Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[Jamaaliver]

I've seen worse...

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Hawks receive: Pascal Siakam, Otto Porter Jr., 2023 No. 13 pick

Raptors receive: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Jalen Johnson, 2023 No. 15 pick, 2024 first-round pick

[jayu70]

I've seen worse...

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Hawks receive: Pascal Siakam, Otto Porter Jr., 2023 No. 13 pick

Raptors receive: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Jalen Johnson, 2023 No. 15 pick, 2024 first-round pick

1. He's an UFA
2. Do we really want to be forced to pay Siakam $43 million.

[Jamaaliver]

1. He's an UFA

2. Do we really want to be forced to pay Siakam $43 million.

1. After next season he hits unrestricted free agency, right? Meaning we'd get a full year of him coming off a career year heading into a contract year?

2. Is it worse to pay Siakam $43 million per season for All Star caliber production or pay Collins + Hunter $45 million for continually underwhelming performances?



At this point, I'd seriously consider just keeping the #13 pick and writing this exchange off as a salary dump should Siakam walk for nothing next summer...

Hawks would still have Trae, Dejounte, OO, Capela, Saddiq, Bogdan, AJ and whoever we pick at #13.
That's not a bad worst case scenario.

[CP War Hawks]

1. He's an UFA

2. Do we really want to be forced to pay Siakam $43 million.

1. After next season he hits unrestricted free agency, right? Meaning we'd get a full year of him coming off a career year heading into a contract year?

2. Is it worse to pay Siakam $43 million per season for All Star caliber production or pay Collins + Hunter $45 million for continually underwhelming performances?



At this point, I'd seriously consider just keeping the #13 pick and writing this exchange off as a salary dump should Siakam walk for nothing next summer...

Hawks would still have Trae, Dejounte, OO, Capela, Saddiq, Bogdan, AJ and whoever we pick at #13.
That's not a bad worst case scenario.

I'd personally offer up DJM + Collins for Siakim. Not too thrilled paying a 30 year old that much money to reup. I loved Milsap but it was pointlesss signing him after the age of 30. He had what another solid season and it went downhill not long after. Hawks can't afford to be stuck in cap hell with a big anchor.

Side note: I am crazy to think of trying to acquire Zion. He obviously hates being in the NO. Question is he that passive aggressive to ruin his personal life and career just to force himself out of there.

[dms269]

It will be a lot of money for a 30 year old who is just an okay rebounder snd an average, st best, defender.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

I'm definitely not okay paying for Siakam like he's a #1, when he's a low end #2. Both assets and salary wise.

[jayu70]

1. He's an UFA

2. Do we really want to be forced to pay Siakam $43 million.

1. After next season he hits unrestricted free agency, right? Meaning we'd get a full year of him coming off a career year heading into a contract year?

2. Is it worse to pay Siakam $43 million per season for All Star caliber production or pay Collins + Hunter $45 million for continually underwhelming performances?



At this point, I'd seriously consider just keeping the #13 pick and writing this exchange off as a salary dump should Siakam walk for nothing next summer...

Hawks would still have Trae, Dejounte, OO, Capela, Saddiq, Bogdan, AJ and whoever we pick at #13.
That's not a bad worst case scenario.

Why do you assume he will have a career year? He needs the ball to be effective. Trae and DJ eat up a lot of that. He's a 32% 3pt shooter this past year, 3.percentage points better than JC who really struggled. I get he was an allstar but his stats aren't impressive:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=siakapa01&player_id2=murrade01

[tbhawksfan1]

Hawks really need to wait for the trade deadline to make any big move. Hawks have been so poorly coached that there is a big value deficiency. Let Snyder work his magic and things will look much better for trades.

I don't want to trade for Siakam. High volume, low % big whose best asset is assists. Going to be very expensive in trade assets and money....not the way to go

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hawks really need to wait for the trade deadline to make any big move. Hawks have been so poorly coached that there is a big value deficiency. Let Snyder work his magic and things will look much better for trades.

