Travis Schlenk trying to build Hawks in Warrior’s image (aka 2018 offseason thread)

[tbhawksfan1]

A player chosen this year helps climb out of a rebuild quicker than a deferred pick.

That's the thing. I don't believe Travis in interested in a quick rebuild.

Deferring the pick makes us worse for our own 2019 selection...and gives us an extra asset.

From that perspective...it makes perfect sense.




Even if we don't like it.

We were all praying that talent eval was TS's forte. Is he smarter than everyone that rates last draft highly? I am not against TS. I want a food GM. I want the Hawks to win.

I will propose hypothetical plans to improve the team and I will give my opinions on the actual moves that TS makes. He evels talent, I eval him.

It is OK to question things as they develop, don't need to wait 5 years to have an opinion

[Jamaaliver]

How does not drafting players rebuild a team?

Travis just added 3 first round selections to this squad. The most in a single draft in almost two decades.



He definitely drafted players to rebuild the team. And acquired 3 additional future assets.

You just didn't like the selections.

[tbhawksfan1]

How does not drafting players rebuild a team?

Travis just added 3 first round selections to this squad. The most in a single draft in almost two decades.



He definitely drafted players to rebuild the team. And acquired 3 additional future assets.

You just didn't like the selections.

Not true. nothing against the picks. I even totally hold out on the 3-5 / FRP deal as I can't rate it yet. I don't like deferring out of last draft and I really don't like his moves last summer. Love me some Trae / Heurter / Omari, they Hawks and young. Why not add #34 to the bunch? Hawks need to add young talent asap. Derferring is a good strategy in some cases, but not at the beginning of a rebuild in a loaded draft...unless TS just knows he can get better players with those deferred picks. I don't buy that idea

[dms269]

No one made him trade back and out. OK, you can't move up, but he moved down and out. Strange choice for the beginning of a rebuild. A player chosen this year helps climb out of a rebuild quicker than a deferred pick.

I'm in it for the long haul, but I absolutely would have done everything and anything to load up on last years strong draft instead of deferring to future, weaker draft. I also would flip now assets for more picks. These kind of trades happen all the time. So far far after last off-season, pick #30 was all TS has managed to add with available cap and / or players.

Are we really going to get upset because he traded #34 for two future 2nds? There wasn't a player there the team liked, so he got rid of it for two future 2nds.

What now assets did you want them to move for picks? Collins and/or Prince for a late teens pick? No one else we have/had had the market to bring back other good assets. The trade market last trade deadline dried up, so that isn't on Schlenk. Teams were playing the buyout market so players like Dedmon, Muscala, Illya, and Belinelli didn't have value.

So far Schlenk has added: 2019 DAL 1st, 2019 CHA 2nd, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd (less favorable), 2020 POR 2nd (heavily protected), and 2023 CHA 2nd.

Are we really going to get upset because he traded #34 for two future 2nds? There wasn't a player there the team liked, so he got rid of it for two future 2nds.

It's not the value I don't like, it's the deferred. I guess you think they like the players that will be availible with those future seconds better? I would like the Hawks future young core to take shape asap. How many drafts have to go by before TS can find someone to draft?

What now assets did you want them to move for picks?

Anything would have made me feel better.

Teams were playing the buyout market so players like Dedmon, Muscala, Illya, and Belinelli didn't have value.

This is an indictment on his signing choices. That he brought in all those vets and failed to move any of them in a tank is a fail.

So far Schlenk has added: 2019 DAL 1st, 2019 CHA 2nd, 2019 MIN/LAL 2nd (less favorable), 2020 POR 2nd (heavily protected), and 2023 CHA 2nd.

Much of which was obtained by deferring from the last better draft to future drafts. I thought we needed to bring in young talent now. When does TS plan to compete?

