Bazemore may get 13-15M...DMC level

PandaKidd · Post #21 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 4:59 am

Hawks exploring trade options to open up cap space for Al Horford to return ....

D21 · Post #22 » by **D21** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:01 am

Bazemore will start at a minimum of $15 730 337
it leaves 10M on 26M of Cap space + 2.6M from his erased cap hold
= 12.6M of Cap space

Dwight will start at a minimum of $22 488 038
so two options now :
- trading away 10M of contracts to sign both without renouncing Al
- Bird rights on Al are renounced, so he's gone

atlantabbq99 · Post #23 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:04 am

WOW 70 million! This is a great deal for the Hawks! with the new salary cap, this is equivalent to 10 million per year for the 2014 salary cap. This is a great deal for a 25yr starter!

Post #24 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 5:27 am

Well, I was completely wrong about our game plan, since I said that management had no plans to retain him, because of our first round draft selections.
I can only hope for the best at this point as far as his future and hope that we made the right decision. I must say, Bazemore was loyal to us, so I respect him even more now.

td00 · Post #25 » by **td00** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 11:59 am

Bazemore will now be expected to carry more of the load, but he and DS are in need of a vet to help aside of Korver.
We could still get something for Al if he insists on a Year 5.

Post #26 » by **dms269** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 12:32 pm

This still baffles me. You have a player who was very...average. 11.6 ppg, not a great shooter, his obpm is below average (negative). Yes he is a solid defensive player, but he is not a sf. At his size he is a much better sg and will get abused at sf.

Unless he makes MAJOR strides offensively, he took us for a ride.

PandaKidd · Post #27 » by **PandaKidd** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 1:13 pm

I don't love the bazemore signing but our options were limited. You guys see what Batum got, Evan Turner, etc. So we either sign the devil we know or try to massively overpay for someone like Barnes.

Good thing is bazemore had a ton of interest so he could be flipped later on down the road.

Getting Al back makes me weird, I do not want korver as the starting 2 guard next year. Focusing on bringing back Al is going to make us go through salary cap Olympics .

Post #28 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:16 pm

Yeah, I'm with most of you guys and not loving the Bazemore re-sign. Even at 2017 inflated prices, we could have gotten Joe Johnson + Ish Smith (2 guys we expressed interest in mid-season) for less than Bazemore's salary.

Hell, we could have traded Millsap + Teague and gotten back a 3 & D wing under contract making less than $17 million.

Bazemore's Catch & shoot game will complement D12 very well, but this was an undeniable overpay.

Post #29 » by **dms269** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:37 pm

PandaKidd wrote:I don't love the bazemore signing but our options were limited. You guys see what Batum got, Evan Turner, etc. So we either sign the devil we know or try to massively overpay for someone like Barnes.

Good thing is bazemore had a ton of interest so he could be flipped later on down the road.

Getting Al back makes me weird, I do not want korver as the starting 2 guard next year. Focusing on bringing back Al is going to make us go through salary cap Olympics .

My concern is bringing back bazemore means letting Al walk, which is not a good idea. Even if we aren't going to keep Al for all 5 years, I have to believe he has more value than bazemore with that contract.

I still think we need a starting sf. I don't believe Baze is a starting sf at only 6'5". I think if Al is brought back and Millsap starts at the 3, Bazemore starts at the 2 and Korver comes off the bench.

Post #30 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:53 pm

dms269 wrote:I still think we need a starting sf. I don't believe Baze is a starting sf at only 6'5". I think if Al is brought back and Millsap starts at the 3, Bazemore starts at the 2 and Korver comes off the bench.

Let's hope Taurean Prince is ready to man SF sooner than later.

Does us drafting three wing players AND re-signing Bazemore long-term mean the THJ acquisition is a bust?

MaceCase · Post #31 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:59 pm

It means Thabo and Kyle are soon to be free agents and entering their mid 30s.

Post #32 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:05 pm

I'd have preferred moving Millsap to BOS for Avery Bradley. He's an All Defense Player on an $8 million contract. Perhaps the best 3 & D combo guard in the league.

It'd allow us to re-sign AL and still have money leftover.

They still get an All Star PF on a short, manageable salary.

Post #33 » by **dms269** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:11 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'd have preferred moving Millsap to BOS for Avery Bradley. He's an All Defense Player on an $8 million contract. Perhaps the best 3 & D combo guard in the league.

