Hawks Trade Scenarios For Jeff Teague

[jayu70]

My larger point was that we no longer hold much leverage. The product we're peddling isn't much better than what the rest of the market offers.

If we insist on asking for too much...ORL simply laughs and moves on to the next GM on their call list.

The NBA trade market is finite (only 29 buyers/sellers)...but it's also open and transparent. Magic GM can offer Oladipo to TOR & use our trade offer to gain leverage and get a more competitive deal.

Why would they overpay for a player in a down year when there are a plethora of other options?

We wouldn't do it...so why would they?

Like I said previously you set the value higher than what you are willing to accept and negotiate from there. You never want to start on the low end. The trade deadline is on the 18th.
You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

This is why Mannix said teams will simply wait until the 18th to make their offers. Either Atlanta will lower their asking price or these teams will just find another option to fill their needs. If Orlando called to inquire on Teague and Bud/Wes ask for Gordon and Dipo, Orlando just hangs up and starts calling on McCollum, Holiday, Hill, Rubio, Knight, Bledsoe, MCW, Lawson, Russell, Smart, Canaan, Collison, Jennings, Nelson, Galloway, Grant, Burke, Mills and Joseph. Maybe not all are an upgrade over Teague but they likely will not cost as much to acquire making it a net positive deal. It's not like the PG trade market is barren of talent and its either Teague or bust.

And how many trades actually happen before the deadline?
And how many players of that list are actually AVAILABLE? Listing all the NBA PGs tells me nothing.

[bdpecore]

Like I said previously you set the value higher than what you are willing to accept and negotiate from there. You never want to start on the low end. The trade deadline is on the 18th.
You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

This is why Mannix said teams will simply wait until the 18th to make their offers. Either Atlanta will lower their asking price or these teams will just find another option to fill their needs. If Orlando called to inquire on Teague and Bud/Wes ask for Gordon and Dipo, Orlando just hangs up and starts calling on McCollum, Holiday, Hill, Rubio, Knight, Bledsoe, MCW, Lawson, Russell, Smart, Canaan, Collison, Jennings, Nelson, Galloway, Grant, Burke, Mills and Joseph. Maybe not all are an upgrade over Teague but they likely will not cost as much to acquire making it a net positive deal. It's not like the PG trade market is barren of talent and its either Teague or bust.

And how many trades actually happen before the deadline?
And how many players of that list are actually AVAILABLE? Listing all the NBA PGs tells me nothing.

McCollum - Rumors are out there saying he and Lillard might not be a good fit together long term so he should be traded for assets now while his value is high.
Holiday, Hill, MCW, Lawson, Jennings and Burke have all been mentioned in the past week as being available.
Minnesota's coach likes Lavine at PG so he could likely be had for the right offer.
Russell is struggling under Scott and has been said to be available.
Canaan, Smart, Collison, Nelson, Galloway, Grant, Mills, Knight, Bledsoe and Joseph are far from untouchable if you ask any of their teams' fans.

[bdpecore]

And how many trades actually happen before the deadline?

There were 23 deadline trades made last season.

[PandaKidd]

I just think its insane to think that Teague, who is a middle of the road PG , is worth 1 STARTER and 1 GOOD player as a STARTING POINT to negotiations.

Teague is worth Oladipo straight up and even then, I would still think that the Hawks got the better end of that deal if it went through.

[PandaKidd]

for the love of pete stop referring to Teague as "AN ALL STAR" because he made it 1 season when the east was DECIMATED with injuries. He is a CAREER:
12ppg/5AST

He had 1 good season of 16/7. 16/7!!!!!!!!! Lets not act like Teague is this world renowned PG. Hes slightly above average with FLASHES of being a top 10 player. FLASHES. Thats it.

Oladipo is averaging 15/4 in 3 years.

WE NEED A STARTING CALIBER SG. We have Teagues Heir, Teague does nothing to us right now but lessen DS development. Id rather play DS and see what he can do. AND MAYBE TRADE DS next year or the year after.

