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What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae?

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Post#201 » by macd-gm » Fri Jan 4, 2019 6:43 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I definitely fall into the former camp.

Find the open space within your shooting range and load up from there. Whether it's 15 feet or 25 feet.

Modern shot profile be damned when we're a bottom 5 offense 3 years in a row...

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The Spurs rank dead last in the league in three-pointers taken per game, but tops the list in three-point percentage at nearly 40 percent. San Antonio also leads the league in mid-range shots taken per game, which is basically one of the seven deadly sins in today’s basketball
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From a watchability stand point i agree with you. From a success stand point i don't know. Taking this approach only works if you can effectively defend the 3 point line or the other team is cold from 3.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#202 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 4, 2019 6:48 pm

macd-gm wrote:From a watchability stand point i agree with you. From a success stand point i don't know. Taking this approach only works if you can effectively defend the 3 point line or the other team is cold from 3.



Perhaps. I mean Spurs have a top-5 offense without over indulging in 3pt attempts. But are still only 7th place in the West today.

Their sub par defense probably has something to do with it...but if they're loading up on smart 2s instead of ill-advised 3s -- more power to them.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

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Glad to see not just Trae getting singled out. It's a turnover prone offense though. If we find players skilled enough to run this offense at this pace though then we've really got something.
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Post#206 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:47 am

I'd be interested in our W/L record in regards to these splits:

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Post#208 » by jayu70 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:28 am

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Pierce marked Jan. 14 as the day turnovers became a point of emphasis to better the team’s offensive efficiency.

“We are going to pay a lot of attention to that area,” Pierce said.
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Post#210 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:59 pm

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The Atlanta Hawks have a turnover problem and it’s not going away

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Anybody who has watched the Atlanta Hawks this season knows that their biggest offensive problem has been turnovers. They’ve played exactly one game in which they committed single-digit turnovers, and they’ve played 16 games with at least 20 turnovers, more than twice as many as the next worst team.

The turnover problem for the Hawks isn’t just bad. It’s not just the worst in the league. We’re witnessing historically poor ball security from these Hawks. Of the 450 team seasons in the last 15 years, Atlanta’s 18.3 percent turnover rate is fourth-worst, passed only by the 2014-15 Philadelphia 76ers (18.4 percent), 2006-07 Orlando Magic (18.8 percent), and the 2005-06 New York Knicks (19.0 percent).

The Hawks aren’t just historically bad in a vacuum, they’re even worse when compared to average this season, as turnovers are the second-lowest they’ve been since 2004.

The Hawks have one of the best shot profiles in the league, with 42 percent of their shots coming at the rim (the second-most in the league), and another 10 percent coming from the corners (third-most). They take the third-fewest mid-range shots, trailing only Milwaukee and Houston in that particular statistic. However, attempting these higher-efficiency shots has come at the cost of an increased turnover rate, as teams are more locked in on stopping those specific shots from occurring at all. This doesn’t entirely explain their historically bad turnover rate, but it at least gives a backdrop as to how hunting those shots does have a negative effect on a team’s turnover rate.

Combine a specific mandate from the coaching staff to shoot almost nothing but threes and layups and a team full of inexperienced ball handlers and you have a recipe for turnover disaster. Atlanta’s turnover problem is massive and is holding them back from making the next step (even amid improved overall play) in terms of offensive output, but there’s a method to Pierce’s madness.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#211 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:28 pm

The sample size is growing. Hawks are playing solid ball under Pierce in year 1.

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Expectations will be much higher in year 2.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#212 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:09 pm

Atlanta’s shot profile

The Hawks almost exclusively take shots in the paint and beyond the arc. Their 5.2% midrange shot attempt percentage ranks third in the NBA behind the Rockets and Bucks, while 38.7% of their shots come from beyond the arc, seventh in the league. Kevin Huerter, Dewayne Dedmon, Vince Carter, John Collins, and Taurean Prince are all shooting 36.0% from deep or better this season, and Trae Young is making 35.6% of his triples in his last 15 games. Atlanta can get hot at any moment, and their league-best 104.98 pace gives them more possessions per game than any other team in the NBA.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#213 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 8, 2019 7:10 pm

This is extremely encouraging. And a large enough sample size that it no longer feels like an aberration:

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#214 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:37 pm

Hawks Getting What They Envisioned with Three-Point Barrage

After drafting Trae Young and Kevin Huerter, the Hawks apparently pictured themselves as the Warriors of the East.

Things hadn't been quite as smooth for most of the year, with the three-point shooting especially disappointing as Young struggled with his consistency from deep. The team entered the day ranked just 23rd in the league at 34.6 percent from beyond the arc.

However, the Hawks have been turning it around in recent games.

Atlanta had made at least 13 three-pointers at more than a 40 percent rate in each of the past five games. That carried over into Tuesday, with the team tying a franchise record with 10 deep balls in the first quarter:

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The squad slowed down after that but still finished 16-of-42 from three-point range. This is exactly what Atlanta was built for.

Meanwhile, the key young players are more than living up to expectations with their recent play.

Young made a major impact against the Lakers with 22 points and 14 assists, while Collins remains a matchup nightmare.
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Post#215 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:33 am

That's a quality coaching adjustment. :thumbsup:

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In a team session late in November, Lloyd Pierce unleashed the hounds.

"We need to pick it up," Pierce told his team.

At that point in the season, the Hawks had done little on the offensive glass relative to other NBA teams. With an offensive rebounding percentage hovering around 24 percent, the Hawks ranked 27th among the 30 NBA teams at that moment.

"He said that we need to put up more of a fight," center Alex Len said. "Before that (meeting), our focus was on getting back and setting up our defense."

While setting up the defense is still a priority for the perimeter players, the interior players have been freed to take their shots at hunting offensive rebounds. It also helped that their best offensive rebounder from the previous season, John Collins, got healthy and rejoined the starting lineup around the same time.
What has happened since then is nothing short of a revelation. Collins has averaged 3.5 offensive rebounds per game, a top-10 mark in the NBA.

The result? The Hawks have been the top offensive rebounding team in the league since Dec. 1, rebounding 32 percent of their own misses.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#216 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:05 pm

One result of all these three point attempts not accounted for by analytics, our many missed three pointers tend to lead to easy fast break opportunities for the opposing team.

We're relying too much on threes, particularly deep threes and contested threes.

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And now even when we make a fair number of them, it's not enough to blow out the opposition as they feast on easy two points shots on the other end.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#217 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:29 pm

As promising as Trae Young has looked, power forward John Collins might be the biggest revelation for the Hawks this season. Collins' 3-point accuracy is inching toward 37 percent, and his true shooting percentage now tops 63 percent. Next item on the agenda for Collins: refining the pick-and-roll routine with Young. They are the eighth-most-used combo in the league but the least efficient among the top 10 -- though that's still respectable and something that is certain to improve with time. -- Arnovitz
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#218 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:07 pm

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#219 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:20 pm

One thing I'd like to see more of moving forward: Huerter coming off screens for more catch and shoot opportunities.

A la Klay.

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