippers need to dump Gallinari and Rivers. Gallinari and a pick would be a great pick up for the Hawks. Hawks get a pick and they can play Gallinari for one year and then try to flip him for another pick.

So Hawks get a pick to take on Gallo's $21 million then you think we'll get a pick for him next year. He's Mr Glass. We'd be the one's including a pick to dump him next season.
The only way I'd be ok doing that is if we move Baze and Plumlee.

[jayu70]

Speaking of trade ideas, 'cause that's what we were talking about of course, now that DET is going all-in can we trick the Master of Panic into panic-trading for Baze to bolster their win-now roster?

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETROOOIIITTTTT

BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

panicked like a mafcker. What's the end game here for the Pistons? They have very little outside of Flake and Dumm. I'm down...let's flip Baze for Stan the man. I've been a big advocate of bringing him in..(while some poster pretends they were first ...git off mines) I think Bud can bring Stan to life.

Was thinking mainly a FRP + a bad deal. They can keep StanTheBust (which is another one I called, btw).

Any pick from Detroit will be at the earliest 2020 since the just traded their 2018.
But i don't even think they can trade that since 2018 it's still lottery protected unitl 2020 (unlikely but....)

[Spud2nique]

I'm guessing the Pacers, Clippers or Pelican try and trade with us for Baze.

[jayu70]

So we’ll see what happens with Mirotic, who likes the idea of playing again with Rajon Rondo, the former Bull, but doesn’t like the idea of losing his Bird rights. Who does? That would happen if his $12.5 million option is not picked up, and it would cost him future money. So we’ll see if the Pels think he’s worth it.

— If not, the Pels have also been linked to the Hawks' Kent Bazemore and the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson. Hornets forward Nic Batum is too rich for their blood with his mega contract (three years to run at around $77 million). Speaking of the Hornets, they are not shopping Kemba Walker, but definitely are listening to offers, as owner Michael Jordan has stated.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-news-tyreke-evans-grizzlies-celtics-sixers-thunder-clippers/1qvqw08f7ujpw1to5swxc6pie5

[kg01]

So we’ll see what happens with Mirotic, who likes the idea of playing again with Rajon Rondo, the former Bull, but doesn’t like the idea of losing his Bird rights. Who does? That would happen if his $12.5 million option is not picked up, and it would cost him future money. So we’ll see if the Pels think he’s worth it.

— If not, the Pels have also been linked to the Hawks' Kent Bazemore and the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson. Hornets forward Nic Batum is too rich for their blood with his mega contract (three years to run at around $77 million). Speaking of the Hornets, they are not shopping Kemba Walker, but definitely are listening to offers, as owner Michael Jordan has stated.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-news-tyreke-evans-grizzlies-celtics-sixers-thunder-clippers/1qvqw08f7ujpw1to5swxc6pie5

Perhaps folks could be getting their wish on Randle the Handle coming here?

Demps shopped the Pels’ first-round pick and the onerous Omir Asik contract, with $14 million in guaranteed money to go over the next two years. The Pels talked to the Lakers and Hawks in a potential three-way deal, but then thought they had a deal with the Bulls for Nikola Mirotic, who would help pick up some of the scoring slack.

Article later mentions Clarkson but that doesn't seem to make sense for us.

[jayu70]

So we’ll see what happens with Mirotic, who likes the idea of playing again with Rajon Rondo, the former Bull, but doesn’t like the idea of losing his Bird rights. Who does? That would happen if his $12.5 million option is not picked up, and it would cost him future money. So we’ll see if the Pels think he’s worth it.

— If not, the Pels have also been linked to the Hawks' Kent Bazemore and the Lakers’ Jordan Clarkson. Hornets forward Nic Batum is too rich for their blood with his mega contract (three years to run at around $77 million). Speaking of the Hornets, they are not shopping Kemba Walker, but definitely are listening to offers, as owner Michael Jordan has stated.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-news-tyreke-evans-grizzlies-celtics-sixers-thunder-clippers/1qvqw08f7ujpw1to5swxc6pie5

Perhaps folks could be getting their wish on Randle the Handle coming here?

Demps shopped the Pels’ first-round pick and the onerous Omir Asik contract, with $14 million in guaranteed money to go over the next two years. The Pels talked to the Lakers and Hawks in a potential three-way deal, but then thought they had a deal with the Bulls for Nikola Mirotic, who would help pick up some of the scoring slack.

Article later mentions Clarkson but that doesn't seem to make sense for us.

That only makes sense if Baze is gone. Can't have $30+ million tied up in two SGs for the next 2 years.