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Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 21, 2025 3:56 pm

tsherkin wrote:They need Capela to back in his 2021 form. Healthy, catching lobs, playing good defense, etc. Hell, even 2024 form would be a boost. And they need a real scorer next to Trae, not some trash like Dejounte Murray.



Thoughts on Mark Williams as a Capela replacement?

He's gotta be cheaper than he was 2 months ago after that Lakers debacle...
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#22 » by tsherkin » Mon Apr 21, 2025 4:01 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
tsherkin wrote:They need Capela to back in his 2021 form. Healthy, catching lobs, playing good defense, etc. Hell, even 2024 form would be a boost. And they need a real scorer next to Trae, not some trash like Dejounte Murray.



Thoughts on Mark Williams as a Capela replacement?

He's gotta be cheaper than he was 2 months ago after that Lakers debacle...
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He's okay. I mean, we haven't seen him play 45 games in a season yet, so that's a concern. He was a 15/10 guy on 60.4% shooting this year on 10.2 FGA/g, which was pretty impressive... for 44 games.

He's a gamble. But a 7-footer who can finish, doesn't demand tons of touches, shoots well at the line and all that is certainly the right kind of player that they need as Capela ages out. He's what, 30 now?

Ultimately, they need another perimeter guy to take the pressure off of Trae from a scoring volume perspective, and then yeah, someone LIKE Mark Williams (but healthy) to enable that PnR/Lob City kind of threat.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#23 » by Rebound Mound » Mon Apr 21, 2025 5:21 pm

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jayu70 wrote:Trae has until the day before the regular season starts before he signs his extension, so the draft and offseason moves will/should occur before Trae has to sign.

What the front office does will drive the Trae decsion.



Gotta be honest, if all we do is stand pat and draft more teenagers at #14 and #23...I can't imagine any reason Trae would want to sign an extension here.

It wouldn't be a wrong approach, but just one not in keeping with a multi time All Star entering his prime.


I had not paid attention to this situation in this way until you mentioned it and I completely agree on this.
We need to add size, weight and experience.

The way to improve would be by trading some players together with our picks to get big bodies who can offer post presence and intimidation. Also developing Gueye, Risacher, JJ and OO.

I wonder what would it take to get Kessler out of Utah. Do they want players and picks. We could offer CC in a S&T, our picks and some other player who could be attractive to them. Niang would be like a perfect guy for Utah's system, although I would not mind to keep him around, but that would mean having too many PFs with everyone lacking deeply in some parts of the game (Gueye, Niang, JJ).

We desperately need a C who can block shots, defend big guys, get defensive rebounds...
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#24 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:04 pm

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You may not want to look at Malone's first few years in Sacramento and then Denver.

It took him years to right the ship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Malone


You live, learn, and then execute. Did not Malone do that or what... Malone is younger than Snyder and there can't be an argument between the two, right?



Nuggets fans have been pushing to replace Malone for years.

Unless he's bringing Jokic with him, I don't believe he alone changes this franchise.

And for the record...I do believe Quin Snyder is a better coach.


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Hmmm.... new GM, new coach??
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#25 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:11 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Hmmm.... new GM, new coach??



Probably.

And I suspect we'll sell out just to win 48 games and lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Just like the old days.

Keep in mind this is Ressler's 4th different GM in 11 years.


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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#26 » by jayu70 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm

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CP War Hawks wrote:Hmmm.... new GM, new coach??



Probably.

And I suspect we'll sell out just to win 48 games and lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Just like the old days.

Keep in mind this is Ressler's 4th different GM in 11 years.


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It's giving Ressler another reset to avoid spending.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#27 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:13 pm

jayu70 wrote:It's giving Ressler another reset to avoid spending.



A valid concern.

I honestly can't tell if a new GM will come in with a mandate to win now or the chance to reboot and build from scratch.

Admittedly: We're so close to being a competitive team. But so far from being a real contender.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#28 » by jayu70 » Mon Apr 21, 2025 8:14 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:It's giving Ressler another reset to avoid spending.



A valid concern.

I honestly can't tell if a new GM will come in with a mandate to win now or the chance to reboot and build from scratch.

Admittedly: We're so close to being a competitive team. But so far from being a real contender.

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#29 » by CP War Hawks » Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:30 pm

A deeper dive into Brand if he joins. He knows how to get the players in, not sure about the draft.

2018: Acquired Butler for Bayless, Covington, and Saric.
2019: Acquired Harrs for Wilson Chandler, Muscala, Shamet, two 1sts and two 2nds.
2019: Acquired 1st and 2nd rd picks later to be Maxey for Fultz.
2019: Traded Carsen Edwards and Ty Jerome for Thybulle.
2019: Acquired Josh Richardson for JImmy Butler.
2019: Signed Horford.
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#30 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:29 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
tsherkin wrote:They need Capela to back in his 2021 form. Healthy, catching lobs, playing good defense, etc. Hell, even 2024 form would be a boost. And they need a real scorer next to Trae, not some trash like Dejounte Murray.