It'd allow us to re-sign AL and still have money leftover.

They still get an All Star PF on a short, manageable salary.

I would still be uncertain about Baze @ sf.

We are 0-8 in the last two years in the playoffs against LeBron. Building this team and hoping that Bazemore can guard LeBron is a mistake.

Post #34 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:15 pm

dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:I'd have preferred moving Millsap to BOS for Avery Bradley. He's an All Defense Player on an $8 million contract. Perhaps the best 3 & D combo guard in the league.

It'd allow us to re-sign AL and still have money leftover.

They still get an All Star PF on a short, manageable salary.

I would still be uncertain about Baze @ sf.

We are 0-8 in the last two years in the playoffs against LeBron. Building this team and hoping that Bazemore can guard LeBron is a mistake.

OH, no doubt. 100% agree.

I meant Bradley INSTEAD of Bazemore. Perhaps using the extra savings to pursue Joe Johnson.

JJ, Prince, Thabo & Bradley next to Horford and D12 would have been a worthy collection of defenders to upend a 32 year old LeBron.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #35 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 4:05 pm

I think we're going to play Baze at the 2 guard more and have Prince, Bembry, and Thabo hopefully rotate in as starters at SF. After watching more film on the rooks, Prince and Bembry look better than originally expect.

To me, Prince is already a DMC level player, and is a better athlete with more length. He's got a NBA body already. I don't think we passed over better prospects just to have Prince sit on the bench. I think he will be a starter and that will allow Baze to move to the 2. Payne was a different story(although I think that was a wasted pick from the jump). He had 2 AS ahead of him. Prince has an opening at least, and just needs to show something in SL.

td00 · Post #36 » by **td00** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:00 pm

GeauxHawks is seeing what I'm seeing. The rooks are going to have to deal with LeBron, pushing Baze to continue to improve his shooting.

High hopes for the rooks, and it looks like Al is not coming back unless we push out Scott, Splitter & possibly Kyle.

Post #37 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:01 pm

td00 wrote:GeauxHawks is seeing what I'm seeing. The rooks are going to have to deal with LeBron, pushing Baze to continue to improve his shooting.

High hopes for the rooks, and it looks like Al is not coming back unless we push out Scott, Splitter & possibly Kyle.

All we'd need to do to clear room for Al would be trade Splitter and renounce Hinrich's cap hold.

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TKainZero · Post #38 » by **TKainZero** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 6:52 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I predict the Lakers will regret the Mozgov signing halfway through Summer League.

Like: "Oh, Lord...what did we do?!?!?"

Ohhhh...
The lakers already regret the signing...
Halfway thru saying his name...

really REALLY wanted the lakers to sign Baze as the starting SG to slide in between Russell and Ingram. Would have been PERFECT... I wanted it so bad... I wanted it so bad that it was absolutely going to crush me when they didn't sign him...

Yet, to give basically the same money to Mozgov...
I just don't understand... unbelieveable...

Still mad the lakers let Bazemore walk.. now they take Moz over baze... I am personally hurt and offended.

I half expect to see a TIFU by mitch on reddit about mozgov...

Geaux_Hawks · Post #39 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 7:00 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
td00 wrote:GeauxHawks is seeing what I'm seeing. The rooks are going to have to deal with LeBron, pushing Baze to continue to improve his shooting.

High hopes for the rooks, and it looks like Al is not coming back unless we push out Scott, Splitter & possibly Kyle.

All we'd need to do to clear room for Al would be trade Splitter and renounce Hinrich's cap hold.

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What are we left with if we just moved on from Al, renounced Hinrich, cut Scott, and traded Splitter for space?

Post #40 » by **ATL Boy** » Sat Jul 2, 2016 7:03 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
td00 wrote:GeauxHawks is seeing what I'm seeing. The rooks are going to have to deal with LeBron, pushing Baze to continue to improve his shooting.

High hopes for the rooks, and it looks like Al is not coming back unless we push out Scott, Splitter & possibly Kyle.

All we'd need to do to clear room for Al would be trade Splitter and renounce Hinrich's cap hold.

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What are we left with if we just moved on from Al, renounced Hinrich, cut Scott, and traded Splitter for space?

I think around $20-$22 million. I'd ask D21 to clarify if my numbers are on point.

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