Hollinger's East All-Stars

JoshB914 · Post #21 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:07 am

Yes but just because he can't be a #1 option offensively doesn't mean he can't be a better player. Offense doesn't tell the whole story. So I don't see what your point is.

High 5 · Post #22 » by **High 5** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:10 am

JoshB914 wrote:Yes but just because he can't be a #1 option offensively doesn't mean he can't be a better player. Offense doesn't tell the whole story. So I don't see what your point is.

The bolded part was my point, pretty much word for word. Just forget it. I just thought it was funny how you changed teams when not long a go you were on the other side.

conleyorbust · Post #23 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:13 am

High 5 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

:rofl:

The bolded part was my point, pretty much word for word. Just forget it. I just thought it was funny how you changed teams when not long a go you were on the other side.

JoshB has always been a pretty strong supporter of Josh if I recall correctly. You may be thinking of someone else.

JoshB914 · Post #24 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:51 am

I don't understand what you're saying High 5. I have always defended Smoove (please look at other threads) and feel he is going to be a true star. I don't believe he is a #1 option right now but I still think he is our best overall player at the time.

Maybe I changed my mind to saying that Smoove was our best player but who hasn't? Has anyone honestly thought this all along? He recently surpassed JJ as our best player in my mind (and many others) because he GOT BETTER. So of course I changed my tune, EVERYONE DID.

JoshB914 · Post #25 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:51 am

I don't understand what you're saying High 5. I have always defended Smoove (please look at other threads) and feel he is going to be a true star. I don't believe he is a #1 option right now but I still think he is our best overall player at the time.

Maybe I changed my mind to saying that Smoove was our best player but who hasn't? Has anyone honestly thought this all along? He recently surpassed JJ as our best player in my mind (and many others) because he GOT BETTER. So of course I changed my tune, EVERYONE DID.

You either have me mixed up with someone else or jsut don't understand my point. Just because I argued that Smoove was not a #1 option doesn't mean he can't be our best player.

evildallas · Post #26 » by **evildallas** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:23 am

It is my suspicion that Josh Smith earns the spot of player left out that the talking heads can say is having a great year and point at his stats and say if only he wasn't playing in the anonymity of Atlanta he may have gotten noticed. It's not uncommon to be overlooked the first year you have the numbers to merit being an all-star.

I am just looking forward to finally having someone in the rookie game after so many lottery picks.

JoshB914 · Post #27 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:38 am

Smoove's offensive start also hurts his AS chances like Tontoz said. A lot of the people that didn't see him just see 43% FG when in reality he has been in the upper 40's after the atrocious start.

High 5 · Post #28 » by **High 5** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:16 am

JoshB914 wrote:I don't understand what you're saying High 5. I have always defended Smoove (please look at other threads) and feel he is going to be a true star. I don't believe he is a #1 option right now but I still think he is our best overall player at the time.

Maybe I changed my mind to saying that Smoove was our best player but who hasn't? Has anyone honestly thought this all along? He recently surpassed JJ as our best player in my mind (and many others) because he GOT BETTER. So of course I changed my tune, EVERYONE DID.

You either have me mixed up with someone else or jsut don't understand my point. Just because I argued that Smoove was not a #1 option doesn't mean he can't be our best player.

You made a simple comment into something confusing and difficult. Nevermind, man. Just forget it.

Back on topic, Josh Smith doesn't deserve to be in the All Star game just yet. He needs to mature mentally. While shooting better, he still struggles with shot selection and turnovers. If he could play like he did in the NJ game and the MIL game every night (shot selection wise, still terrible with turnovers) then he'd be an easy pick.

JoshB914 · Post #29 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:21 am

If you look at Smoove over the last 17-20 games he is clearly an all star. But his terrible start shooting the ball has basically sealed his fate.

tontoz · Post #30 » by **tontoz** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:24 am

he has been in the upper 40's after the atrocious start.

More important that the results (IMO) is the way he is achieving them.

Time and again i have said Smith needs to just attack the rim like Amare does. That doesn't just mean taking it to the basket. It means continue to attack even after you get cut off.

So many times Smith would throw up wild, out of control shots when he got in the lane and the defender got in the way. Here recently he isn't doing that. If his drive gets cut off he doesn't give up. He stops, keeping his pivot foot. Then he tries to pivot around the defender and get to the rim.

How is a single defender going to stop Smith when he is within 5 feet of the rim, under control and going up strong? It is very tough because first of all Smith knows where he is going and the defender has to react to him which gives Smith the advantage. Secondly Smith has a 40" vertical and is strong enough to take contact and still finish.

The only real answer, assuming he keeps it up, is to double him.

High 5 · Post #31 » by **High 5** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:28 am

Another month of conistently smart play should make him a deserving All Star, but it's hard to pick him over his competition going on the first 31 games. Or even the last however many games you guys want to pick out.

ATLfan · Post #32 » by **ATLfan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:39 am

Does anyone know when the rosters will be announced?