My alternative to what TS has done would have been very different, but not too complicated. Let's start after Collin's draft. TS had plenty of cap and he signed the above bad signings that he was unable to unload. He might still get something for Dedmon, but that will be pure luck as Dedmon easily could have opted out. I would have brought in a better quality FA signed to a longer, more valuable deal for pure trade purposes or I would have foregone a good FA and absorbed a bigger deal than Crawford, obtaining better compensation than #30. Filled out the rest of the roster with scrubs. I would have gotten rid of DH without taking on pure crap and trading down. Easy to streach / buy out him and eat the money without absorbing trash.

I would have flipped anything not nailed down before the deadline Collins aside. I would have made every effort to move up in last draft.

Since here TS has only made one move that I'm not sceptical of and that is the Trae / FRP for Doncic move. This could turn out to be his first good move. Depends on Trae, Doncic and the player that will be the FRP. Every other move, I'm very sceptical of

Yes I prefer to defer draft picks if there is no one there that he likes. If you do not see anyone there as a key part of our future, you trade it in order to pick up two future assets.

NBA GMs are not future tellers. If that was the case it would make their job a lot easier. Schlenk could not have known that teams would be waiting on the buyout market.

I really think you are underestimating Dwight's deal. You stretch him means you are paying him around 9.4 million for a total of 5 years. With Plumlee we take a 3 million dollar salary increase for the first 3, but we get out of the rest of the deal 2 years before Dwight's would have ended. I seriously doubt he would have accepted a discounted buyout when he still had almost 50 million left on his contract. You can't force teams to accept deals that are bad for them. Dwight's value is what we got, taking on a smaller but longer bad contract and moving down in the 2nd. Waiving him, stretching him, or buying him out would have set us back for years to come with being screwed in salary.

I don't think Schlenk is doing deals when there are better deals on the table. In order to move up in the draft there had to be a team that is willing to move down. We decided not to move up to the MIL pick because he felt confident he could get either Walker or Huerter.

I understand not liking all of the deals he can make, but fans also need to understand that the NBA is not 2k.

[tbhawksfan1]

Dude Hawks have been NBA bottom feeders the whole history. IF TS is the guy to change that, well Halaluha.. or whatever. I'm absolutely not a blind faith kind of guy and for you to say that the nothing that TS did with last off-season and deadline wasn't his fault is lame.

[Jamaaliver]

Not true. nothing against the picks. I even totally hold out on the 3-5 / FRP deal as I can't rate it yet. I don't like deferring out of last draft and I really don't like his moves last summer. Love me some Trae / Heurter / Omari, they Hawks and young. Why not add #34 to the bunch? Hawks need to add young talent asap. Derferring is a good strategy in some cases, but not at the beginning of a rebuild in a loaded draft...unless TS just knows he can get better players with those deferred picks. I don't buy that idea

Because draft picks are more easily tradable than young, flawed, unproven players.

He's added 5 young players to the squad in the past 13 months. Plus more in free agency via 2-way contracts.

He likely acknowledges there simply aren't enough slots/minutes to go around right now.

[jayu70]

Ideally, we wanted to get something for the vets at the deadline but as been stated over and over, the only offers available were 2nd round picks AND long term money which would have reduced our capspace by half. Rather keep the cap sheet clear and not pay $9 mil for a 2nd rounder.
The team is already littered with young players, 2 last year, 3 this year - you do a disservice when you have too many young players that can't see enough time to develop them. It's easier to trade a 2nd than a player on the back end of your roster not playing.
Vets are still important in a rebuilding effort - on and off court.

[tbhawksfan1]

Ideally, we wanted to get something for the vets at the deadline but as been stated over and over, the only offers available were 2nd round picks AND long term money which would have reduced our capspace by half. Rather keep the cap sheet clear and not pay $9 mil for a 2nd rounder.
The team is already littered with young players, 2 last year, 3 this year - you do a disservice when you have too many young players that can't see enough time to develop them. It's easier to trade a 2nd than a player on the back end of your roster not playing.
Vets are still important in a rebuilding effort - on and off court.

Hawks good, young players: Trae, Heurter, Collins. Prince kinda young. Hawks are still one of the least talented teams in the league. They're getting completely blown out in SL. Why? Other teams have better young talent.

