Kyrie Irving would rather play somewhere else

[Rip2137]

Kyrie isn't elite talent. For the money he makes and what you would have to give up for a injury prone, no defense playing, consistent loser as the alpha dog on his team.


I would trade for him to flip him as he has way more value than anyone on this team, but no way in the hell am I paying a guy that has proven to not be able to lead a winning team 20 million bucks.

Blame the coaching all you want, the problem has always been he is ultra important on offense so he never had to pay the price for his horrid defense. Giving him another team does nothing to stop that.

[ATLHawksfan21]

You know, id pass on Westbrook too, he just doesnt fit guys.

Westbrook and Lebron are 2 of the top 3-5 players in this league and their presence automatically turns any team in to a playoff contender. They both can contribute on both ends of the floor while Irving is a massive liability on the defensive end.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Its insane to think that Hawks fans who bitch and moan all year about having mediocre talent, would completely turn against picking up an ELITE talent.

I dont care HOW he fits, you make it work.

For me it's not even all about fit, even though you could argue that you're going to need to put a lot of different pieces around KI. What's the point of acquiring a certain talent when you're going to need a perfect team around said player just to have any real success.

Macecase gave you a perfect example of what KI needs around him, and it's hard trying to acquire those kind of pieces. Utah is honestly about what you want to surround him with.

We're talking about a guy who is average on his best days as a defender that's also had a few injuries. Not to mention he is selfish at times, and doesn't really makes others around him better. Not many teams are well rounded enough to last without their best player, but at least with guys like Lebron and Westbrook, we know they're going to be on the court more often than not making others better or just simply taking over a game themselves. I just don't see that with KI.

I really wouldn't consider KI a top 5 PG right now either. Outside of the obvious top 3, I would shuffle around between Wall, Lilliard, Conley, & Lowery.

[Jamaaliver]

I really wouldn't consider KI a top 5 PG right now either. Outside of the obvious top 3, I would shuffle around between Wall, Lilliard, Conley, & Lowery.

Fair enough.

But it's worth noting that every player we've compared him against is an older player already in his prime.

Judging KI in his formative years against Conley, Lowry and Westbrook at their peak seems...a bit unfair.

Not too many years ago, Lowry was considered a bust by many. If KI can give you 20 & 5 in the worst of conditions...imagine what he can give you at age 26, in his physical prime, in the ideal environment.

Also: If our coaching staff can teach Tim Hardaway Jr to play passable team defense at age 23....why couldn't they do the same for Kyrie?

[Jamaaliver]

I really wouldn't consider KI a top 5 PG right now either. Outside of the obvious top 3, I would shuffle around between Wall, Lilliard, Conley, & Lowery.

Not too many years ago, Lowry was considered a bust by many...even Lillard, at a similar age, was seen as expendable as well:

Seeing as Lillard, a PG btw, who quite frankly.......I don't see the hype about, talking Ty Lawson at best and there was no one else in that range that will be much better in the next 4 years.

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I'm with Mace on this one 100%.

BTW, Lilliard is massively overrated and I don't see the hype. He's an old rookie who looks to me like a much worse version of Westbrook. I see him as a slightly above-average player.

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KI is much more accomplished at this age than either of those guys who we now view among the top 5 PGs in the game. But somehow, despite all the accolades he's received at age 23...we believe KI is a finished product who can never accomplish what those other players have in their prime?

[Geaux_Hawks]

Just like Curry, Lilliard came in the league as an older rookie. Even when you come in as an older than normal rookie, you still need time to adjust to the league. Unfortunately, we have no one else as young as KY that plays PG to compare him to.

If you notice, Dame has provided more WS in his first 4 years than KI has in 5 years. So obviously his impact is much more relevant. Even after losing LMA, Dame just simply produced more. Lowery I could really care less about simply because I would rather have the other guys, but I know some people say they Lowery as a top 5 guy.

[PandaKidd]

Kyrie Irving would be the best player on the team, TODAY, if the Cavs shipped him here for free.

He would be the best player by a mile.

Im sure well be fine with Hinrich and DS though, you know, cause they fit the system.

[atlantabbq99]

That is the disconnect, casual fans see Kyrie as an elite talent, while others like myself just see him as just talented.

1st tier: Curry, Westbrook, Chris Paul

2nd tier: Lillard, Teague, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Jackson, Parker, Rondo, Bledsoe, Isiah

3rd tier: Kemba, Rose, Deron, Lawson, Conley, Dragic, Rubio, Holiday

4th tier: Everybody else

It doesn't really matter about what individual ranking is, because the gap between each player in each tier is very small. Some might think that Teague is better than Kyrie or Kyrie is better than Teague, but for me the gap is very small, and it's not worth overpaying a 2nd tier talent because you will just end up like Houston with Harden and his big contract.

