Travis Schlenk trying to build Hawks in Warrior’s image (aka 2018 offseason thread)

[tbhawksfan1]

After only a year I'm doubting TS. I'm usually much more patient with newbies, but it seems TS's vision is to jettison everyone until he finds his GS Curry, Thompson, Green.

As I said, this offeason better be full of crafty TS work

[Spud2nique]

Being the south-Pistons and Spurs east worked out so great, I can't wait to see us be the Warriors. In the nick of time too. We were in danger of having an identity on our own.

Schlenk is resting on the fact that he had a small part in getting lucky enough to draft Draymond...should we give him a Medal of Honor? I mean...shouldn’t that be enough to drive him into the hall of fame?

Get over yourself Travis.

[kg01]

Being the south-Pistons and Spurs east worked out so great, I can't wait to see us be the Warriors. In the nick of time too. We were in danger of having an identity on our own.

Schlenk is resting on the fact that he had a small part in getting lucky enough to draft Draymond...should we give him a Medal of Honor? I mean...shouldn’t that be enough to drive him into the hall of fame?

Get over yourself Travis.

Lay off Trav, spudd. They always knew Draymond would be great .. it's why they passed on him in the draft themselves a couple times before taking him. Warriors were playing 8D chess. The rest of us playing go-fish with only half a deck o' cards.

[Spud2nique]

Being the south-Pistons and Spurs east worked out so great, I can't wait to see us be the Warriors. In the nick of time too. We were in danger of having an identity on our own.

Schlenk is resting on the fact that he had a small part in getting lucky enough to draft Draymond...should we give him a Medal of Honor? I mean...shouldn’t that be enough to drive him into the hall of fame?

Get over yourself Travis.

Lay off Trav, spudd. They always knew Draymond would be great .. it's why they passed on him in the draft themselves a couple times before taking him. Warriors were playing 8D chess. The rest of us playing go-fish with only half a deck o' cards.

Didn’t we have Draymond in twice for workouts? We went with Jenkins at 23 I think.

[kg01]

Schlenk is resting on the fact that he had a small part in getting lucky enough to draft Draymond...should we give him a Medal of Honor? I mean...shouldn’t that be enough to drive him into the hall of fame?

Get over yourself Travis.

Lay off Trav, spudd. They always knew Draymond would be great .. it's why they passed on him in the draft themselves a couple times before taking him. Warriors were playing 8D chess. The rest of us playing go-fish with only half a deck o' cards.

Didn’t we have Draymond in twice for workouts? We went with Jenkins at 23 I think.

I don't recall if we did or not. I wonder though. Were we gonna add Curry and Klay to the roster so Draymond could be successful here too?

Lastly, and most importantly, why haven't I ever called him Schlenk-y like the toy?

Back on topic, I hope we try to blaze our own trail and not try to emulate some other place. Each situation is unique and present it's own set of challenges.

[Spud2nique]

Lay off Trav, spudd. They always knew Draymond would be great .. it's why they passed on him in the draft themselves a couple times before taking him. Warriors were playing 8D chess. The rest of us playing go-fish with only half a deck o' cards.

Didn’t we have Draymond in twice for workouts? We went with Jenkins at 23 I think.

I don't recall if we did or not. I wonder though. Were we gonna add Curry and Klay to the roster so Draymond could be successful here too?

Lastly, and most importantly, why haven't I ever called him Schlenk-y like the toy?

Back on topic, I hope we try to blaze our own trail and not try to emulate some other place. Each situation is unique and present it's own set of challenges.

Schlenk-y like the toy huh?




That’s our kg everyone!! Talk about fan growth,he must be in the Bud system! I hope you continue this growth without Bud. Seriously it wouldn’t surprise me if our fans got dumber BBIQ wise of Bud leaves.

Schlenk-y wow...I like it, how bout soldy lox or Schmuck?

[reazun]

After only a year I'm doubting TS. I'm usually much more patient with newbies, but it seems TS's vision is to jettison everyone until he finds his GS Curry, Thompson, Green.

As I said, this offeason better be full of crafty TS work

Isnt that a rebuild though? Get rid of the old, bring in the new? The new has to be a franchise player, with pieces to build around that player..which is basically finding a Curry, Thompson, Green and then other smaller pieces. This has to happen in the draft. No franchise player will ever come to atlanta. We wont get a good draft unless we suck...therefore..what do we do? We have to suck to get better..cmon we are Hawks fans..we can suck for a few more years. Ive been a Hawks fan since 98, its easier if you just lean into it

[tbhawksfan1]

After only a year I'm doubting TS. I'm usually much more patient with newbies, but it seems TS's vision is to jettison everyone until he finds his GS Curry, Thompson, Green.

As I said, this offeason better be full of crafty TS work

Isnt that a rebuild though? Get rid of the old, bring in the new? The new has to be a franchise player, with pieces to build around that player..which is basically finding a Curry, Thompson, Green and then other smaller pieces. This has to happen in the draft. No franchise player will ever come to atlanta. We wont get a good draft unless we suck...therefore..what do we do? We have to suck to get better..cmon we are Hawks fans..we can suck for a few more years. Ive been a Hawks fan since 98, its easier if you just lean into it

Rebuild does not equal making bad moves. All moves need to be good moves

[Jamaaliver]

Atlanta Hawks Key Offseason Decision

Is Mike Budenholzer Staying or Going?