Hawks carried about 7 players last season that had no place in NBA. How many this season?

Here's the depth

Schro / Prince / Collins / Trae / Heurter / Dedmon / Moose / Plumlee / Baze / Bemebry / Spellman / Dorsey

Which of these players will be here in 5 years? How good will they be?

Yeah, we brought in 3 draftees, but we are still severely lacking talent. Anything and everything that can be done to improve the FUTURE of the team needs to be done. Players need 3-4 years to reach their prime. Picks deferred will need 4-5 years.

If I open a 5 year window for TS to rate his progress. After 5 years he needs to have finished the rebuild and the Hawks need to be ascending towards contender status. We're over half way through TS's second off-season. Nearly two-fifths of the way through TS's 5 year window.

How many years? How good will the result be? The moves that will determine that are about 30% done and I'm not seeing a timeline that brings the Hawks back to the playoffs for at least two more years of serious losing. At that point we're nearing 4 years.

A total rebuild takes many years and it better not be screwed. BK's rebuild was a ten year process that culminated in one good season. Not great, but good. Hope TS has a much better plan.

Did TS take BPA? Concensus says no. Seems like everytime TS lets on to his plan... he doesn't really follow through; unless he's just smarter than everyone else. If he isn't, this reaching, deferring will just accumulate a group of not BPA.

[tbhawksfan1]

I really don't see TS being the cleverest guy in the room very often. There are some very clever GMs out there. Hope I'm wrong.

[dms269]

Ideally, we wanted to get something for the vets at the deadline but as been stated over and over, the only offers available were 2nd round picks AND long term money which would have reduced our capspace by half. Rather keep the cap sheet clear and not pay $9 mil for a 2nd rounder.
The team is already littered with young players, 2 last year, 3 this year - you do a disservice when you have too many young players that can't see enough time to develop them. It's easier to trade a 2nd than a player on the back end of your roster not playing.
Vets are still important in a rebuilding effort - on and off court.

Hawks good, young players: Trae, Heurter, Collins. Prince kinda young. Hawks are still one of the least talented teams in the league. They're getting completely blown out in SL. Why? Other teams have better young talent.

Hawks carried about 7 players last season that had no place in NBA. How many this season?

Here's the depth

Schro / Prince / Collins / Trae / Heurter / Dedmon / Moose / Plumlee / Baze / Bemebry / Spellman / Dorsey

Which of these players will be here in 5 years? How good will they be?

Yeah, we brought in 3 draftees, but we are still severely lacking talent. Anything and everything that can be done to improve the FUTURE of the team needs to be done. Players need 3-4 years to reach their prime. Picks deferred will need 4-5 years.

If I open a 5 year window for TS to rate his progress. After 5 years he needs to have finished the rebuild and the Hawks need to be ascending towards contender status. We're over half way through TS's second off-season. Nearly two-fifths of the way through TS's 5 year window.

How many years? How good will the result be? The moves that will determine that are about 30% done and I'm not seeing a timeline that brings the Hawks back to the playoffs for at least two more years of serious losing. At that point we're nearing 4 years.

A total rebuild takes many years and it better not be screwed. BK's rebuild was a ten year process that culminated in one good season. Not great, but good. Hope TS has a much better plan.

Did TS take BPA? Concensus says no. Seems like everytime TS lets on to his plan... he doesn't really follow through; unless he's just smarter than everyone else. If he isn't, this reaching, deferring will just accumulate a group of not BPA.

We are bad in SL because we have a 19 year old out there with grown men. You know where Trae was 16 months ago? High School. Our summer league team is comprised of Collins, Trae, and Spellman. That is basically it. Kaba and Dorsey were both 2nd round picks and the rest are fillers. But it is also summer league. You don't get extra cap space if you win games. You don't get an extra pick. It is basically a glorified scrimmage.

I honestly don't see whoever we would have taken at 34 and being a key piece to our future. Maybe you do. I'd rather take a player who fits a hole we have down the line than to take another 2nd rounder who is buried on the team and may not fit.