[PandaKidd]

Irving hasnt had a coach ......EVER. like, you know, EVER.

Irving has never had a stable environment, EVER.

Irving has always been asked to be the #1 guy and hes done that, easily.

Its prob not worth arguing because this would never happen anyway, the hawks lack the balls for such a move and the Cavaliers could get a lot more from him then 2 expirings.

[PandaKidd]

That is the disconnect, casual fans see Kyrie as an elite talent, while others like myself just see him as just talented.

1st tier: Curry, Westbrook, Chris Paul

2nd tier: Lillard, Teague, Lowry, Irving, Wall, Jackson, Parker, Rondo, Bledsoe, Isiah

3rd tier: Kemba, Rose, Deron, Lawson, Conley, Dragic, Rubio, Holiday

4th tier: Everybody else

It doesn't really matter about what individual ranking is, because the gap between each player in each tier is very small. Some might think that Teague is better than Kyrie or Kyrie is better than Teague, but for me the gap is very small, and it's not worth overpaying a 2nd tier talent because you will just end up like Houston with Harden and his big contract.

Throw some more shade bro. Casual Fan? OH MY BAD, I forgot if anyone disagrees with you they must just not watch the games amiright



TEAGUE? ARE YOU **** KIDDING ME? YOU PUT TEAGUE IN THE TIER 2 ????? Irving/Lillard/Wall/Lowry are 10 times the player Teague is.

[PandaKidd]

QUOTE OF THE YEAR FELLAS

Some might think that Teague is better than Kyrie or Kyrie is better than Teague, but for me the gap is very small

Jeff Teague isnt that much different than KYRIE IRVING aka UNCLE DREW.

[PandaKidd]

For the money hes making hes not ELITE?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/kyrie-irving/

Hes averaging 20pts or more per game, he averages 5-6 AST, hes having a down year in 3pt % but he shot 40% from 3 last year. Dont discount hes coming off MAJOR surgery and he missed most of this year.

Hes tied for being a top 20 PAID player and hes easily a top 20 player. with the cap exploding, hes on a very good contract.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Kyrie Irving would be the best player on the team, TODAY, if the Cavs shipped him here for free.

He would be the best player by a mile.

Im sure well be fine with Hinrich and DS though, you know, cause they fit the system.

So we basically ignore the fact that Milsap and Horford both play defense and provide the offense with quality impact as well.

[PandaKidd]

Yeah and there isn't a team in the NBA that would take either over KI

[Hawk Eye]

You guys are just going in circles. Somewhere along the lines did you all miss the fact that this was reported by Stephen A. Smith? Cleveland isn't trading Kyrie Irving.

[LeMasta]

lmao Hawks having Kyrie would be a dream. Hawks could use some RAW talent, as well as someone who can take over late in the 4th because this game against the Warriors reminded how **** we are in close games, as well as like 10 other games.

[PandaKidd]

Scouts, Coaches: Real Disconnect Between LeBron James, Kyrie Irving

The disconnect between LeBron James and Kyrie Irving is real, according to several scouts and coaches.

One scout who saw the Cleveland Cavaliers play recently called the on-court chemistry between James and Irving as “basically nonexistent.”

Team sources insist James and Irving have a solid relationship. James is reportedly attempting to raise the basketball IQ of Irving and nobody is working harder than James on getting the two of them on the same page.

[Jamaaliver]

One scout who saw the Cleveland Cavaliers play recently called the on-court chemistry between James and Irving as “basically nonexistent”...

Team sources [however] insist James and Irving have a solid relationship.

Yeah. This summer could be fun as Harden, Kyrie (and Blake Griffin?) will each likely be shopped at some point. This is where all that young talent we passed on in the drafts comes back to bite us again. We have very little to offer for any of these young, talented players.

Regarding CLE specifically, that franchise has a single goal at this point: winning a title.

KI is a long term piece that doesn't help them at all. I'd dangle Millsap, Thabo, Korver and Teague for a package centered around Kyrie, Shumpert and a couple of contracts in a salary dump.

It'd be a hard pill to swallow...letting all that veteran talent walk away. But it lands a franchise caliber player and positions us to keep Bazemore and Horford.

Tiago/Horford/Bazemore/Kyrie is a solid place to begin building a team.

[King Ken]

Kyrie though? He's not a real PG

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[HMFFL]

Many seemed to ignore the original article and assumed things are fine. The latest indicates otherwise and that Irving will want out this off season.