These are no longer the Atlanta Hawks that Mike Budenholzer was hired to coach in 2013. That team was an annual playoff participant aiming to shatter its second-round ceiling. This group is glad to be in the lottery as it stockpiles assets for a potentially lengthy rebuild.

So, it's not super-surprising to see Budenholzer linked to other gigs, even though his contract has two years left for this one. In fact, Atlanta allowed the Arizona native to meet with the Phoenix Suns about its coaching vacancy, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, who added the Hawks and Budenholzer "are both open to ending their partnership."

Budenholzer lost front-office control to Hawks general manager Travis Schlenk last summer. Could an outright exit be next? It seems possible. Schlenk might want his own coach in place, and next year will be a pivotal season in terms of prospect development.

Then again, Budenholzer is a good coach—ESPN ranked him 11th last month—with time and money left on his deal. Atlanta should want him back, as long as he wants to return. The in-season growth of John Collins and Taurean Prince hints at the type of impact Budenholzer could have on the Hawks' next batch of youngsters.

Bleacher Report

[reazun]

After only a year I'm doubting TS. I'm usually much more patient with newbies, but it seems TS's vision is to jettison everyone until he finds his GS Curry, Thompson, Green.

As I said, this offeason better be full of crafty TS work

Isnt that a rebuild though? Get rid of the old, bring in the new? The new has to be a franchise player, with pieces to build around that player..which is basically finding a Curry, Thompson, Green and then other smaller pieces. This has to happen in the draft. No franchise player will ever come to atlanta. We wont get a good draft unless we suck...therefore..what do we do? We have to suck to get better..cmon we are Hawks fans..we can suck for a few more years. Ive been a Hawks fan since 98, its easier if you just lean into it

Rebuild does not equal making bad moves. All moves need to be good moves

and what bad move is this? everything he has done has been to get us younger with more cap space, which is essentially the definition of a rebuild. Are you made that Coach Bud is probably leaving? Its very obvious Coach Bud will hinder a rebuild....why did we beat the Celtics in the last week of the season? I understand Coach Bud WILL win us games, b/c he is an elite coach.., but an elite coach will get us into the playoffs. and elite roster will get us a ring. We cant have an elite roster w/o draft picks. Noone wanted the Hawks to beat those teams late in the season with such a deep draft. Bud wasnt released, he expressed interest of leaving and the GM said okay .

[kg01]

Isnt that a rebuild though? Get rid of the old, bring in the new? The new has to be a franchise player, with pieces to build around that player..which is basically finding a Curry, Thompson, Green and then other smaller pieces. This has to happen in the draft. No franchise player will ever come to atlanta. We wont get a good draft unless we suck...therefore..what do we do? We have to suck to get better..cmon we are Hawks fans..we can suck for a few more years. Ive been a Hawks fan since 98, its easier if you just lean into it

Rebuild does not equal making bad moves. All moves need to be good moves

and what bad move is this? everything he has done has been to get us younger with more cap space, which is essentially the definition of a rebuild. Are you made that Coach Bud is probably leaving? Its very obvious Coach Bud will hinder a rebuild....why did we beat the Celtics in the last week of the season? I understand Coach Bud WILL win us games, b/c he is an elite coach.., but an elite coach will get us into the playoffs. and elite roster will get us a ring. We cant have an elite roster w/o draft picks. Noone wanted the Hawks to beat those teams late in the season with such a deep draft. Bud wasnt released, he expressed interest of leaving and the GM said okay .

I think the 'bad' move is assuming we'll be able to find an elite coach later. I feel like change is good but you don't turn a strength into a weakness.

I've never been overly upset at winning those meaningless games because I don't think having the top pick guarantees you anything. It happens far too often that the best player to come out of a draft isn't the guy selected first so I just don't like the idea of being overly beholden to lottery odds to the extent where the owner should be upset at a few meaningless wins.

[reazun]

Rebuild does not equal making bad moves. All moves need to be good moves

and what bad move is this? everything he has done has been to get us younger with more cap space, which is essentially the definition of a rebuild. Are you made that Coach Bud is probably leaving? Its very obvious Coach Bud will hinder a rebuild....why did we beat the Celtics in the last week of the season? I understand Coach Bud WILL win us games, b/c he is an elite coach.., but an elite coach will get us into the playoffs. and elite roster will get us a ring. We cant have an elite roster w/o draft picks. Noone wanted the Hawks to beat those teams late in the season with such a deep draft. Bud wasnt released, he expressed interest of leaving and the GM said okay .

I think the 'bad' move is assuming we'll be able to find an elite coach later. I feel like change is good but you don't turn a strength into a weakness.

I've never been overly upset at winning those meaningless games because I don't think having the top pick guarantees you anything. It happens far too often that the best player to come out of a draft isn't the guy selected first so I just don't like the idea of being overly beholden to lottery odds to the extent where the owner should be upset at a few meaningless wins.