I don't want to trade for Siakam. High volume, low % big whose best asset is assists. Going to be very expensive in trade assets and money....not the way to go

We can't afford to really wait until the deadline to make a move. If Snyder is the genius we hope he is(which I beleive he is a damn good coach), then we have to trust that he's been evaluating this roster in the last 20-30 games and looking at prior film to know what he knows will fit vs what is unnecessary to funnel resources and development on.

It's true that the Hawks have been poorly coached, but value is value. Other GM's can tell who's trying to get their value inflated and who's worth more than what raw stats suggest.

Snyder needs to start working with pieces he deems necessary for his system to work so the team can start building chemistry within it and focusing on developing their skills within the system. They don't need the distraction of who's getting traded at the deadline or concerned about having to fit their game with a new player mid-season, unless said player is a huge difference maker or a piece that Snyder requires all of a sudden to strengthen a weakness.

A big part of our problems as a whole, is roster construction and most of that is an overlap in talent. We have too many guys that do the same thing to varying degrees. I'm sure Quin sees this and is telling Landry & co what's up. I agree Siakam isn't who I would be targeting, but fortunately, he's the only name that has been REPORTED as a target due to him likely being very obtainable now. Media will definitely run with that. Whether or not we act on that is a different story. I for one hope we don't.

[Jamaaliver]

Snyder needs to start working with pieces he deems necessary for his system to work so the team can start building chemistry within it and focusing on developing their skills within the system.

A big part of our problems as a whole, is roster construction and most of that is an overlap in talent. We have too many guys that do the same thing to varying degrees.

Agreed, bruv. We're long overdue for a consolidation trade. I'm a bit surprised there's any reluctance to do so considering the diminishing results for the team and the players on the roster.

NOTE: I absolutely believe Quin, with a full training camp and his own coaching staff, can get each player and the roster to a better, more competitive place. I don't this group though truly contends again without some serious tweaks.

[Jamaaliver]

Why do you assume he will have a career year? He needs the ball to be effective. Trae and DJ eat up a lot of that. He's a 32% 3pt shooter this past year, 3.percentage points better than JC who really struggled. I get he was an allstar but his stats aren't impressive:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=siakapa01&player_id2=murrade01

Because he's done it for multiple years. Because he's in his prime. Because he's played deep into the playoffs and been a key cog on a title team. Because he can create his own shot, hit from deep, defend multiple positions and play-make for others.

His skill set is literally everything we're looking for in a #2 option.

[Jamaaliver]

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[dms269]

defend multiple positions

Just because he can, doesn't mean he should. He is worse defensively than JC.

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He was worse this season than his previous one.

He is worth significantly less than the pundits and Raptors fans want to believe. He is an expiring contract who is seeking a massive deal. He is about to be 30. The Raptors sure as hell don't want him for 43+ million a year.

[Geaux_Hawks]

NOTE: I absolutely believe Quin, with a full training camp and his own coaching staff, can get each player and the roster to a better, more competitive place. I don't this group though truly contends again without some serious tweaks.

Huge emphasis here. Quin could very well make the current product look better, but looking better probably only improves our place in the standing to maybe middle of the pack playoff team vs play-in. There's not enough here to assume this squad only needed good coaching to be a relevant contender.

It took Trae Young playing above his head and a phenomenal Kevin Huerter game 7, on top of a Ben Simmons debacle to make it to the ECF. The very next year, Miami gave the blueprint to stopping us, and honestly, we never looked good at all that season either.

Reminds me of the 60 win team. Sure we won 60 games, but it took a healthy starting 5 maxing out every game to get there. We saw what that team looked like when the starting 5 wasn't clicking on all cylinders. The very next year, that team came back down to Earth, and got swept again by the same Cleveland Cavaliers. Bud was

[tbhawksfan1]

No one is saying that the team is perfect as is. The timing is terrible for a trade though. Even here on RGM the Hawks trades are atrocious. The last two seasons have devalued almost everyone. Nick Nurse's Raps are the opposite, a very well coached team pushing up the value of their players

Nate took a less talented team to the ECF. I'm willing to let Snyder do his thing and raise the value of our players.