Joe Kleazy · Post #33 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:04 pm

Josh Smith at such a young age is doing exactly what he is supposed to do, which is get better. This fact should not have anything against JJ seing as though Johnson is a little older. I dont see why some of you guys feel the need to argue about who is better when you should be happy that somone is finally joining JJ is getting things done on the court.

JJ is having a bad season so far COOL. This guy is also coming off a injury last year and MAYBE his slow start is allowing your younger players to step up in his absence. Pitting the two against each other should not be important at all. Joe will regain his game and with Josh continuing to play well, it should lead to more success for your TEAM.

While some of you are bashing Joe you need to remember that he came there to help your team become better, regardless of the fact that he got his payday also which he accepted from your management.

Be happy some of the younger fellas are progressing and hope for your leader to get out of his slump instead of bashing and worrying if one is better than the other. Its obvious that until BOTH (and maybe even Marvin included) are playing healthy and their best ball that your team will truley benefit.

At this point allstar games should be the last thing of importance to any hawk fan, regardless of who off the team is up for a possible selection. Making the postseason and playing consistant good ball should top EVERYTHING ELSE. Some fans need to get their priorities straight.

conleyorbust · Post #34 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:23 pm

Joe Kleazy, relax for a minute. No one is bashing Joe. To say that Josh Smith has been our best player this year in reference to his all-star candidacy isn't bashing Joe. To say that Joe's game has been off this season isn't bashing Joe. We all want Joe to play as well as he can, believe me.

As far as Smith's candidacy goes, I think its a lot like Calderon's. When you look at the results they are both worthy but chances are a more experienced player will beat them out.

Joe Kleazy · Post #35 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:35 pm

Its hard to distinguish between the way some of these comments are coming across. Joe has been solid up until this point, so coming off a injury the man should be given a little slack. The more players that progress the better for the team. Allstar games shouldnt be the priority of the season for this club anyway. Consistent play should be the focus.

Excuse me if I sounded heated, I just tend to let some of the ignorance of REAL GM get to me ( not this board in particular). Some people terribly overrate youth over all else but claim they want winning teams. Add that to the fact everyone wants to suggest unrealistic trade scenerios and you have me shaking my head continuoulsy.

conleyorbust · Post #36 » by **conleyorbust** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:49 pm

Joe Kleazy wrote:Its hard to distinguish between the way some of these comments are coming across. Joe has been solid up until this point, so coming off a injury the man should be given a little slack. The more players that progress the better for the team. Allstar games shouldnt be the priority of the season for this club anyway. Consistent play should be the focus.

Excuse me if I sounded heated, I just tend to let some of the ignorance of REAL GM get to me ( not this board in particular). Some people terribly overrate youth over all else but claim they want winning teams. Add that to the fact everyone wants to suggest unrealistic trade scenerios and you have me shaking my head continuoulsy.

Good points. Don't let a message board, particularly one about basketball, piss you off though. Should be a place to talk about stuff that doesn't matter.

Joe Kleazy · Post #37 » by **Joe Kleazy** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:54 pm

TRUE, by the way just noticed you started the thread and my post wasn't responding to anything that you wrote.

JoshB914 · Post #38 » by **JoshB914** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:44 pm

Joe Kleazy wrote:Its hard to distinguish between the way some of these comments are coming across. Joe has been solid up until this point, so coming off a injury the man should be given a little slack. The more players that progress the better for the team. Allstar games shouldnt be the priority of the season for this club anyway. Consistent play should be the focus.

Excuse me if I sounded heated, I just tend to let some of the ignorance of REAL GM get to me ( not this board in particular). Some people terribly overrate youth over all else but claim they want winning teams. Add that to the fact everyone wants to suggest unrealistic trade scenerios and you have me shaking my head continuoulsy.

JJ has been anything but solid. His defense has been way sub par this season. He also is not off to a "bad start." Again, 30 games of 40-41% shooting is not just a tough stretch. We are nearing the halfway point of the season and this guy has a % like Antoine Walker.

The fact that Smoove and Marvin have stepped up makes JJ's struggles even more puzzling. Finally he has guys to take the heat off of him and he still can't get it done. He has had a lot more open shots this season and he's been missing.

JJ is supposedly our franchise player. I will definetely rip him when he's playing some of the worst ball of his career. The team expects more from him, especially after the comments he made before the season about needing help. Well he's gotten it, maybe it's time he made use of it.

AU hawksfan · Post #39 » by **AU hawksfan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:36 pm

Excuse me if I sounded heated, I just tend to let some of the ignorance of REAL GM get to me ( not this board in particular). Some people terribly overrate youth over all else but claim they want winning teams. Add that to the fact everyone wants to suggest unrealistic trade scenerios and you have me shaking my head continuoulsy.

Good points, and in a nutshell thats what it takes to be a GM in the NBA. You have to weigh winning now with growth of young players. I know what you mean though, a lot of people think they can have the best of both worlds and it almost never works that way.

Rip2137 · Post #40 » by **Rip2137** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:38 pm

His mechanics are just very wrong right now with his shot. And I do have to question his psyche. But as an aside, I think that Woody also has to adjust and stop making him the focal point of the offense. A guy that is shooting 40% for the year should be getting 16-20 shots per game. simple as that.