I am willing to wait it out. I don't see a move that Schlenk has made so far that is a negative one. The Luka/Trae deal has been praised by most analysts and really has only taken a hit from fans. I mean a team of Young/Barrett/Prince/Hachimura/Collins is nicer, at least to me, than a team of Luka/Barrett/Prince/Collins/Spellman.

[graymule]

Well, darn! We didn't fix everything this off season so that we could win it all really soon! Only seven NBA players on our current roster, including the three draft picks? Really? Hawks will have enough problems training three teen agers to become good, serviceable NBA players.

Remember, out there somewhere, there looms a veteran NBA player some team wants to give us. They are getting desperate to get all that huge $$$$ payroll down so that they have cap relief.

Then we have the problem. Who do we keep and who do we release, give away, or otherwise do away with? Remember. We do have a G league team and two future Hawks can play there butt the others aren't really ours. Last season, our team was good.

[Jamaaliver]

Here's the depthSchro / Prince / Collins / Trae / Heurter / Dedmon / Moose / Plumlee / Baze / Bemebry / Spellman / Dorsey

Which of these players will be here in 5 years? How good will they be?

Of that group, I only see Young Trae and J Collins being around 5 seasons from now. The rest will be traded or allowed to leave in Free Agency.

(Even Prince, who will be approaching 30 by that point.)

[jayu70]

:banghead:

Well, darn! We didn't fix everything this off season so that we could win it all really soon! Only seven NBA players on our current roster, including the three draft picks? Really? Hawks will have enough problems training three teen agers to become good, serviceable NBA players.

Remember, out there somewhere, there looms a veteran NBA player some team wants to give us. They are getting desperate to get all that huge $$$$ payroll down so that they have cap relief.

Then we have the problem. Who do we keep and who do we release, give away, or otherwise do away with? Remember. We do have a G league team and two future Hawks can play there butt the others aren't really ours. Last season, our team was good.

I can't like this enough times.

[Jamaaliver]

Time to find out if Hawks’ gamble on Cleveland pays off

The Hawks took a gamble on Antonius Cleveland.

Now it’s time to see if it paid off.

Cleveland signed two 10-day contracts with the Hawks late last season even though he could not play while recovering from surgery on his left ankle. Following the expiration of the second 10-day contract, the Hawks signed the guard to a non-guaranteed multi-year contract. At the time, the Hawks thought of Cleveland as a long-term project with much work to do this summer.

The fruits of that labor is about to be made known.

Cleveland declared himself 100 percent healthy

Cleveland has appeared in all five summer league games between the two events. He has totaled 37 points, on 17 of 38 shooting, and 19 rebounds. He had eight points and five rebounds in a loss to the Knicks in the opening game of the Las Vegas Summer League that featured several strong drives to the basket. That’s something the Hawks want to see.

At 6-foot-6, the Hawks threw another challenge at Cleveland in Las Vegas. Against the Knicks he played extended minutes at power forward. The Hawks have shown a desire to play small at times, pushing the pace on the opposition and creating space and opportunity for first-round draft pick Trae Young at point guard.

“I played a little 4 in college just because of my height and knowing that I can defend the 4,” Cleveland said. “It wasn’t a shock to me but anything to keep me on the floor, I will do. If I have to play a little 4, I just have to get ready to guard those bigger, stronger power forwards. I’m cool with anything.”

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[Jamaaliver]

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Warriors 'secret weapon' trainer Chelsea Lane is leaving for the Atlanta Hawks



In a now-rare turn of the tables, the Warriors are actually losing a key player to their success.

Head of physical performance and sports medicine Chelsea Lane – the first woman to oversee an NBA training staff – is leaving for the Atlanta Hawks, per The Athletic’s Marcus Thompson. In Atlanta, she’ll assume the position of executive director of athletic performance and sports medicine.

Lane is highly regarded for her handling of Steph Curry’s ankle injuries and MCL sprains, and her ability to keep veteran players Andre Iguodala, David West, and Shaun Livingston on court.