Thoughts on Mark Williams as a Capela replacement?

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He's okay. I mean, we haven't seen him play 45 games in a season yet, so that's a concern. He was a 15/10 guy on 60.4% shooting this year on 10.2 FGA/g, which was pretty impressive... for 44 games.

He's a gamble. But a 7-footer who can finish, doesn't demand tons of touches, shoots well at the line and all that is certainly the right kind of player that they need as Capela ages out. He's what, 30 now?

Ultimately, they need another perimeter guy to take the pressure off of Trae from a scoring volume perspective, and then yeah, someone LIKE Mark Williams (but healthy) to enable that PnR/Lob City kind of threat.

Clint is washed and the reports on Williams is he doesn't much time in his prime left with the injuries being serious for his long term
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#31 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 21, 2025 11:36 pm

King Ken wrote:Clint is washed and the reports on Williams is he doesn't much time in his prime left with the injuries being serious for his long term



Mark's also 24 and on a rookie contract.

Would he be worth a 2nd rounder + George Niang's expiring contract?

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#32 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:53 am

King Ken wrote:Trade Trae for Ja Morant


But why?

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#33 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:07 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:Trade Trae for Ja Morant


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Better fit with our current personnel. Same for Trae with Memphis
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#34 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:22 pm

King Ken wrote:Trade Trae for Ja Morant

Better fit with our current personnel. Same for Trae with Memphis



IDK, man. Ja Morant is a worse 3-pt shooter and a worse playmaker than Trae Young.
Pairing Ja with Dyson in the backcourt does not feel like a strong fit for postseason, half court basketball.

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#35 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:01 pm

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#36 » by Rebound Mound » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:48 pm

I have no idea about Field's welldoing or wrongdoing. I want to think that, whenever an owner or a group of owners or a family or owners takes a decision to fire someone and look for a replacement, it is because they believe that they need to improve the way his/their franchise is run from a basketball standpoint.

With that said, promoting the next in the list seems like a cheap move rather than a desire to improve.

One thing that nobody has talked about here is the other decision of handing part of the managing tasks of the team to a company with expertise in these kind of situations. Sportsology Group has been hired to carry out the process of finding a new President of Basketball Operations (I do not eve know the name of the departing one, unless Schlenk was considered like the de facto president).

Well, I just hope all this is for good, as we have important decisions ahead and a new GM should not be the one to carry that load of responsibility, even when working with a president of BO and the owners and his team of assistants.

I guess key decisions are:
- whether or not to keep Snyder (YES imo).
- offer Trae a new max contract (YES imo ---> games and championshinps are won with talent and discipline)
- decide on the two/three key additions and substractions so the roster looks better, more balanced...
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#37 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:34 pm

Rebound Mound wrote:With that said, promoting the next in the list seems like a cheap move rather than a desire to improve.



I've heard speculation that Saleh was a high dollar exec hired specifically to be the adult in the room for negotiations...and ultimately take the role of GM when the time was right.

He does feel like a more established, traditional candidate than either of Landry or Korver.

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#38 » by jayu70 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:40 pm

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Rebound Mound wrote:With that said, promoting the next in the list seems like a cheap move rather than a desire to improve.



I've heard speculation that Saleh was a high dollar exec hired specifically to be the adult in the room for negotiations...and ultimately take the role of GM when the time was right.

He does feel like a more established, traditional candidate than either of Landry or Korver.

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The adult in the room? Landry is 35, Saleh 37 - :lol:
I'm guessing Saleh has more years of experience?
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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#39 » by dms269 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 11:47 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
King Ken wrote:Trade Trae for Ja Morant

Better fit with our current personnel. Same for Trae with Memphis



IDK, man. Ja Morant is a worse 3-pt shooter and a worse playmaker than Trae Young.
Pairing Ja with Dyson in the backcourt does not feel like a strong fit for postseason, half court basketball.

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Ja in Atlanta will end like Buckhead January 31, 2000 without the entourage taking the fall for the athlete.

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Re: Hawks 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#40 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:11 am

jayu70 wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:The first and most important decision is Trae. Extend at what price or trade. Either way I think that they will remain on the development path with this young team.
Snyder isn't going anywhere. Owner, FO and coaching are all in on the plan to develop a young team with potential
Got to replace CC / LNJr and revamp the front court

Trae has until the day before the regular season starts before he signs his extension, so the draft and offseason moves will/should occur before Trae has to sign. What the front office does will drive the Trae decsion.


They can negociate the deal at any time and then announce it on the eligable date. Trae says he wants to stay so if they can nail down the numbers that work for both parties then they can make the other decisions knowing whether or not they have Trae going forward.

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