Trading low for high is never a good idea. I want to build the team with it's youth managed as an asset to build a long term contender, not trade the farm for an older win now piece.

Siakam is the perfect example of that. He's years past the age of our core, he's high volume numbers and he hasn't raised TOR very much even though that is a good team. His numbers are inflated by big minutes and huge volume

The worst thing is that word is it would take a Murray, CC, young guy and pick package to get him. EASY PASS

[jayu70]

No one is saying that the team is perfect as is. The timing is terrible for a trade though. Even here on RGM the Hawks trades are atrocious. The last two seasons have devalued almost everyone. Nick Nurse's Raps are the opposite, a very well coached team pushing up the value of their players

Nate took a less talented team to the ECF. I'm willing to let Snyder do his thing and raise the value of our players.

Trading low for high is never a good idea. I want to build the team with it's youth managed as an asset to build a long term contender, not trade the farm for an older win now piece.

Siakam is the perfect example of that. He's years past the age of our core, he's high volume numbers and he hasn't raised TOR very much even though that is a good team. His numbers are inflated by big minutes and huge volume

The worst thing is that word is it would take a Murray, CC, young guy and pick package to get him. EASY PASS

Well said.

[Jamaaliver]

I like Siakam but I'm not trying to die on this particular hill today.

So if the rumors are true and QS and Landry are pursuing him, will you guys just riot the entire season because you don't want him?

[jayu70]

Who is the best player the Hawks can get for an on-court UPGRADE by combining #15 plus one of our vets: CC, JC, Dre.or Bogi. Not salary dumps, not picks.....an established player.

If we want to really get more playing options and a less foreseeable offense? easily Capela
But I would try first to trade him without the 15th pick, and keep it for another trade if possible

I get all that, I'm asking, who is the best player(s) that upgrades the team the Hawks can get for any of these trades if the elected to trade #15 plus a vet!

#15 plus CC = ?

#15 plus JC = ?

#15 plus Dre = ?

#15 plus Bogi = ?

Revisiting.....
Since I get the feeling we'll be cost cutting. How high can we move up in the draft for....

#15 plus CC = ?

#15 plus JC = ?

#15 plus Dre = ?

#15 plus Bogi = ?

[jayu70]

Why do you assume he will have a career year? He needs the ball to be effective. Trae and DJ eat up a lot of that. He's a 32% 3pt shooter this past year, 3.percentage points better than JC who really struggled. I get he was an allstar but his stats aren't impressive:

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=siakapa01&player_id2=murrade01

Because he's done it for multiple years. Because he's in his prime. Because he's played deep into the playoffs and been a key cog on a title team. Because he can create his own shot, hit from deep, defend multiple positions and play-make for others.

His skill set is literally everything we're looking for in a #2 option.

I understand consolidating, just not giving up assets for a player on a 1 year deal that will then command a max deal and he's also 2nd tier (screams back to middling overpaid team) . With all this accolades he hasn't raised the Toronto ceiling as their best player.

[jayu70]

1. He's an UFA

2. Do we really want to be forced to pay Siakam $43 million.

1. After next season he hits unrestricted free agency, right? Meaning we'd get a full year of him coming off a career year heading into a contract year?

2. Is it worse to pay Siakam $43 million per season for All Star caliber production or pay Collins + Hunter $45 million for continually underwhelming performances?



At this point, I'd seriously consider just keeping the #13 pick and writing this exchange off as a salary dump should Siakam walk for nothing next summer...

Hawks would still have Trae, Dejounte, OO, Capela, Saddiq, Bogdan, AJ and whoever we pick at #13.
That's not a bad worst case scenario.

Then I'd just use #15 plus one of the 'vets' to move up in the draft in lieu of adding exra stuff for Siakam.