Getting a caliber of player like Oladipo that we would have under contract for 3-4 years for TEAGUE who is walking in a year? NO BRAINER.

[Jamaaliver]

You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

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[Jamaaliver]

You haven't listed other viable options in Teague's category, salary, age, contract and available in trade etc. - You gave me a list of names that aren't currently available. I was looking for a list of players (PGs) that are rumored to be on the trade block.

Seriously?

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[PandaKidd]

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/jeff-teague-trade/

The 76ers have contacted the Atlanta Hawks about their desire to trade point guard Jeff Teague or backup Dennis Schroder, a league source said. The source said the Sixers have not made a trade offer for either of the two. Mutliple league sources said they don’t expect the Sixers to make a serious push for one of the point guards before the Feb. 18 trade deadline.

[my2bits]

I dont know what is involved in the package, but player for player. I like Teague better than Hill. At least something is stirring. I was getting tired of waiting

Why not trade Teague and Hardaway for Oladipo and CJ Watson? Or a 3 team trade where G. Hill lands in ORL, Teague in IND and Oladipo in the ATL?

Because Orlando wouldn't go for that. I'd absolutely love to get Ola"3 and D"ipo for Teague and THJ but I don't think that's enough for the Magic (just George Hill isn't enough either).


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You have noticed that Oladipo has been benched in favor of Fournier's shooting? Elfrid Payton seems to be entrenched at PG and Herzonja looks like a promising SG. VO3 still has some promise but it probably won't be realized in Orlando. Ben McLemore is in a similar situation. These teams hold on to players as long as they are on cheap contracts but if they don't wow them or clearly show improvement they will move on.

[ATL Boy]

Why not trade Teague and Hardaway for Oladipo and CJ Watson? Or a 3 team trade where G. Hill lands in ORL, Teague in IND and Oladipo in the ATL?

Because Orlando wouldn't go for that. I'd absolutely love to get Ola"3 and D"ipo for Teague and THJ but I don't think that's enough for the Magic (just George Hill isn't enough either).


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You have noticed that Oladipo has been benched in favor of Fournier's shooting? Elfrid Payton seems to be entrenched at PG and Herzonja looks like a promising SG. VO3 still has some promise but it probably won't be realized in Orlando. Ben McLemore is in a similar situation. These teams hold on to players as long as they are on cheap contracts but if they don't wow them or clearly show improvement they will move on.

With reports now coming out that we are indeed discussing Teague for Oladipo, I concede and stand corrected. I'd love to do that trade.


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[my2bits]

Because Orlando wouldn't go for that. I'd absolutely love to get Ola"3 and D"ipo for Teague and THJ but I don't think that's enough for the Magic (just George Hill isn't enough either).


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You have noticed that Oladipo has been benched in favor of Fournier's shooting? Elfrid Payton seems to be entrenched at PG and Herzonja looks like a promising SG. VO3 still has some promise but it probably won't be realized in Orlando. Ben McLemore is in a similar situation. These teams hold on to players as long as they are on cheap contracts but if they don't wow them or clearly show improvement they will move on.

With reports now coming out that we are indeed discussing Teague for Oladipo, I concede and stand corrected. I'd love to do that trade.


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Oh, we have actual reports now? When?

[tiderulz]

Why not trade Teague and Hardaway for Oladipo and CJ Watson? Or a 3 team trade where G. Hill lands in ORL, Teague in IND and Oladipo in the ATL?

Because Orlando wouldn't go for that. I'd absolutely love to get Ola"3 and D"ipo for Teague and THJ but I don't think that's enough for the Magic (just George Hill isn't enough either).


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You have noticed that Oladipo has been benched in favor of Fournier's shooting? Elfrid Payton seems to be entrenched at PG and Herzonja looks like a promising SG. VO3 still has some promise but it probably won't be realized in Orlando. Ben McLemore is in a similar situation. These teams hold on to players as long as they are on cheap contracts but if they don't wow them or clearly show improvement they will move on.