“She’s great in both the physical and the mental, which is something that’s underrated,” Steph Curry said in a previous Athletic story. “There are ways you can approach injuries and the rehab process that keeps you engaged as opposed to it being work. There’s always a positive to learning something about your body and how it functions. For me, at least, that’s something I appreciate the most. You’re going to ice. You’re going to (get stimulation treatment). You’re going to do this workout, do that workout, get this treatment. There is more to it than that. She’s big picture.”

Lane is the second Warriors employee to leave for the Hawks; former assistant GM Travis Schlenk left to become the Hawks’ general manager and head of basketball operations last year.

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Spoiler:

Warriors suffer painful free-agent loss: Trainer Chelsea Lane leaving



The Warriors probably suffered their most painful free-agency loss Tuesday with the departure of head performance therapist Chelsea Lane.

The Warriors confirmed Lane, who has been lauded for her work by stars such as Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, is leaving to run the Atlanta Hawks’ training staff.

First reported by The Athletic, Lane’s departure after two seasons overseeing the Warriors training program means Golden State will have their fifth trainer since the 2010-11 season.

Lane, the only woman running an NBA training staff, was hired away from the Warriors by Hawks general manager Travis Schlenk, who was a Warriors assistant GM when Lane joined the team in 2015.

One of the biggest impacts of Lane leaving could be on newest Warriors star DeMarcus Cousins, where her expertise was expected to play a big role in his recovery from a torn Achilles tendon.

Curry said Lane was “amazingly instrumental” in getting him back onto the court this season.

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Hawks make another hire from Warriors

The Hawks have – again – taken a key piece from the Warriors.

Chelsea Lane is taking a position of Executive Director of Athletic Performance and Sports Medicine with the Hawks, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Lane is the only women to oversee an NBA team’s training staff.

Lane has been noted with her work with Warriors’ star Steph Curry, who has dealt with ankle and knee injuries in his career.

myAJC

[Jamaaliver]

This has the potential to be a fantastic signing:

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During his tenure as general manager of the Warriors from 2009 through 2012, Riley drafted Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and traded for Andrew Bogut.

Curry was Riley’s first draft choice as GM, selecting the Davidson guard with the seventh overall pick of the 2009 NBA draft.

In 2011, Riley chose Thompson out of Washington State with the 11th overall draft choice.

In 2012, Riley acquired Bogut and Stephen Jackson from the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for Kwame Brown, Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh.

In April 2012, new Warriors owner Joe Jacob promoted Bob Myers to GM, and demoted Riley to director of scouting.

After Curry won the NBA Most Valuable Player award in 2015, didn’t forget the man who brought him to the Warriors, Riley.

Curry’s daughter, Riley, is named in honor of the Warriors’ former GM.

[birdlives_ma]

Guys, I’ve been thinking... is CLP our mark jackson? A really under analyzed part of the warriors dynasty is the fact that mark Jackson installed their defensive system. What do you guys think, do we still have pierce by the time we’re contending?


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[kg01]

Guys, I’ve been thinking... is CLP our mark jackson? A really under analyzed part of the warriors dynasty is the fact that mark Jackson installed their defensive system. What do you guys think, do we still have pierce by the time we’re contending?

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Hard to say, at this point, what his future will be.

One thing that gets lost in the Mark Jackson stuff is the reason he was let go apparently wasn't primarily related to on-court stuff. To me, it seems like if he (Jackson) wasn't such a turd the whole 'Kerr' phenomenon wouldn't have ever happened.

[Jamaaliver]

Guys, I’ve been thinking... is CLP our mark jackson? A really under analyzed part of the warriors dynasty is the fact that mark Jackson installed their defensive system. What do you guys think, do we still have pierce by the time we’re contending?

A distinct possibility.

Lloyd might just be the Elementary School Principal who helps develop you in the formative years.

With someone else coming along in HS and ushering you off into manhood.

(That analogy got away from me...but I was too committed to give up on it.)