I agree with everything that you just said, actually. I am also not stressed that we won those few games..I think my main reason to bring that up was moreso that Coach Bud wants to win..now.. and we have to suck now...for a little while. He asked to interview, the Hawks gave him permission to do so. All of a sudden it seems people are assuming that Schlenk is scrambling to rid the Hawks of our coach just so he can bring in his own guy. Bud is unhappy all the evidence suggests thats the emphasis and catalyst of the departure, not Schlenk being unhappy with Bud. If the Hawks cant keep him happy for the next two years, if he is going to be miserable and possibly going to clash heads with the front office..then why not allow him to leave. This rebuild will likely take longer than 2 years right? His contract will still be up after two years and he is gone anyways b/c he seems to want to win now

[reazun]

and what bad move is this? everything he has done has been to get us younger with more cap space, which is essentially the definition of a rebuild. Are you made that Coach Bud is probably leaving? Its very obvious Coach Bud will hinder a rebuild....why did we beat the Celtics in the last week of the season? I understand Coach Bud WILL win us games, b/c he is an elite coach.., but an elite coach will get us into the playoffs. and elite roster will get us a ring. We cant have an elite roster w/o draft picks. Noone wanted the Hawks to beat those teams late in the season with such a deep draft. Bud wasnt released, he expressed interest of leaving and the GM said okay .

I think the 'bad' move is assuming we'll be able to find an elite coach later. I feel like change is good but you don't turn a strength into a weakness.

I've never been overly upset at winning those meaningless games because I don't think having the top pick guarantees you anything. It happens far too often that the best player to come out of a draft isn't the guy selected first so I just don't like the idea of being overly beholden to lottery odds to the extent where the owner should be upset at a few meaningless wins.

I agree with everything that you just said, actually. I am also not stressed that we won those few games..I think my main reason to bring that up was moreso that Coach Bud wants to win..now.. and we have to suck now...for a little while. He asked to interview, the Hawks gave him permission to do so. All of a sudden it seems people are assuming that Schlenk is scrambling to rid the Hawks of our coach just so he can bring in his own guy. Bud is unhappy all the evidence suggests thats the emphasis and catalyst of the departure, not Schlenk being unhappy with Bud. If the Hawks cant keep him happy for the next two years, if he is going to be miserable and possibly going to clash heads with the front office..then why not allow him to leave. This rebuild will likely take longer than 2 years right? His contract will still be up after two years and he is gone anyways b/c he wants to win now

[CP War Hawks]

For all intent and purposes, the record should be tied with Memphis for 2nd place. I don't get playing Prince 40 minutes when he was doubtful with a sprained back. He's obviously an asset going forward and it's no point in jeopardizing him at game 80 or whatever number it was.

I honestly felt like it was his way of sticking it to the Hawks on his way out. He probably doesn't want the growing pains of coaching 6 new rookies and sophs in the next two seasons. The time has come to find a new coach that is good with young talent.

[Jamaaliver]

Fun quote from almost exactly a year ago:

I make the final decision.

If you think Bud makes a final decision on everything that we do, you don’t understand the way the Atlanta Hawks are run. … The president of basketball operations is what I say it is, not what you say it is. (Budenholzer) has the loudest voice, not the final word. There’s a dramatic difference.

April 2017


Oh, Anthony.

[jayu70]

Like I said 'Owners should be seen and not heard'.

[reazun]

Fun quote from almost exactly a year ago:

I make the final decision.

If you think Bud makes a final decision on everything that we do, you don’t understand the way the Atlanta Hawks are run. … The president of basketball operations is what I say it is, not what you say it is. (Budenholzer) has the loudest voice, not the final word. There’s a dramatic difference.

April 2017


Oh, Anthony.

he pretty much said the opposite of Schlenk though...which is good news.

[Jamaaliver]

Fun quote from almost exactly a year ago:

I make the final decision.

If you think Bud makes a final decision on everything that we do, you don’t understand the way the Atlanta Hawks are run. … The president of basketball operations is what I say it is, not what you say it is. (Budenholzer) has the loudest voice, not the final word. There’s a dramatic difference.

April 2017


Oh, Anthony.

he pretty much said the opposite of Schlenk though...which is good news.

YES!!!

I've suspected this comment from last season was just talk. His version of, "The buck stops here."

But it came across as a know-it-all owner massively overstepping boundaries.

The fact he recanted and gave full control to Schlenk 6 weeks later was definitely a relief to hear.

[reazun]

Fun quote from almost exactly a year ago:

April 2017


Oh, Anthony.

he pretty much said the opposite of Schlenk though...which is good news.

YES!!!

I've suspected this comment from last season was just talk. His version of, "The buck stops here."

But it came across as a know-it-all owner massively overstepping boundaries.

The fact he recanted and gave full control to Schlenk 6 weeks later was definitely a relief to hear.

Especially after having to live through all of the ASG drama…I

[kg01]

Like I said 'Owners should be seen and not heard'.

Yep. Like women, right? Seen and not heard.

You know I'm kidding, right? jayu? ... whatchu doin' with that knife, jayu?