Dipo was benched to get him more under control, give him more reign with the backups. He still played the same amount of minutes. Dont take the benching that he was demoted. This is Skiles playing mind games, the same ones that are backfiring a little on Payton

[atlantabbq99]

"Hawks Receive Interest In Jeff Teague, Dennis Schroder From 76ers"

This is good, Hawks and Sixers make good trading partners.

[PandaKidd]

I also dont believe that a player is 1 dimensional and that his performance on 1 team is indicative of his performance on EVERY team.

See:
Kent Bazemore
Demarre Carroll
Paul Millsap

[Rip2137]

Any trade including Jeff Teague has to involve us getting a starting point back. Either in that trade or in a separate one. We only have one on this team (I know, people think Dennis is ready...he's not.)

[Jamaaliver]

Any trade including Jeff Teague has to involve us getting a starting point back. Either in that trade or in a separate one. We only have one on this team (I know, people think Dennis is ready...he's not.)

Though I do believe it is past time that Dennis was handed the keys to this team, I agree with you...mostly

I wanted a vet PG last year to platoon/mentor Dennis. I want one even more this year. DS has looked unstoppable at times...and out of control at others. But it can't be another PG in his prime vying for the starting role. That would only complicate things and muddy the waters yet again. The Teague-Schroder rotation at PG hasn't been a smooth one this year.

But we definitely need an experienced/disciplined guy to come in when DS is playing erratically. I mentioned Jameer Nelson and or Devin Harris last summer. I'd even be okay with a point forward or combo guard option. Just a vet player with a steady hand...who understands his role.

[Rip2137]

Dennis hasn't looked unstoppable. He takes bad shots. Bad shots going in isn't being unstoppable. Dennis's good games consist of him hitting 3-4 threes (with about 3 of them being bad shots) and ignoring moving the ball on the pick and taking that midrange shot and it falls that game. When those 2 shots don't fall (which is honestly more often than not as he is a streak shooter) then he has TERRIBLE games.

No, we would need a clear starting point guard...Schroder would be upset and you can move him, but you can not depend on a guy who MIGHT be hot that night or else he is completely useless as your starting guard.

This is no different than last year. Only last year it was if his constant drives to the lane were falling or being missed/blocked. He just turned those drives into jumpers.


As much as you keep talking about that 33-2 run being bad for this team, that month and a half of Teague playing basically to the equal of Dennis Schroder is going to be even worse as people now believe that Dennis is a starting point guard and that Teague isn't that far ahead of him as player.

[Jamaaliver]

Dennis hasn't looked unstoppable. He takes bad shots. Bad shots going in isn't being unstoppable.

As much as you keep talking about that 33-2 run being bad for this team, that month and a half of Teague playing basically to the equal of Dennis Schroder is going to be even worse as people now believe that Dennis is a starting point guard and that Teague isn't that far ahead of him as player.

Ummm...I'm just gonna stick with "I respectfully disagree."

NOTE: It was actually Feb - March 2015 that led me to believe the gap had narrowed and DS was ready to start...somewhere.

Teague's decline this year has only added to that line of thinking. But even as far back as Dec 2014, Zach Lowe over at the now defunct Grantland was already pondering if DS could be a major contributor moving forward.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Any trade including Jeff Teague has to involve us getting a starting point back. Either in that trade or in a separate one. We only have one on this team (I know, people think Dennis is ready...he's not.)

If we're rebuilding, I don't think we need a starter necessarily. At this point, just give the reigns to Dennis and let him take his bumps and bruises the rest of the season. We can always sign a quality vet next year(Augustin, Miller, Blake, Sessions, etc..).

every loss at this point is a win for us.

[PandaKidd]

Nah if we move Teague, DS gets his shot. If he doesnt handle the last 35+ games and post season well, hell at least give you a decent look and will perform enough to get you decent trade value next year.

I was against it , but now, UNLEASH DS , see what he can do